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Originally posted by Blaine91555
like others, I'm torn on this one.
I'm not sure the taking of DNA is really a problem, as much as how the information is kept, who has access and how it's used.
If it's used as a way to identify criminals, that's OK in my mind. If it's accessible for any other reason I have an issue with that.
I think overall I'm OK with this, but Congress needs to take note and pass legislation controlling how it's used and by whom.
Originally posted by onthedownlow
reply to post by Demoncreeper
Honestly, this does not seem like an unreasonable search or seizure, they're not swabbing everyone (just those that have already been seized). The Fourth Amendment does not give anyone the right to commit a crime, it is there to protect the innocent from an abuse of power. DNA swabs will go a lot further towards protecting rights by eliminating unnecessary seizures on RS- this is a vast improvement of Fourth Amendment protections, at least the way I see it, and it is not adding an unnecessary intrusion to accomplish it. Looks like a win for the good guys!
Felony convictions for certain offenses to have biological samples collected, when--use of sample--highway patrol and department of corrections, duty--DNA records and biological materials to be closed record, disclosure, when--expungement of record, when.
650.055. 1. Every individual who:
(1) Is found guilty of a felony or any offense under chapter 566; or
(2) Is seventeen years of age or older and arrested for burglary in the first degree under section 569.160, or burglary in the second degree under section 569.170, or a felony offense under chapter 565, 566, 567, 568, or 573; or
(3) Has been determined to be a sexually violent predator pursuant to sections 632.480 to 632.513; or
(4) Is an individual required to register as a sexual offender under sections 589.400 to 589.425;
shall have a fingerprint and blood or scientifically accepted biological sample collected for purposes of DNA profiling analysis.
2. Any individual subject to DNA collection and profiling analysis under this section shall provide a DNA sample:
(1) Upon booking at a county jail or detention facility; or
(2) Upon entering or before release from the department of corrections reception and diagnostic centers; or
(3) Upon entering or before release from a county jail or detention facility, state correctional facility, or any other detention facility or institution, whether operated by a private, local, or state agency, or any mental health facility if committed as a sexually violent predator pursuant to sections 632.480 to 632.513; or
(4) When the state accepts a person from another state under any interstate compact, or under any other reciprocal agreement with any county, state, or federal agency, or any other provision of law, whether or not the person is confined or released, the acceptance is conditional on the person providing a DNA sample if the person was found guilty of a felony offense in any other jurisdiction; or
(5) If such individual is under the jurisdiction of the department of corrections. Such jurisdiction includes persons currently incarcerated, persons on probation, as defined in section 217.650, and on parole, as also defined in section 217.650; or
(6) At the time of registering as a sex offender under sections 589.400 to 589.425.
3. The Missouri state highway patrol and department of corrections shall be responsible for ensuring adherence to the law. Any person required to provide a DNA sample pursuant to this section shall be required to provide such sample, without the right of refusal, at a collection site designated by the Missouri state highway patrol and the department of corrections. Authorized personnel collecting or assisting in the collection of samples shall not be liable in any civil or criminal action when the act is performed in a reasonable manner. Such force may be used as necessary to the effectual carrying out and application of such processes and operations. The enforcement of these provisions by the authorities in charge of state correctional institutions and others having custody or jurisdiction over individuals included in subsection 1 of this section which shall not be set aside or reversed is hereby made mandatory. The board of probation or parole shall recommend that an individual on probation or parole who refuses to provide a DNA sample have his or her probation or parole revoked. In the event that a person's DNA sample is not adequate for any reason, the person shall provide another sample for analysis.
4. The procedure and rules for the collection, analysis, storage, expungement, use of DNA database records and privacy concerns shall not conflict with procedures and rules applicable to the Missouri DNA profiling system and the Federal Bureau of Investigation's DNA databank system.
5. Unauthorized use or dissemination of individually identifiable DNA information in a database for purposes other than criminal justice or law enforcement is a class A misdemeanor.
6. Implementation of sections 650.050 to 650.100 shall be subject to future appropriations to keep Missouri's DNA system compatible with the Federal Bureau of Investigation's DNA databank system.
7. All DNA records and biological materials retained in the DNA profiling system are considered closed records pursuant to chapter 610. All records containing any information held or maintained by any person or by any agency, department, or political subdivision of the state concerning an individual's DNA profile shall be strictly confidential and shall not be disclosed, except to:
(1) Peace officers, as defined in section 590.010, and other employees of law enforcement agencies who need to obtain such records to perform their public duties;
(2) The attorney general or any assistant attorneys general acting on his or her behalf, as defined in chapter 27;
(3) Prosecuting attorneys or circuit attorneys as defined in chapter 56, and their employees who need to obtain such records to perform their public duties;
(4) The individual whose DNA sample has been collected, or his or her attorney; or
(5) Associate circuit judges, circuit judges, judges of the courts of appeals, supreme court judges, and their employees who need to obtain such records to perform their public duties.
8. Any person who obtains records pursuant to the provisions of this section shall use such records only for investigative and prosecutorial purposes, including but not limited to use at any criminal trial, hearing, or proceeding; or for law enforcement identification purposes, including identification of human remains. Such records shall be considered strictly confidential and shall only be released as authorized by this section.
9. An individual may request expungement of his or her DNA sample and DNA profile through the court issuing the reversal or dismissal. A certified copy of the court order establishing that such conviction has been reversed or guilty plea has been set aside shall be sent to the Missouri state highway patrol crime laboratory. Upon receipt of the court order, the laboratory will determine that the requesting individual has no other qualifying offense as a result of any separate plea or conviction and no other qualifying arrest prior to expungement.
(1) A person whose DNA record or DNA profile has been included in the state DNA database in accordance with this section and sections 650.050, 650.052, and 650.100 may request expungement on the grounds that the conviction has been reversed, or the guilty plea on which the authority for including that person's DNA record or DNA profile was based has been set aside.
(2) Upon receipt of a written request for expungement, a certified copy of the final court order reversing the conviction or setting aside the plea and any other information necessary to ascertain the validity of the request, the Missouri state highway patrol crime laboratory shall expunge all DNA records and identifiable information in the state DNA database pertaining to the person and destroy the DNA sample of the person, unless the Missouri state highway patrol determines that the person is otherwise obligated to submit a DNA sample. Within thirty days after the receipt of the court order, the Missouri state highway patrol shall notify the individual that it has expunged his or her DNA sample and DNA profile, or the basis for its determination that the person is otherwise obligated to submit a DNA sample.
(3) The Missouri state highway patrol is not required to destroy any item of physical evidence obtained from a DNA sample if evidence relating to another person would thereby be destroyed.
(4) Any identification, warrant, arrest, or evidentiary use of a DNA match derived from the database shall not be excluded or suppressed from evidence, nor shall any conviction be invalidated or reversed or plea set aside due to the failure to expunge or a delay in expunging DNA records.
10. When a DNA sample is taken from an individual pursuant to subdivision (2) of subsection 1 of this section and the prosecutor declines prosecution and notifies the arresting agency of that decision, the arresting agency shall notify the Missouri state highway patrol crime laboratory within ninety days of receiving such notification. Within thirty days of being notified by the arresting agency that the prosecutor has declined prosecution, the Missouri state highway patrol crime laboratory shall determine whether the individual has any other qualifying offenses or arrests that would require a DNA sample to be taken and retained. If the individual has no other qualifying offenses or arrests, the crime laboratory shall expunge all DNA records in the database taken at the arrest for which the prosecution was declined pertaining to the person and destroy the DNA sample of such person.
11. When a DNA sample is taken of an arrestee for any offense listed under subsection 1 of this section and charges are filed:
(1) If the charges are later withdrawn, the prosecutor shall notify the state highway patrol crime laboratory that such charges have been withdrawn;
(2) If the case is dismissed, the court shall notify the state highway patrol crime laboratory of such dismissal;
(3) If the court finds at the preliminary hearing that there is no probable cause that the defendant committed the offense, the court shall notify the state highway patrol crime laboratory of such finding;
(4) If the defendant is found not guilty, the court shall notify the state highway patrol crime laboratory of such verdict.
If the state highway patrol crime laboratory receives notice under this subsection, such crime laboratory shall determine, within thirty days, whether the individual has any other qualifying offenses or arrests that would require a DNA sample to be taken. If the individual has no other qualifying arrests or offenses, the crime laboratory shall expunge all DNA records in the database pertaining to such person and destroy the person's DNA sample.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by BrianFlanders
The ignorance and blind hatred of the cop haters on this site is astounding.
How about you people fix your rectal-cranial inversion and actually place the outrage where it belongs -
On the United States Supreme Court
NOT Law Enofrcement.
Originally posted by newcovenant
Liberals are interested in protecting people's liberty and privacy.
Originally posted by Miracula
I wouldn't care if they swabbed me.
It's only going to be used if you eventually commit a serious felony or violent crime like rape or murder.
This info if only used for identifying possible serious felons who have committed a serious crime against another person is good. It will help get unsolved crimes solved and dangerous people off the streets.
As long as they make a rule that the information collected can only be used to prosecute serious felonies of the highest class and violent crimes, who cares what information the gov't collects as long as it promotes public safety.
If they use the info for anything other than public safety of identifying serious felons, let me know, I will march on Washington DC. Until then, they collected fingerprints when I joined to serve the Coast Guard. Not a major problem for me. Why, because I don't go around committing violent crimes. No one has ever used my fingerprints to punish me for my various speeding tickets.edit on 4-6-2013 by Miracula because: (no reason given)edit on 4-6-2013 by Miracula because: (no reason given)edit on 4-6-2013 by Miracula because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by WTFover
reply to post by BrianFlanders
And I cringe every time I hear the Ancestry.com advertisement urging People to submit DNA specimens for genealogical purposes.
Originally posted by onthedownlow
reply to post by Demoncreeper
Honestly, this does not seem like an unreasonable search or seizure, they're not swabbing everyone (just those that have already been seized). The Fourth Amendment does not give anyone the right to commit a crime, it is there to protect the innocent from an abuse of power. DNA swabs will go a lot further towards protecting rights by eliminating unnecessary seizures on RS- this is a vast improvement of Fourth Amendment protections, at least the way I see it, and it is not adding an unnecessary intrusion to accomplish it. Looks like a win for the good guys!
Originally posted by WTFover
reply to post by BrianFlanders
And I cringe every time I hear the Ancestry.com advertisement urging People to submit DNA specimens for genealogical purposes.
Originally posted by UsedUp
Having served in the military my DNA is already on file somewhere I have no real idea where or how they keep it or for how long but I can almost guarantee that they allow Law Enforcement Agencies to search it regularly.