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posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 09:24 AM
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Secret court jails father for sending son 21st birthday greeting on Facebook after he was gagged from naming him


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A father has been jailed at a secret court hearing for sending a Facebook message to his grown-up son on his 21st birthday.

Garry Johnson, 46, breached a draconian gagging order which stops him publicly naming his son, Sam, whom he has brought up and who still lives with him.


In a case which is certain to fuel concerns about Britain’s shadowy network of secret courts, a judge sent the former music executive to prison for contempt at a closed-doors family court hearing in Essex at the beginning of last month.

He was not arrested by police or even represented by a lawyer.

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posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 09:24 AM
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Unbelievable, what has happened to the Justice system in the U.K? How are we allowing secret courts to exist?

My fear is, these courts will be used more and more for such trivial offences. No arrest, just an invitation to the magistartes court to discuss the care order that was put in place as part of a divorce proceeding.

To suddenly be marched off by court security to come face to face with a judge and advised that he breached the gagging order which was part of the care order. All this without prior warning and suddenly be told that as a consequence he will now be going to jail for 28 days.

This is a guy who was waiting a triple heart by-pass and as a result of being put through this ordeal had another heart attack whilst in the court's holding cell.

To be then taken to hospital and hadcuffed to the hospital bed, well it just beggars belief.

If this is the future of justice in the U.K, then it is seriously time to think about leaving. People need to wake up and lobby their local M.P's to remove these secret courts.



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posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 09:34 AM
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Secret Court ? No Arrest? No Lawyer?

Hummm ... ..

I guess things are a Little different in the UK. I always thought the Brits were more civil than that.

When did the "Secret Court" come about? I had never heard of it before.

If this is Any sign of things to come I suspect the Summary Executions will soon be implemented.


EDIT:

I am curious to know.. . Does the UK have anything similar to the Patriot Act?

If so, it might be in the language that makes this possible.
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posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 09:35 AM
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Its probably easier if the establishment has Brits focusing on other perceived threats, like Moslems, rather than on the government, which actually has the power to strip them of their rights and liberties.

The government has confiscated the people's right to bear arms. Apparently there is one camera per every 32 Brits. In another thread, it was said that the average Brit pays 75% in taxes. And now we learn of secret courts...

But you guys should worry about those Moslems...

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posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 09:38 AM
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Unfortunately the U.K has taken a step back to the middle ages with the decision to implement these secret courts.

There has been discussion in the MSM, but now we are seeing the results of these courts being introduced, hopefully this will raise awareness amongst the general public. This decision needs to be reversed and reversed quickly.



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
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Unfortunately the U.K has taken a step back to the middle ages with the decision to implement these secret courts.


Who made this Decision? and was it Public Knowledge beforehand?



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 09:44 AM
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This is a closed court, not a 'secret court.' Closed hearings are nothing new.

The gag order is the result of an acrimonious divorce with the father's ex-wife, who sounds like a complete nutter to me.

Yes, it's ludicrous. Utterly stupid. It shouldn't be happening. But he broke the law, which is why he's now in jail:


A spokesman said of the courts: ‘It is very rare for anyone to be imprisoned for contempt of court and it only ever happens in extreme circumstances when a person has continually disregarded legally binding requirements made by the court and clearly communicated to them.


So I guess the lesson here is: if you break the law, and persist in doing so, you will go to jail. Right or wrong, that's the outcome.


Originally posted by ShadellacZumbrum
Who made this Decision?


A judge. Read the article.


and was it Public Knowledge beforehand?


Was what public knowledge before hand? The gag order, or the fact that contempt of court can result in jail time?

Family court hearings are often closed, due to the sensitivity of the details and the desire of all parties for privacy. Nobody wants their personal problems dragged through the tabloids.
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posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by ShadellacZumbrum

Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
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Unfortunately the U.K has taken a step back to the middle ages with the decision to implement these secret courts.


Who made this Decision? and was it Public Knowledge beforehand?


The Government made this decision, yes it has been in the public domain, but not discussed to any great extent. There have been a number of newspapers that have warned about the dangers of secret courts, but still the Government pushed on with their agenda.



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 09:50 AM
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As a U.K. citizen, you should rest well tonight taking comfort in knowing the judicial system has removed such a dangerous criminal from the streets. And only the power of a secret court could ensure he would not congratulate his son ever again. Nevermind the rapes, drug deals, murders and muggings...what this man did is the real threat to society and worth every resource spent to apprehend him.


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posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 09:58 AM
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You can dress it up however you wish to, the crux of the matter is this gentleman was not even warned that he would be facing a hearing regarding the breach of the gagging order. These charges were brought to the table during the hearing and the guy was sentenced to 28 days in prison.

Maybe you're happy for these courts to be in existence, but I am sure you are in the minority.



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 10:10 AM
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I grabbed this next quote from the news story link, you provided



He was not arrested by police or even represented by a lawyer.

The order silencing Mr Johnson – which follows an acrimonious divorce eight years ago – means he cannot mention either of his boys, 21-year-old Sam and Adam, 18, in public, even by congratulating them in a local newspaper announcement when they get engaged, married or have children in the future. The extraordinary gag is set to last until the end of his life, although his boys are now adults.

Last night they condemned their father’s jailing as ‘cruel and ludicrous’.


This sounds like a court system, that is really abusing their power. Well, now it looks like, from their ridiculous arrest , that this thing has really been ungagged. People will have a field day with this stupidity. They need a judge to overturn this ruling. It is sheer none sense.

To be filling jail cells for this purpose could become a real burden for the system, but if the UK is anything like the US, they will simply raise the citizens taxes for their silliness.



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 10:30 AM
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I'm a divorced farther, and I have been to a closed hearing this is wrong.

now for the thread.

My concern is more of how he got the gagging order. He was accused over, and over again, and cleared his grown sons said it was lies, but they kept social services with him to monitor him.

The gagging order was clearly to keep him from letting the pubic know of the wrong doing of the government.

They had no right, and the ex-wife should have faced the courts for multiple lies to child services.

I had this problem out of my ex's mother after two years of having my kids checked for bruises, and taking a weekly pee test while someone watched, I was finally cleared, and told that if she filed again she would face federal charges.



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 10:45 AM
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The vindictiveness of some spouses is off the charts . . . usually women more than men, it seems to me.

That the court would become as or more absurd than the ex spouse is equally off the wall.

I hope this stirs up such a furor that some judges retire or are retired.

Incredible.



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 10:50 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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I bet they would never try that with a Muslim though would they? but why? The Muslim community is closely knit? has their lawyers ready to pounce on any (seemingly) anti-Muslim action? So the law enforcement community tends to handle Muslims with kid gloves.

But seriously, I don't know about "secret courts" but I do know a bit about court orders. If you break them you are subject to the courts...short story.

If he broke the court order he is subject to the punishment of the court...right or wrong it is a court order.



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 11:05 AM
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A father has been jailed at a secret court hearing for sending a Facebook message to his grown-up son on his 21st birthday.

Garry Johnson, 46, breached a draconian gagging order which stops him publicly naming his son, Sam, whom he has brought up and who still lives with him.



Why is no one outraged over this? This father, by court order, cannot claim publicly to be the father of his son that he has taken care of, and that still lives with him. How utterly criminal is that? Why is no one else up in arms over that grievous human rights abuse? The Judge who issued that order needs to be brought before a real court of law to stand trial for crimes against humanity!



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 11:29 AM
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There is no justice in the world or freedoms of any kind! Soon tyranny will be on all our doorsteps and its our lack of action that has allowed this to happen! The more secrets our leaders keep the more we will be destined to weep!



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by Sankari
This is a closed court, not a 'secret court.' Closed hearings are nothing new.

The gag order is the result of an acrimonious divorce with the father's ex-wife, who sounds like a complete nutter to me.

Yes, it's ludicrous. Utterly stupid. It shouldn't be happening. But he broke the law, which is why he's now in jail:


A spokesman said of the courts: ‘It is very rare for anyone to be imprisoned for contempt of court and it only ever happens in extreme circumstances when a person has continually disregarded legally binding requirements made by the court and clearly communicated to them.


So I guess the lesson here is: if you break the law, and persist in doing so, you will go to jail. Right or wrong, that's the outcome.


Originally posted by ShadellacZumbrum
Who made this Decision?


A judge. Read the article.


and was it Public Knowledge beforehand?


Was what public knowledge before hand? The gag order, or the fact that contempt of court can result in jail time?

Family court hearings are often closed, due to the sensitivity of the details and the desire of all parties for privacy. Nobody wants their personal problems dragged through the tabloids.
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who the hell stared this crap?!

What justifiable law makes it illegal to address you son in public?!

Can you morons really not see how wrong this is? I'm sure when your turn comes you'll gladly sit behind bars because you broke the law that was clearly put in place for your own good!



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by crazyewok
Pro gun american comeing in with a silly coment in 5...4...3...2..,.1

As if this story doesn't contain a full compliment of 'silly' already.

Say what you want about the fact that he was in contempt, he wished his ADULT son that lives with him..... 'Happy Birthday!' Oh my gosh! Thank goodness he's off the street, the British people are safe now.



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 12:03 PM
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i'm sorry, the same thing happens all over the world. You are found guilty of something and given punishment. in this case what ever caused him to have the gag order in the first place. Now you have broken that order, they don't need to retrial you. Since it was a verdict and you broken the verdict. Same issue with prisoners in jail who beat each other up or worse. They get tossed in solitary without even seeing a judge first.





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