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Originally posted by Phoenix267
reply to post by sinthia
Atheism is not a religion. It is a lack of belief in a deity. There is no belief or religion involved in atheist. An individual person chooses to identify as an atheist. There is no conversion or anything of that nature.
Originally posted by Phoenix267
reply to post by jeramie
Wow, I cannot believe the ignorance you and others are saying. Evolution is a science. There is no belief involved in accepting evolution. Also no one converts to be an atheist. It's the individual's choice to identify as an atheist or whatever. No conversion what so ever.
Originally posted by NthOther
Originally posted by Phoenix267
reply to post by jeramie
Wow, I cannot believe the ignorance you and others are saying. Evolution is a science. There is no belief involved in accepting evolution. Also no one converts to be an atheist. It's the individual's choice to identify as an atheist or whatever. No conversion what so ever.
Evolution is a theory. There is a lot of faith involved in accepting evolution as factual truth. It hasn't been proven. It can't be proven. Sounds an awful lot like...
I forgot again. You're not a religion. I keep having to remind myself.
A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step—known as a theory—in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon.
Originally posted by Phoenix267
It looks like you do not understand what theory means in science.
A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step—known as a theory—in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon.
Source
Yeah, the word "truth" is nowhere in that. You accept these theories as truth. They aren't.
Originally posted by Phoenix267
reply to post by jeramie
Wow, I cannot believe the ignorance you and others are saying. Evolution is a science. There is no belief involved in accepting evolution. Also no one converts to be an atheist. It's the individual's choice to identify as an atheist or whatever. No conversion what so ever.
A religious scientist got us to the moon, an atheist scientist got us atomic weapons.
Beliefs do matter - and yes, evolution is a belief system. It is a belief that "perhaps" and "more than likely" that a few billions upon billions of years, times billions and billions and trillions of years ago, there was this magical and mystical event that sparked life in the Universe and (created *snickering*) caused matter to come into existence. Perhaps the story of the theory of evolution should start with "A long, long time ago ... in a galaxy far away ..."
However, evolution does not have the polarizing effect on me that it does on others like me, who do not believe anyone "really" knows how it all went down. The theory of evolution is a brilliant and beautiful theory. I still don't understand how hydrogen and helium are considered the oldest elements in the universe and did not originate from stars. Maybe that is just the latest "craze' in the scientific community and that theory will change like every single other theory has. Who knows? And, I especially don't get how King Solomon knew the Sun had a differential rotation over 4,000 years ago. Religion is not Science (we all mostly get that) and Science is not Religion. For most people, Science is a tool used to understand the natural universe. For atheists, science is a tool used to openly mock the sacred beliefs of the religious. To me, that is not very nice or even rational.
Originally posted by Phoenix267
I'm a rational person who accepts science with evidence.
No, your a religious person who has traded words like "faith" for words like "rational and scientific." Your faith in no God is just that, a faith.
Edit: I always wanted to point out I admire your composure and vigor answering all of our replies like so, you are doing very good. : )
Originally posted by Phoenix267
reply to post by GeisterFahrer
A religious scientist got us to the moon, an atheist scientist got us atomic weapons.
A lot of scientist have helped contribute to a lot of experiments. This is like saying white scientist cured disses and black scientist caused them. It's a bad logical fallacy.
Beliefs do matter - and yes, evolution is a belief system. It is a belief that "perhaps" and "more than likely" that a few billions upon billions of years, times billions and billions and trillions of years ago, there was this magical and mystical event that sparked life in the Universe and (created *snickering*) caused matter to come into existence. Perhaps the story of the theory of evolution should start with "A long, long time ago ... in a galaxy far away ..."
No, that is not what evolution is and how it works. Please go to the thread I linked and see why I accept evolution. I do not understand why you and the others are repeating the same comment about evolution.
However, evolution does not have the polarizing effect on me that it does on others like me, who do not believe anyone "really" knows how it all went down. The theory of evolution is a brilliant and beautiful theory. I still don't understand how hydrogen and helium are considered the oldest elements in the universe and did not originate from stars. Maybe that is just the latest "craze' in the scientific community and that theory will change like every single other theory has. Who knows? And, I especially don't get how King Solomon knew the Sun had a differential rotation over 4,000 years ago. Religion is not Science (we all mostly get that) and Science is not Religion. For most people, Science is a tool used to understand the natural universe. For atheists, science is a tool used to openly mock the sacred beliefs of the religious. To me, that is not very nice or even rational.
Well, I'm skeptical of religion because it teaches us not to be happy with reality. Religion in my opinion is influenced by man. The reason I chose to identify as an atheist because it seemed everyone beliefs center around themselves. Like if they were racist or sexist. There are good religious people. But sadly the bad eggs spoiled my views on a lot of them.
Except I did not use race as a factor (you did). Furthermore, what I said isn't even close in comparison to what you are alleging.
Furthermore, you stated you "accept" evolution. That is a statement of your "beliefs of what is true". If anything is "influenced by man" it is Science.
Originally posted by Phoenix267
reply to post by GeisterFahrer
Except I did not use race as a factor (you did). Furthermore, what I said isn't even close in comparison to what you are alleging.
What I was trying to say is that you're using a logical fallacy. In where you express people of faith only contributed to the good and the atheist created nuclear weapons who we all know has caused a lot of deaths. Hopefully you understand where I'm coming from here.
Furthermore, you stated you "accept" evolution. That is a statement of your "beliefs of what is true". If anything is "influenced by man" it is Science.
Are you trying to say man is not smart enough to understand the universe? Is that what you're trying to say?edit on 3-6-2013 by Phoenix267 because: (no reason given)
I did not allege that only a religious scientist contributed to all "good" discoveries, and that only atheist scientists made bad discoveries. I was alleging that beliefs do matter.