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Originally posted by windword
reply to post by Annee
Now that they have allowed these 2 monuments on government property --- I hope others petition to include their own representation.
I'd like to see a Buddha statue and meditation garden for doing yoga!
Republican candidate believes yoga opens you to satanic possession
Originally posted by GeisterFahrer
Just because the majority believes one way, does not automatically equate to oppression of a minority that feels differently.
Are atheists required to sit at the back of the bus? drink from atheist only water fountains? eat in the "atheist" side of a restaurant? Are atheists allowed to vote? Are they treated like property? Sold into slavery?
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by GeisterFahrer
Who? Buddha or the Republican candidate that's saying practicing yoga is satanic?
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by GeisterFahrer
Just because the majority believes one way, does not automatically equate to oppression of a minority that feels differently.
Are atheists required to sit at the back of the bus? drink from atheist only water fountains? eat in the "atheist" side of a restaurant? Are atheists allowed to vote? Are they treated like property? Sold into slavery?
The majority if my life was as a Christian.
I can speak from both experiences. Can you?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by GeisterFahrer
And what are you now?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Annee
I don't support the loss of spirituality, however. This I will adamantly state.
Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by GeisterFahrer
Interesting.
I began life (or at least first memories) with OBEs. "Flying" in astral planes, meeting some tall guy in a long white robe etc etc.
Kind of tough at 5 years old in the early 50s trying to figure it all out --- with no Internet and no one to talk to. So, like you I researched a lot.
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I fully 100% support separation of church and state. I lived with Christian dominance in my younger years, then following the progression of evolvement in breaking that dominance, allowing other beliefs to emerge out of the shadows.
Public recognition and acceptance of atheism is progression.
Dueling monuments will soon be a sight to see in a small courtyard in front of a courthouse in Bradford County in Starke, Florida. Across from a six ton, ten year old display of the 10 Commandments, an atheist group will be erecting a smaller, but significant, 1,500 pound granite monument of their own.
The underlined bold text is where I find an issue. Atheist aren't a group, or in any other way a club, institute, or boy band that resembles a religious movement. They can form a soccer team, a circus, a New York gangster, but being atheist will never have more meaning then a personal conclusion that they do not consider the idea of a deity a possibility.
American Atheists sued Bradford County last July, saying the Christian monument in front of the county courthouse was a public endorsement of religion.
What is a civil right. Right ?
The county and American Atheists went to a court-ordered mediation in March and settled upon the atheists getting their own monument.
Weird for people to form an opinion with pretty good arguments, that they have to enforce by forming packs of anti religious sentiment. Which is a personal opinion.
The bench like monument will feature quotes from secularists the likes of Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson and it will include a quote from the Treaty of Tripoli, a 1796 peace agreement between the U.S. and North African Muslims:
"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion" – 1796 Treaty of Tripoli
Cool it really helps people be punished without religious reasons. What ultimately will happen anyway, when you introduce a jury of citizens, mostly religious. Thus sense of religious ideas are introduced.
The United States of America was not founded on the Christian religion!
Cool land of immigrants, it would have been honorable if you guys still lived by the ways of the native people.
"An sane[/] believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church. A great man believes that a deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An normal living being strives for involvement in life and not escape into death. He wants disease conquered, poverty banished, war eliminated."
Founder of people that have use their own mind and reasoning ?
– American Atheists founder Madalyn Murray O'Hair
"When religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one." – Benjamin Franklin
When enough people believe the same ideas and think that they belong with each other, all for a greater goal the they can be alone. You get the power to invade Europe, kill countless and drag the world right down with you, and your aggressive behavior.
"It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service [writing the Constitution] had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the inspiration of Heaven." – John Adams
Why Not... He wasn't bright enough to keep these situations separated without influencing any other ?
American Atheists and ACLU are stirring up controversies over the display of the 10 Commandments in courthouses elsewhere, and in public schools in Oklahoma and Pennsylvania too.
I agree, try to end education where because of religious views, children are not learned what we can prove as fact, but imaginary interpretations from whomever is the most devoted person. This will destroy the intelligence of the US citizens, and that should be kept high form and guarded to guarantee this.
The display will also feature Biblical quotes that supporters say correspond to the Ten Commandments, such as Deuteronomy 13:10, which says to "stone him with stones" so "that he die" in reference to people who worship other gods. (The first commandment reads, "You shall have no other gods before me.")
No other God means for me no God at all or a rule of an envious God, Jealous one.
creating even more conflict between the religious community and the secularists.
Religions should not be able to attack what is proven fact, and replace it by any other thought should be illegal
I don't support, however, the 10 Commandments or any other piece of religious indoctrination in public schools or inside public courthouses.I do support legal action to have those displays removed altogether, as they represent a governmental endorsement of religion. There is no room for a government endorsed religion in our schools, our courthouses or our legislative halls.
Never knew about these American rules before.
Still an athiest isn't bound by race, school, size, color, or nation. They stand alone with only common sense that they share, with many outside America I hope.
Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by GeisterFahrer
Yeah. Other people went to sleep, I floated up the wall.
It was my normal, but a little confusing.
Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by Sinter Klaas
To bad that we now lve in an age where religious groups, have taken over so much power and seeded so many seeds, we the people who do accept that science, will answer our questions, may not now, but in a 100 years.
Some seem to live and prevent progress, to live like people did millennia ago. with ideas and moral of these ancient people. We are still sabotaged in our way of life and are denied our choices, they are not taken seriously, cause you're just evil. What we learned gets on hold, cause people do what they must and continue to until they die. The day they waited for since their birth.
Anyway...
I don't understand.
I consider myself atheist because I don't believe in a religious type god. Don't believe in any type mystical omnipotent creator.
But, I do have beliefs.
This is getting off topic. So I'm not going to elaborate further in this thread.