It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

So Just Fire Brought Down WTC7 In A Perfect Free Fall Collapse ?

page: 13
34
<< 10  11  12    14  15  16 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 02:26 AM
link   
reply to post by xXxinfidelxXx
 


Aside from being extremely greey and always wanting money money, scientists are power hungry and don't have any moral issues with killing people. The mob are a bunch wussies compared to the scientific comminity. So be careful what you say, they don't like being exposed.




posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 02:33 AM
link   
reply to post by hellobruce
 


I don't really agree it is silly. Even if there was molten steel, so what? The silly part is where people start claiming that molten steel would mean a super secret government plot. There is absolutely no connection between molten steel and inside job. Neither explosives or thermite leave pools of molten steel days or weeks after collapse. You have to make up real silly theories to go from molten steel to inside job.



posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 06:27 AM
link   
reply to post by -PLB-
 


Way to just completely ignore the points I made. I take it you were trying to be sarcastic, but that does not detract from the fact that scientific progress does not come until a way is found to profit from it. Let's say you endeavoured to design a car that produces its own energy, will never rust and will never break down. You would be shut down before you got your foot in the door, as how the hell are you gonna make a profit off of that? Same reason why cancer has supposedly never been cured. Tis far more profitable to chemo people half to death than it is to cure the disease. Same when it comes to energy. Nicola Tesla designed a system that harnessed the power of the ionosphere to distribute power and he died a broke pariah, as it was found that there was no way to meter such a thing, so his funding was pulled. You simply cannot make a real living doing real science. You can only do that by licking the corporate boot. Oh yeah, and come get some.
edit on 7/6/2013 by xXxinfidelxXx because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 06:35 AM
link   
reply to post by -PLB-
 


Okay then what would cause molten steel to flow out the side of the building given that Jet-A only burns at a max of 980 Celsius and structural steel won't even begin to melt until it hits 1180 degrees? How about addressing the fact that the comm tower, which was supported directly by the core, started to drop almost a half a second before the rest of the roof started to move. And don't tell me it was an optical illusion as I have reviewed footage from different angles which all show the same thing. Do you mean to tell me that a portion of the central core, which is designed to be the literal backbone of the entire building, just up and disappeared by magic just before the building started to fall? Then there's the blow-outs which were seen as the building is falling, which can be quite clearly seen in the available footage if you slow it down, that are quite characteristic of controlled demos. Plus look at how the buildings fell. Awfully symmetrical, identical collapses for 2 buildings that were damaged asymmetrically at different points, with different amounts of Jet-A in them now wasn't it. I mean seriously, if you can't smell fish in this instance, ya might wanna get your nose checked out, if you get my drift.
edit on 7/6/2013 by xXxinfidelxXx because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 09:23 AM
link   

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by -PLB-
 

Way to just completely ignore the points I made. I take it you were trying to be sarcastic, but that does not detract from the fact that scientific progress does not come until a way is found to profit from it. Let's say you endeavoured to design a car that produces its own energy, will never rust and will never break down. You would be shut down before you got your foot in the door, as how the hell are you gonna make a profit off of that?

By selling the car, by licensing the technology.

Who exactly would shut you down? Do you think stainless steel is an impossible product because it would be 'shut down'?


Same reason why cancer has supposedly never been cured. Tis far more profitable to chemo people half to death than it is to cure the disease. Same when it comes to energy. Nicola Tesla designed a system that harnessed the power of the ionosphere to distribute power and he died a broke pariah, as it was found that there was no way to meter such a thing, so his funding was pulled. You simply cannot make a real living doing real science. You can only do that by licking the corporate boot. Oh yeah, and come get some.
edit on 7/6/2013 by xXxinfidelxXx because: (no reason given)

Ah I see you don't actually understand it. That's fine, just don't believe the sites that tell you what to think either, as everything you've just posted is nonsense. Many cancers have been cured, rust-less, solar powered (partially) cars are quite normal now (some steel is still used but Al bodies, Al chassies, Al engines). Tesla's ideas were nice, but massively ineffective compared to actual cables.


Okay then what would cause molten steel to flow out the side of the building given that Jet-A only burns at a max of 980 Celsius and structural steel won't even begin to melt until it hits 1180 degrees?

Both of these are way off. It's much closer to 1500°C before you'll melt steel, but there's potential explanations. That particular corner held a significant number of UPS batteries, had plane debris pushed there and was involved in significant fire. The material could be glass, lead, copper, a mix. Hell it could even be steel but we have no evidence that it is and it didn't even seem to melt the aluminium fascia it flowed out past, which tends to indicate it was significantly cooler.


How about addressing the fact that the comm tower, which was supported directly by the core, started to drop almost a half a second before the rest of the roof started to move. And don't tell me it was an optical illusion as I have reviewed footage from different angles which all show the same thing.

No you haven't because if you had you'd be able to show this. Several groups have done extensive analysis of the towers and there's no evidence the core was instantly failed. The exterior wall images are unexplainable by any demolition theory.


Do you mean to tell me that a portion of the central core, which is designed to be the literal backbone of the entire building, just up and disappeared by magic just before the building started to fall?

The core and the exterior walls were the literal backbone. They had loads distributed quite equally. You should read the NIST report to learn more about this.


Then there's the blow-outs which were seen as the building is falling, which can be quite clearly seen in the available footage if you slow it down, that are quite characteristic of controlled demos.

They are only characteristic of demolitions if they are accompanied by huge explosions and occur before collapse. Neither is true.


Plus look at how the buildings fell. Awfully symmetrical, identical collapses for 2 buildings that were damaged asymmetrically at different points, with different amounts of Jet-A in them now wasn't it. I mean seriously, if you can't smell fish in this instance, ya might wanna get your nose checked out, if you get my drift.

The buildings were built symmetrically, it's no surprise their collapse follows their construction. The initiation mechanisms were the same.

This is a typical conspiracy theorist 'pump and dump'. List a bunch of suspicious sounding claims that don't stand up to scrutiny, then run away from addressing any of them.

I don't mean you any offence, but these are seriously old points that have been addressed time and time again. read the NIST report and look at the evidence available for your claims. It doesn't stack up, if it was as clear as you make out there'd be uproar in the engineering world. As it is there's not even a whisper.



posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 12:36 PM
link   
reply to post by -PLB-
 


No people can not handle the truth . Most just look to the week end so they can party . People can not deal with their government working against them . And likely you are one of them !



posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 07:22 PM
link   
reply to post by SimonPeter
 


But luckily we have you, someone who can see right through the sinister plot and reveal the truth. I am not yet completely ready to accept it all, but you really are my shining candle. Please understand that I am still scared and afraid to lose my job and all, but I am really trying to accept the truth. The amount of money I make right now is really tempting, but I might just give it up and help you reveal the truth. Understand that I will be risking my life by doing so, as TBTB will definitely not be pleased.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 01:06 AM
link   
reply to post by -PLB-
 


You are amusing me . Yet you see nothing wrong with big brother massing every bit of information on you , emails phone and text communications and what you are looking at on TV and your computer . Think those satellite dishes just receive programing . Do you think our wonderful government is well within their rights to invade your privacy even though you aren't guilty of anything . What is so different from being complicit in the 911 scandal and what they are doing to us now ?
Just how close is the prophecy of the Mark of the Beast to being reality now . Only with the technology of today could it be possible to implement that system . Digital Angel has a implantable chip called Verichip that can be inserted with a syringe . This one world government is real and they are going to succeed one way or another to enslave the world as planned .
And you just might be right . People who oppose TPTB could be marked for reprisal . Anyone !
An article came out about 3 or 4 years ago that gave instruction to local police from HLS that anyone who opposes ; socialism , illegal immigration global government or who were Christians , ex military and other completely stupid BS were to be looked at as possible domestic terrorist . There was such an uproar that they expunged it from the Internet where people had posted it .
Yes I trust my government NOT!



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 03:23 AM
link   
reply to post by SimonPeter
 


The technology you fear is the same technology that is keeping the powers in check. There only has to be one tiny leak of information and the whole world knows about it. Social media can not be controlled as the content is put there by everyone. Just think about where you got all your information from where you learned your "truth". None of those sites have ever been suppressed by anyone.

Of course it is a bit concerning that everyones personal information is stored in databases. And it is indeed a challenge to keep that in check. But the fantasy you build around that is very far fetched. My prediction is that you read it on the internet, and that you don't have any evidence. You just found it to be an appealing theory.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 08:27 AM
link   
reply to post by -PLB-
 


A stunning indictment of the cognitive dissonance present among some truthers. I can do nothing but endorse and applaud your post.



posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 08:39 AM
link   

Originally posted by SimonPeter
Digital Angel has a implantable chip called Verichip


Digital Angel has had nothing to do with Verichip since 2008.... do try and keep up!



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 01:21 AM
link   
reply to post by -PLB-
[mor Like I said you live in La La Land where everything is good . But the current events are going to get worse .



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 05:41 AM
link   
reply to post by SimonPeter
 


If you categorize a terrorist attack by religious fanatics killing thousands as "good", then I am questioning your moral standards.


I can as well argue that you can not handle the idea that a small group of pretty much meaningless people can cause so much damage, and to cope with it you fantasize that there must be a very powerful entity behind it.
edit on 9-6-2013 by -PLB- because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 11:07 AM
link   
reply to post by -PLB-
 


You in it for the dramatics just like your avatar . All ways in the dark and fed BS .



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 01:17 PM
link   

Originally posted by -PLB-
The technology you fear is the same technology that is keeping the powers in check. There only has to be one tiny leak of information and the whole world knows about it. Social media can not be controlled as the content is put there by everyone. Just think about where you got all your information from where you learned your "truth". None of those sites have ever been suppressed by anyone.

Of course it is a bit concerning that everyones personal information is stored in databases. And it is indeed a challenge to keep that in check. But the fantasy you build around that is very far fetched. My prediction is that you read it on the internet, and that you don't have any evidence. You just found it to be an appealing theory.


Where would you learn things other than the internet? Books cannot print as fast as things are changing these days and books are for profit. Not the adds written on the pages of the book but the story itself. News channels are not even news. They are not mandated to provided ALL the news that MUST be 100% truthful before being broadcasted. "sources inside..." and "an unnamed source" are good enough to claim truth and there is no law requiring sources are exposed even sometimes in a court of law. The news is a show that entertains for a profit.

News papers are the only medium that is similar to the internet and most of the articles are online. That is what is usually linked with the information.

Social media cannot be controlled?? LMAO. There are business out there that specialize in controlling your businesses online image. I hear the adds on the radio all the time. That includes using fake accounts to counter REAL speculation about your product and the reader of both would not the wiser. Especially if there is an attitude like yours that says that's just not possible.

I doubt any of this will sway YOU. that's not the point. It so that other readers that come later can see the counter to your argument. See how you and I are both trying to influence readers in different directions. Of course yours suggest we just lay down on the platter and trust the government man with the fork, knife and salt shaker is protecting us. Mine is saying that the rich and powerful don't go out of the way to help or protect anyone but themselves and their power. Its not inhuman, its quite natural when we becomes separated so far in our power and control to take advantage of the situation. There have been a couple famous case studies about it.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 01:30 PM
link   

Originally posted by exponent

Who exactly would shut you down? Do you think stainless steel is an impossible product because it would be 'shut down'?

Unless your a complete idiot you clearly twisted that to sound stupid. Good job. Who would shut you down? Tell me what they talk about in the Bilderberg meetings and I'm sure you will find your answer.


Many cancers have been cured, rust-less, solar powered (partially) cars are quite normal now (some steel is still used but Al bodies, Al chassies, Al engines). Tesla's ideas were nice, but massively ineffective compared to actual cables.


No cancers have been cured. Unless you call radiation and chemo therapy a cure. Its actually a really expensive death. Try going through it if its just a cure.

Solar powered cars huh? Where? I want one! I couldn't give a damn about rust but the solar powered... hell ya! Im going to run out to the dealership and get one right now, or wait till they advertize a sale on the radio. Oh wait... that's just for third world countries after we have stripped them of their natural resources we bring them the free energy cars and tell them it's going to be OK. Why not bring US the solar powered cars and stop taking the third worlds resources??? beats me. makes about as much sense as interest based fractional reserve banking.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 02:02 PM
link   

reply to post by exponentThey are only characteristic of demolitions if they are accompanied by huge explosions and occur before collapse. Neither is true.


Obviously this was not your typical demolition and nor would it have been controlled in the same manner we are used to seeing. They did not use small strategically placed charges that could all detonate then followed by the collapse of the building nice and neatly. Those were enormous blasts that shot thousands of tones of concrete and steel many meters away from the building in an outward display.


The buildings were built symmetrically, it's no surprise their collapse follows their construction. The initiation mechanisms were the same.


There is NO WAY a high rise would collapse like that due to its own construction. That is absurd. HIGH RISES ARE NOT BUILT WITH CRUMPLE ZONES. That is how cars are build to absorb impact. Those towers will built to displace weight and re-displace if necessary. They could sway back and forth in the wind and the weight would just shift evenly (that seismic not crumple zones). The bottom 80 floors has been taking the weight of the top 40 for decades. The bottom 80 floors were not hot nor were they compromised in any substantial way. Those floors were strong and built to take the weight above. The top sections of the building would have met no resistance if it chose to fall off to the side breaking away all the leveraged steel and concrete because of "SUPER DUPER HOT" temperatures. Instead it decided to blast its way through miles of cold steel and concrete like it was no resistance what so ever? At least compared to the open air it could have chosen based on THE LAWS OF PHYSICS???/

I have been in construction my whole life. I deal with engineered prints and inspectors all the time. I understand how they work because i make changes and get approval for them all the time. and there is no way any body with any experience in building could wrap there head around what happened to that building unless it was a simple case that someone blew it up.



posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 10:04 PM
link   
reply to post by FirstCasualty
 


Typical strawman arguments. I nowhere claim social media cannot be influenced. I nowhere say to trust the government. None of your points are worth a reply.



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 02:24 PM
link   

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by wmd_2008
 


I'm sorry but I'm just taken aback that someone in this world who is supposedly pretty well educated would even consider that the official version of events is true. Since you have the benefit of talking to many engineers on said topic, maybe you could explain to me how a building with a solid steel and reinforced concrete core could collapse into it's own footprint at free-fall velocity almost directly through the path of greatest resistance when it is far more likely that, given the damage from the impacts and fires burning, it would have only suffered a partial collapse unless given a little "help" if you get my drift. Do you know what the first three skyscrapers EVER to collapse due to "fire" were? If you don't than maybe you aren't the authority on this matter that you think you are. (Hint: one ends in 1, one ends in 2 and one ends in 7) Just goes to prove...never confuse education with intelligence...no offense and all..just sayin..



Concrete core


Again the usual conspiracy BS the Twin Towers didn't collapse just due to fire or are you blind
what about the structural damage say caused by an aircraft impact



posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 02:32 PM
link   

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by -PLB-
 


Actually, if I may say so, the nature of your breed (the scientific community that is) is to chase the next paycheque. Kinda hard to do that if you've been ostracized by the mainstream scientific community for daring to question the official story. Hate to go off topic, but why exactly do you think that no cancer cure has come to light, Tesla's principle inventions have gone unrecognized (he died broke btw) and we still burn fossil fuels? Scientific progress is driven by the unquenchable thirst for profit and nothing but. Having said that, there are many corporations which stand to profit hugely from the war on terror that stemmed from this attack who would have a vested interest in keeping the official story alive..just sayin...


You MUST have a copy of the conspiracy CLICHE handbook, A cancer cure would make a company very rich, well why don't you go build some of Tesla's inventions or why have others not again lots of money to be made.

The bulk of scientific research is done in universities and in company labs and if a company pours millions into development they are going to want to get that back to reinvest again.



new topics

top topics



 
34
<< 10  11  12    14  15  16 >>

log in

join