It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Why is food unnecessary? Food is needed to survive and thankfully it is pleasurable to eat most things.
Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by Bob Sholtz
You cannot equate veganism or vegetarianism to being Christian. We have already discussed this. I just posted about Jesus telling Peter to rise up, KILL and eat. If you choose to not eat meat then that is a personal choice of yours but it is not Biblical so don't try and say it is. As far as you thinking that the pastey looking vegans and vegetarians out there are healthier than those of us omnivores, I beg to differ. I eat meat everyday, eat veggies and fruits everyday. I would challenge you to any physical contest you would like and see who is more physically fit. Show me a vegan pro athlete. There is no way possible to get all of the protein the human body needs from just plants. Not if you are active at all. I guess if you choose to be a couch potato then vegetarianism would be somewhat ok, but if you are active at all you need up to 1.4 grams of protein per kg of bodyweight per day.
We have the teeth for it, the physical need for it, there is nothing wrong with being an omnivore.
Answer me this. Plants are living breathing organisms as well. Why is it not murder to eat them? They respond to stimulation, they grow and reproduce, why is that not murder?
The only studies that claim vegetarians live longer are obviously biased studies by vegan groups and other biased sources
Your argument is a straw man argument because you are trying to compare the level of danger of allowing a child a vegetarian diet, to the level of danger of allowing a child to play with a dangerous animal.
It is true that a parent's job is protecting their child. It is true that offering guidance is part of that job. And I will concede, that if a person is too poor, or too stupid to create a healthful diet without meat, they should probably encourage their child to eat meat once in a while.
Letting your child eat whatever they please? Of course not. I don't think anyone here is advocating that.
This statement is overly-simple and because of that, incorrect. I don't have time to completely read through the sources you posted, but it is quite possible to get inadequate nutrition if food sources are not varied enough. To use an exaggerated example-- if you eat white rice, and only white rice, every day, you will not get a complete enough range of amino acids.
it is actually impossible to eat a variety of starches and vegetables, meet the required caloric daily intake, but not get adequate nutrition.
Snowdon 1988, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 48, 739: A study of 27,529 Seventh-day Adventist adults over a 20-year period revealed that the consumption of specific animal products (meat, eggs, milk) was associated with mortality, heart disease, cancer, and/or diabetes.
Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by TinkerHaus
What?! A freaking toddler is not supposed to think for him or her self. They do not have enough experience with life to do so. We are supposed to guide, lead, clothe, feed, teach, and protect our children. Be a PARENT for Gods sake.
Originally posted by Hopechest
Originally posted by j.r.c.b.
Wow, that's a really smart little boy!! How cool that his mom let him make his own choice!! I love that!! And I DO come from a meat eating family, but this was so precious!! TY OP FOR POSTING.......
Really?
Your going to give your 2 yr. old kid choices about what he can eat?
Sorry but as a parent you tell your 2 yr. old kid what he will eat.
I hate liberal parents...not saying anything in regards to you but just in general.
Originally posted by TheRedneckI do take exception to your condescension of the poor and the characterization of those who choose to eat meat as "stupid." That is an elitist attitude that does nothing to promote your argument.
And I will concede, that if a person is too poor, or too stupid to create a healthful diet without meat, they should probably encourage their child to eat meat once in a while.
Letting your child eat whatever they please? Of course not. I don't think anyone here is advocating that.
Actually, yes you are. By allowing a child to choose their diet on "moral grounds," you open the door to choices made exclusively by the child. Morals are particular to each individual. Can a child object to eating carrots on a moral basis? Sure! Potatoes? Of course! Rice? No problem, because only one person has full knowledge of the child's moral base: the child. You obviously believe eating meat is immoral, and as an adult that is completely fine for you. I support your endeavor to uphold your morality and wish you nothing but the best in doing so. What i do not support is the idea of enforcing your morality, your beliefs, your agenda on others who may have a differing view of what is moral and differing beliefs.
Even worse, you use an obviously staged video using a child who is probably too young to even fully comprehend what they are saying to promote the agenda of forcing others into your moral mold.
I, by condemning this usage of a child to promote an agenda, am trying to force no one to live any particular way, other than declaring the use of this child to be shameful. You are using this child to try and force others into your belief system, evidenced not only by your continual pleas to change lifestyles, but by the aforementioned insulting characterizations.
Be the change you wish to be. When you have lived long enough and are healthy enough, promote your lifestyle using yourself as an example and others may well respond. Do not try and force others to be the change you want to be, as all that does is harden resolve against your arguments.
Originally posted by mandrake
That video did nothing for me.
That octopus was already dead, chopped and fired. Not eating it means that it died in vain and that poor little boy not getting the necessary protein and nutrients essential to his developing brain.
If out bodies were not physiologically meant for meat consumption, then why would we possess the enzymes to digest it?
Originally posted by HelenConway
Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by DontTreadOnMe
it. I am also of the mindset that we as humans are built to be omnivorous. We do not have these wonderful canines for ripping the meaty flesh of a tomato.
our canines are negligible - tiny little things, more suited to biting apples then ripping flesh.. Our mouths have far more molars for grinding grains and vegetables, just like our cousins the other apes.
Please refer to pictures earlier in thread
edit on 1-6-2013 by HelenConway because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by mandrake
That video did nothing for me.
That octopus was already dead, chopped and fired. Not eating it means that it died in vain and that poor little boy not getting the necessary protein and nutrients essential to his developing brain.
If out bodies were not physiologically meant for meat consumption, then why would we possess the enzymes to digest it?