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NEWS: The Liberal Dutch Cabinet Has Declared War on Islamic Extremism.

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posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 03:36 PM
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Deputy Prime Minister Gerrit Zalm announced that the Dutch cabinet has declared war on Islamic extremism, the step was justified by the recent murder of Theo van Gogh a filmaker who had released a movie in which he criticized the treatment of women under Islam.
The Liberal minister announced that they will increase their funds for the Dutch intelligence service, AIVD, providing more information to the Dutch Parliament next week.
 



www.expati ca.com
The cabinet is also investigating

whether existing legislation is sufficient to tackle radical Muslims who commit violent offences. Zalm referred to the investigation by Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk into the possibility of revoking the Dutch passports of violent offenders who hold dual nationality status.

Cabinet ministers also discussed on Friday the controversial El Tawheed mosque in Amsterdam, where the suspected killer of Van Gogh, 26-year-old Dutch Moroccan Mohammed B., regularly attended. No decision was taken about the mosque.

Furthermore, the government has said it will remain in contact with Muslim organisations in a joint bid to crackdown on extremists. Zalm also expects that these organisations will internally make it clear to members that radical actions are not approved of.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


For fear of social tension Amsterdam police have increased the number of patrols in the streets.

Deputy Prime Minister Gerrit Zalm rejected speculation that the Dutch government had fallen behind in the fight against Radical Islam and he stressed that the Muslim community must not be judged by the actions of Islamic extremists the article states.

This latest announcement shows that the coalition is not alone in the fight against Islamic extremism.

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posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 04:05 PM
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So, no democrats or liberals are responding to this?....

I thought the whole thing with radical Islamic attacks was invented by the U.S.....

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posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
This latest announcement shows that the coalition is not alone in the fight against Islamic extremism.


The Dutch are a part of the coalition.
They have over 1,000 troops in Iraq.

BTW, don't assume that the countries who are not a part of the coalition in Iraq are not interested in fighting extremists.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
The Dutch are a part of the coalition.
They have over 1,000 troops in Iraq.

BTW, don't assume that the countries who are not a part of the coalition in Iraq are not interested in fighting extremists.


First the point was that Islamic extremism is attacking everyone, whether they are in the coalition or not, whether they agree with the war against terror or not....and that it is not an invention of the US government as so many members have said in the past.

Islamic extremists will find any excuse to take hostages or make suicide attacks, the two French captives was a testament to that, and the 12 Nepalese workers that were murdered by Islamic extremists...

This problem, and it is a problem unless you are still too blind to see it, is affecting the whole world. Wether you are a peace-loving nation or not.

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posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 04:36 PM
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Judging from Zalm's comments I'd say a line in the sand is being drawn.


Zalm said on Friday that there had been new developments in the world of Islamic extremism in which religious thoughts were being "translated into murder and manslaughter". "This is something that we absolutely cannot tolerate," he said.

Cabinet ministers also discussed on Friday the controversial El Tawheed mosque in Amsterdam, where the suspected killer of Van Gogh, 26-year-old Dutch Moroccan Mohammed B., regularly attended. No decision was taken about the mosque.



Most countries have been overly tolerant of the hate being spewed from some of these mosques and it would appear that the Dutch are taking a hard look at them as well, like El Tawheed.

B.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 04:36 PM
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Muaddib, where do you live?

I live in Europe, and Europe has been fighting islamic extremism, and terrorism in general, for quite some time now, even years BEFORE 9/11.
It didn't start with this decision of Dutch Cabinet. They are only emphasizing it again in the light of recent events. It is a political move aimed at public, nothing more. It is what politicians do to look good on TV and to get elected again.

I don't remember anyone here saying that extremism is an invention of US goverment.
The goverment of my country had to deal with taliban and extremists in the early 90s when most americans were not even aware of the existance of these groups.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
I thought the whole thing with radical Islamic attacks was invented by the U.S.....


www.abovetopsecret.com...
Norway or Belgium is next?



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by paperclip
Muaddib, where do you live?

I live in Europe, and Europe has been fighting islamic extremism, and terrorism in general, for quite some time now, even years BEFORE 9/11.
It didn't start with this decision of Dutch Cabinet.
..............


Oh yes, we have had quite a few members in ATSNN say that Islamic terrorism is but an invention of the US government. i guess you haven't keep up with these posts at ATSNN and ATS.

Some have even said that radical Islamic attacks are just a consequence of the coalition being in Iraq and Afghanistan....

Paperclip, i lived in Europe and was raised there, i know the problems they have had over there for some time now. I also still have family in Europe.

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posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 05:37 PM
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The current Dutch cabinet is Central-Right. Not liberal.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795
The current Dutch cabinet is Central-Right. Not liberal.


humm, then either I interpreted one of the paragraphs in that link wrong or they got it wrong. Here is a quote to the paragraph.


The Liberal Party (VVD) minister said the cabinet would therefore expand the Dutch intelligence service AIVD, requiring an increase in funding. Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner and Interior Minister John Remkes will provide further information to the Dutch Parliament next week.


Excerpted from.
www.expatica.com...'declareswar'+on+Islamic+extremism


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posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 05:44 PM
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The other two parties of the coalition are right-wing. CDA is slightly conservative.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Some have even said that radical Islamic attacks are just a consequence of the coalition being in Iraq and Afghanistan....


Well, that is partialy true. The attacks in Spain were the answer to Spain's involvment in war in Iraq and have basicaly changed the outcome of elections. If Spain didn't join the coalition of the Gulf War II, that attack wouldn't have happened.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by paperclip
Well, that is partialy true. The attacks in Spain were the answer to Spain's involvment in war in Iraq and have basicaly changed the outcome of elections. If Spain didn't join the coalition of the Gulf War II, that attack wouldn't have happened.


Why then did the police in Spain cornered several Islamic suicide bombers, who blew themselves up killing police officers also, after the elections in Spain and the promise that they would extract all of Spain's troops from Iraq?....

Why did the radicals murdered 12 Nepalese, who never were involved in the war?....

Why were French hostages taken, when France has been against the war from the beginning?....

The anwser is simple, Islamic extremists will find any excuse to make any attacks anywhere in the world.

---edited to correct some sentences---

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posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 05:57 PM
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Muaddib, I am a liberal and I don't deny the existence of Islamic extremists. I understand and do not condemn the Dutch government's decision. The only thing is, I hope this will not be a war on all Muslims. It seems that people's ability to remember that there are extremists in every culture is severely hampered these days.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Otts
Muaddib, I am a liberal and I don't deny the existence of Islamic extremists. I understand and do not condemn the Dutch government's decision. The only thing is, I hope this will not be a war on all Muslims. It seems that people's ability to remember that there are extremists in every culture is severely hampered these days.


Otts, I am in favor of fighting, detaining or jailing whatever extremists groups use violence, in suicide attacks or attacks such as 9/11 or the Madrid Bombings, not just Islamic extremists, but any group that does this.

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posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib


Why then did the police in Spain cornered several Islamic suicide bombers, who blew themselves up killing police officers also, after the elections in Spain and the promise that they would extract all of Spain's troops from Iraq?....


Hmmm I wouldnt refer to them as suicide bombers. They were allegedly involved in the whole thing (which btw wasnt a sucide bombing), they got caught, they panicked and BOOM, end of story.





Why did the radicals kill 12 Nepalese, who never were involved in the war?....
*snip*


I wouldn't say that their agenda is killing per se. The killings are a method of furthering other agendas. Some believe that USA invasion of Iraq is unjust, others are motivated by ransom money ( for some hostages money has been paid and they were released), others again are seeking media attention to get more exposure of their agenda, which is taking over power, some want to scare people and create pressure on other goverments.

Needless to say, war attracts all kinds of crazy people.

There isn't a one single motive for everything. There are dozens of groups with dozens of motives and agendas.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 09:28 PM
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Unfortunely there is very little alternatives except for the elimination of the extremists.

Europe has a recent history of much appeasement for short-term economic benefits.

Even with European socialism, they still should not begin to put security issues aside.. as things like the bombings in Spain occur.

The situations look grave at this point.



posted on Nov, 8 2004 @ 02:24 AM
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(New Update)
Letters were found on Van Gogh's body and on the killer with the headlines "Hit List" and continues by stating. "Prominent Dutch people feature on a list of people to be murdered by radical Moslems. They include members of parliament...and the mayor of Amsterdam."


The ALGEMEEN DAGBLAD prints on its front page some of the lines aimed at one parliamentarian noted for her criticism of Islam: "Allah willing, this letter is an attempt to silence your evil for all times. You will be crushed by Islam." and further on we read: "I am certain that you, the Netherlands, will go to ruin."


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www.rnw.nl...

The TELEGRAAF also announced that the murder of Van Gogh came after a proclamation of fatwa.


The TELEGRAAF announces in one article that Van Gogh was murdered after the proclamation of a fatwa. "There is increasing evidence that a high-ranking mullah gave his blessing to Van Gogh's murder. The deeply religious killer needed such a blessing, because the murder was committed during Ramadan." However, TROUW quotes a leading French expert on Islam, Gilles Kepel, who says, "A fatwa is not necessary. The assailant acts on his own initiative in the expectation that the community will consider him a saint." Keppel expresses concern about the situation in the Netherlands and says, "The future of Islam will be fought out in Europe."


Excerpted from above link.

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