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Originally posted by Cuervo
Originally posted by theRhenn
Originally posted by Cuervo
Originally posted by theRhenn
If you're married to someone, aren't you supposed to be loyal? Priests and Nuns are supposed to be loyal to that which they marry.. God. So why would they have sex with someone?
It sounds like you are saying it's okay to be gay as long as it's being gay for god.
Nope... I'll say again.. Dont assume or put words in my mouth. You're playing with words and that really shows your intel. You're starting to make me think that you're a child trying to pretend he knows more than he really does.
Take it for what it is. Dont read into it.
I did. I took it exactly how you said it. Somebody asked you why being unmarried is considered natural but being gay is not. Your answer was that being a celibate priest is like being married to Jesus.
I put no words into your mouth. And if I were a child, you should feel a little embarrassed.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by theRhenn
Since you "think" I don't understand what you believe, that means I don't understand anything. How narrow-minded can you be? I understand exactly what you believe because I was raised to believe in the bible, except I have moved forward and dropped the dogma that went along with your book.
You don't think it is constructive because you don't agree with me. Like I said, you are narrow-minded and stuck in a box that you're afraid to leave. Just because I hold a different view than you and look outside of your box doesn't mean I'm ignorant or childish, you're childish for thinking so.
Loving one another is far removed from having sex with one another. Sure, there was a deep love there, but not one where there was a desire for sexual acts. There wasn't a want for a relationship beyond being best friends. You're knitting to totally different things together that dont belong. Being gay mashes those two desires together and that's a totally different thing. Loving someone isn't gay. Having sex or desires for sex with the same sex is. Physical attraction vs spiritual/emotional attraction are two different things.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by theRhenn
There are no sexual thoughts toward god, but there are toward little boys, right? If fiddling kids is holding themselves to a higher standard then I don't want any part of that standard.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by theRhenn
Loving one another is far removed from having sex with one another. Sure, there was a deep love there, but not one where there was a desire for sexual acts. There wasn't a want for a relationship beyond being best friends. You're knitting to totally different things together that dont belong. Being gay mashes those two desires together and that's a totally different thing. Loving someone isn't gay. Having sex or desires for sex with the same sex is. Physical attraction vs spiritual/emotional attraction are two different things.
I don't think that you have ever been in love, and certainly not married, because you really have no idea what you're talking about.
Gay people fall in love, just like everybody else, if they're lucky enough. Johnathan and David were in love, "and it came to pass" that their two souls were knit together. That's what happens in a marriage. A covenant between the two lovers is made, and after consummation, two souls become one.
In the case of Naomi and Ruth, Naomi became Ruth's family, Ruth's god was now her god, where ever Ruth went, Naomi followed Only death would part them, and even then, they would be buried side by side. That's what married people do, not BFF's.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by theRhenn
My belief isn't nearly as watered down as yours. Look at how thick the bible is, it's so convoluted and watered down that most people who believe it don't even want to read it. They'd rather have a pastor tell them what to believe and how to interpret things than to have their own opinion.
The bible is the definition of watered down. There wouldn't be over 40,000 denominations if it wasn't.
Originally posted by colbe
I love everybody at ATS. My list of sins I am absolutely sure is longer than anyone here. I did not "cut and run",
silly. I left to help someone in my family.
And now dear The Rhenn gets hit. I am sorry.
Grave mortal sin is denied as even being sin, tell me, we are not in the end times? Yes we are, it is the
end of a sinful period of time, the 6th Day.
If you think you are homosexual, confess with true contrition the "act' to God and remain celibate. Save
your soul. Catholics have to do more, they must go to Confession. God is merciful, how many times does
the Gospel remind us to repent?
Here is Scriptural proof UNREPENTANT sodomites are in Hell.
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2 Peter 2:4-6
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but delivered them, drawn down by infernal ropes to the lower hell, unto torments, to be reserved unto judgment: 5 And spared not the original world, but preserved Noe, the eighth person, the preacher of justice, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly. 6 And reducing the cities of the Sodomites, and of the Gomorrhites, into ashes, condemned them to be overthrown, making them an example to those that should after act wickedly.
2 Peter 2:4-6: Peter also reveals that the Sodomites are suffering in hell for their sins by comparing the Sodomites’ punishment to the eternal punishment of the evil angels. Just as God did not spare the angels when they sinned but cast them into hell, so He did the same with the Sodomites when He “condemned them to extinction and made them an example to those who were to be ungodly.”
Jude 5
I will therefore admonish you, though ye once knew all things, that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, did afterwards destroy them that believed not: 6 And the angels who kept not their principality, but forsook their own habitation, he hath reserved under darkness in everlasting chains, unto the judgment of the great day. 7 As Sodom and Gomorrha, and the neighboring cities, in like manner, having given themselves to fornication, and going after other flesh, were made an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.
Jude 5-7: Like Peter, Jude confirms that the Sodomites are in hell by saying that they had the same fate as the evil angels. Jude says just as the evil angels were condemned to hell, the Sodomites “likewise” (Greek, hos) acted immorally and are undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. “Undergoing” (Greek, upechousai) is a present participle which means their suffering is ongoing. See also the clear polarity between those who are saved (v.5) and those who are condemned (vv. 6-7,11,13).
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by theRhenn
Refer to my question towards colbe. Rome was full of gay people, so why did god decide to set up shop there?
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by theRhenn
Talk about personal jabs, lol. You are such a hypocrite.
So the god I believe in is the same as the one in the bible? I don't think so. Unless Yahweh is the universe and consciousness then my god is not the same as the bible. I believe my god was Jesus' god, but Paul came in and twisted his words to mean something completely different.
You believing that god is contained in a book is you limiting what he is, you do realize that right? You believing he is contained in a book is you putting him in a box, and that's the box that you're stuck in and afraid to leave.edit on 1-6-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Astyanax
'Too gay' means it will die at the box-office, because so many Americans are homophobic and will not dare to watch a movie about real gay life. That's all. There is no moral judgement implied whatsoever.
Matthew 5
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.