Please snitch on your neighbour, he may be a terrorist!!

Originally posted by opethPA

Originally posted by jrod
This has been going on since 9/11 in the states. On all my hometown's vehicles there is sign that says "See something suspicious call the police."

This is not about finding terrorists, it is all about feeding the perpetual state of fear that many live in. People who live in fear have no problem giving up liberties for the illusion of security.

Because you shouldn't call the police if you see something suspicious?

If I see 3-4 different people looking in the windows of a closed store..calling the police.
If i see someone mugging a person, calling the police.
If I see kids looking in the windows of parked cars..

Spying on your neighbor is wrong in every way and on every level. The day we are actually tasked with doing that is beyond a scary thought.

Keeping your eyes open and reporting something suspicious you see is just common sense.

I understand your possition and I too think it would be great if there
was a number you can call that can make problems go away.

Unfortunately thr police do not offer that kind of service whether local, provincial, or federal.

They are in the business of collecting crime data and using it as subject
to an arguement to seep more money from public coffers.

Crime is a business like many others that hurt people indirectly for profit
Like any good business they want to grow and cover and cover larger markets.

I dont want to give them what they need to grow if it doesnt stop crime.

Are police lowering crime rates? No right. I think online video games have done a better job.

Originally posted by opethPA

Originally posted by terriblyvexed
reply to post by opethPA

 

SNITCHES GET STITCHES!!

But,I guess you have a point. A small semi point, but I believe the thread is more of a tell us if your neighbor has a problem with the way we run things, kinda spying, and reporting.

Snitches get stitches is really a dumb concept...

I just see a big difference between spying and common sense.

I can see the difference between spying and common sense, but where do you draw the line?

First it will be report potential radicals. Followed by well done, you done really well, now here's a target you can report back on.

No, sorry, unless I felt it was directly concerning security, I will not go there.

just wait until they start with the

"Please snitch on your neighbour, he may be a terrorist!! AND WIN GREAT PRIZES"

reply to post by terriblyvexed
well that is just one, here are the many www.whatourforefathersthought.com... my favorite is this one, from the link

”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.”

DHS TSA NSA FEMA all prove that oh so well, now we can add LEO's FBI and your neighbor to that.

You Brits have not lost it, you never had it, what little you did, the right to own fire arms, you gave up freely, the others, just like we did after 9/11 with the P act NDAA 1021 1022 allow your Gov to do the same as TSA DHS to run ramped, NSA FBI E taping. that' web, net and cell eavesdropping with out consent for in the name of National Security.

What Security? It is not the individuals or for one's safety but for the good of the Gov. Not the peoples. You might have it worse off than us, for you have the MI5 to deal with, and that is like all the above mentioned agency's, all rolled up in one, NSA/CIA operating in the USA with the right to kill and detain in the name of Security.

We have might have it better off than you but we are not that far behind, sad to say.

Anyone remember just after 911 Tony Blair and George Bush did a speech,and said that we must not change the way we live in the free world,or the terrorists have won...

They then proceeded to implement the likes of the patriot act,and turn society slowly but surely into something which makes George Orwell's 1984 look tame by comparison.

So have the terrorists won?
Or have the ruling class actually won?

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


In my humble opinion, yes. The terrorists have won.

So have the terrorists won?
Or have the ruling class actually won?

Isn't that a bit redundant?
They are one in the same.

Dame Stella Rimington, former head of MI5 has actually suggested that citizens spy on our neighbours

This is not news, Dame Stella Rimington has been saying this for years so have most high level counterterrorism officials in the UK.

I have a book that has a chapter by her in it (The New Protective State) in which there is a similar call for increased public awareness of terrorism and the public reporting suspicious activity to the police. Its much the same way the police would expect members of the public to report other suspicious activity. You know the way you would if you suspected your neighbors were running a drugs den or a brothel, you would phone the police. Well the same applies if you start to notice your neighbors spending a lot of time in the shed and you over hearing them discussing bomb making or saying stuff like "Allah commands us to blow up the supermarket down the street". You would and you should report that to the police.

There is nothing wrong with that, she is not asking that you start actively spying on your neighbors she is not quoted as saying "spy on your neighbors" but rather what she is saying is correct the public are the "eyes and ears". It is up to the public to report were they believe a crime is being committed, I would actually go as far to say that members of the public who suspect a crime is being committed or about to be committed have a civic responsibility to report it.

Originally posted by Cobaltic1978

Originally posted by opethPA

Originally posted by terriblyvexed
reply to post by opethPA

 

SNITCHES GET STITCHES!!

But,I guess you have a point. A small semi point, but I believe the thread is more of a tell us if your neighbor has a problem with the way we run things, kinda spying, and reporting.

Snitches get stitches is really a dumb concept...

I just see a big difference between spying and common sense.

I can see the difference between spying and common sense, but where do you draw the line?

First it will be report potential radicals. Followed by well done, you done really well, now here's a target you can report back on.

No, sorry, unless I felt it was directly concerning security, I will not go there.

I generally agree with your OP and thread. I do recall, vaguely, the days of hearing all about Block Captains and neighbor informing programs behind the Iron Curtain. Then the wall came down and we all learned it was actually worse, if anything. Bad times..and ones we do seem to be heading back to, by choice and applause in some cases.

Having said that, I thought I would reply on your question of where to draw the line. I think that's a very simple question for people with Empathy and/or Conscience.

Is what you are seeing, IF you were the victim of it, something you'd wish someone else would report? If the answer is yes? A phone call should be made. If there isn't a victim, per say ...such as some topics that can't be discussed....or for some reason the answer is no? (Say a mutual fight in a bar parking lot or something ....let 'em finish whatever started it as long as no weapons come out, IMO) then it's snitching and we just need to mind our own business.

Just my basic way of looking at it.

I been snitching on my neighbor alright, for the waste and abuse of my tax dollars gone into welfare.

Low life, drunken trash, living on welfare and manage to get a three bedroom home with a three car garage, what a life, can not drive due to several DUIs, have a wife three children and they all share the same room because the other two rooms are housing two disable elderly also on welfare and disability that they are abusing while using ther money to afford their lifestyle and drinking binges.

But is ok and peachy to do that, government approve that is legal. I call that tax payer terrorism.

This isn't new at all.

en.wikipedia.org...

Some of you are -still- under the influences of the Red Scare.

Don't expect the "Terrorists" to go away any time soon.

reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee

Oh, I wouldn't call it that. Red Scare in the context of the 50's has nothing to do with it. Some of us recall, even if vaguely in my own case, what the reality was which the Berlin Wall coming down left for the world to see. Take, for example, the East German "Scent Jars".

The smelling jars used odour recognition to keep tabs on potential dissidents. The Stasi often collected the samples surreptitiously – breaking into homes to steal suspects’ underwear, or by wiping down chairs used during interrogations. The samples were then stored in glass jars, each carefully labeled with details of whom the sample came from. The idea that there were jars full of people’s scents as well as detailed records of people’s lives in Stasi buildings was pretty disturbing to me, because it illuminated the vast scope of power that the Stasi’s and the GDR had over the lives of the East Germans. It is pretty incredible to me how something that seemed so innocent to me, could mean so much.

Source

This stuff really happened and it's living memory to enough people to prevent any rewriting of history for saying it didn't, quite yet anyway.

reply to post by bekod


Wait a minute!.....did you just call me a Britt? I'm American through and through, can't you tell by my inability to give credit to the wrong fore farther for that phrase?

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee

 

Oh, I wouldn't call it that. Red Scare in the context of the 50's has nothing to do with it. Some of us recall, even if vaguely in my own case, what the reality was which the Berlin Wall coming down left for the world to see. Take, for example, the East German "Scent Jars".

The smelling jars used odour recognition to keep tabs on potential dissidents. The Stasi often collected the samples surreptitiously – breaking into homes to steal suspects’ underwear, or by wiping down chairs used during interrogations. The samples were then stored in glass jars, each carefully labeled with details of whom the sample came from. The idea that there were jars full of people’s scents as well as detailed records of people’s lives in Stasi buildings was pretty disturbing to me, because it illuminated the vast scope of power that the Stasi’s and the GDR had over the lives of the East Germans. It is pretty incredible to me how something that seemed so innocent to me, could mean so much.

Source

This stuff really happened and it's living memory to enough people to prevent any rewriting of history for saying it didn't, quite yet anyway.

Thank you for actually proving my point.

We should fear all communists everywhere because of what some communists do! Look at the Scent Jars!
We should fear all muslims everywhere because of what some do! Look at 9-11!
Terrorists are looking for ways to terrorize you, everyone is potentially a terrorist!



The terrorists only win if you allow yourself to be terrorized.

reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee

The terrorists only win if you allow yourself to be terrorized.

Or you listen to the rhetoric coming out of Whitehall and accept the new laws being thought up in the name of fighting terror.

The so called 'snooper's charter' was dead in the water until the events in Woolwich had every every politician scratching their heads as to how this could have happened. Less than a day later, it had risen like a phoenix out of the ashes and momentum towards implementing it has gathered pace in the commons and the lords.

Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee

 

The terrorists only win if you allow yourself to be terrorized.

Or you listen to the rhetoric coming out of Whitehall and accept the new laws being thought up in the name of fighting terror.

The so called 'snooper's charter' was dead in the water until the events in Woolwich had every every politician scratching their heads as to how this could have happened. Less than a day later, it had risen like a phoenix out of the ashes and momentum towards implementing it has gathered pace in the commons and the lords.

That rhetoric is its own form of terrorism. The terrorists exact political change through terror. Who are the people telling you to be afraid? Who are the people using that fear to change laws?

Also, Woolwich wasn't terrorism. It was an attack on a military target in response to military actions. Let's just keep clear who the terrorists are.

reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee


When you can show me the "good" side of communism, I'll be happy to hear it. I've heard my share of brainwashed commie cadre try their best to sell that pig, but I've yet to hear a solid and factual representation of real world communism that isn't basically the dregs of society and government process. You think Capitalism is bad for a few holding the power? Oh, it gets so much more interesting when state law outright forces a class/job system by order of the Communist Party.

The scent jars are but one example and I have many others across the "East Block" nations and Soviet Union that represented Communism. If you're selling it, keep moving. I'm not buying it. Not even a little bit.

My last post before I go off to work.

I hate snitches.
little tattle tales who only make more problems then what they realize.

As one poster pointed there is common sense type stuff, and there is unwarranted spying and snitching.
This will only take us back 3 steps.

Spying on your neighbor can never lead us anywhere healthy.

Keeping an eye out for would be hoods, thugs, vandals and scallywags is a totally different thing.
did I just say scallywags.. heh guess I did..

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee

 

When you can show me the "good" side of communism, I'll be happy to hear it. I've heard my share of brainwashed commie cadre try their best to sell that pig, but I've yet to hear a solid and factual representation of real world communism that isn't basically the dregs of society and government process. You think Capitalism is bad for a few holding the power? Oh, it gets so much more interesting when state law outright forces a class/job system by order of the Communist Party.

The scent jars are but one example and I have many others across the "East Block" nations and Soviet Union that represented Communism. If you're selling it, keep moving. I'm not buying it. Not even a little bit.

You continue to prove my point. Every person that believes in communism isn't going to collect scent jars of their enemies. That isn't a trait of communists, if it were, then every communist would have scent jars. You continue to fear communists much in the same way that the propagandists of old wanted you to. Irrational fear of a whole based on the actions of a few, even if that few were state sponsored.

So yes, snitch on your neighbor because they are communist, or suspicious, or Muslim. They might be a terrorist. The terrorists need YOU to continue their reign of terror.

reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee


I think you might have missed a big point there somewhere along the way. I'm not snitching on commie neighbors or anyone else for that matter. That's kinda the whole point.

Of the Governments who have identified themselves as Communist, an authoritarian approach has been Universal to my knowledge. If you know an exception, I'd love to hear it. The two highest for population in transition murdered 10's of millions in the process of bringing Communism about. That isn't subjective opinion but simple historic fact. Mao with his Cultural Revolution and little red book along side Stalin with their Communist turn for the Russian people. Some estimates range as high as a combined 60 million between them. That's not a place anyone ought to want to follow, regardless.

Now Communism is an extension of Socialism. By literal definition in the text books as well as real world practice. Not all Socialism is or leads to Communism. That's also true enough and some of the Northern European nations (among a handful of others) have shown it can work in a limited nation of generally like minded people.