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Is it egotistical to think that a God would die for you?

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posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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Is it possible for god to die? I don't think it is personally.

Obviously Jesus never died, or he wouldn't have been alive after his supposed death.


No argument but you know that logic and reason do not apply to religions.

Intelligent people will see that as a drawback but not the believers.

Regards
DL




posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by arpgme
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It's not egotistical it is just illogical. Why would a god need to die for his human creations? He can just reprogram them to think differently if he really wanted to.

Imagine scientists dying so that the robots can learn love. They can just build in the functions of love into them, no need to die for something when you can just reprogram it with intelligence and wisdom.


I have no logical argument against your view but Christians keep saying that God will not do such as it would interfere with our free will.

They ignore that God killing us or sending us to hell also interferes with our free will.

The conversation usually goes downhill from there.

Regards
DL



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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He was demonstrating the epitome of love.


Having your child murdered is showing the epitome of love. Wow.

I hope you do not love your children.

Regards
DL



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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Is it egotistical to think your Creator would love you enough put you out of harms way and take your death? Can a father or mother die for their son or daughter and make the ultimate sacrifice? Can a husband die to save his wife? People do this all the time, and He did it 2000 years ago for us all.


You seem to have forgotten that your God is the one who put us in harm's way by condemning us in the first place instead of finding a moral way to forgive us.

You are taking the right moral position in saying that parents should die for their children yet God did the opposite and forced his son to die instead of stepping up himself.

Seems we both think him a prick for doing so. Right?

Regards
DL
edit on 13-6-2013 by Greatest I am because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by 3n19m470
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"If not, what could possibly inflate an ego more than that?"

Having a screen name like "the greatest one" or the greatest anything for that matter.


We ARE gods greatest creation. Higher than angels. God loves us. And I don't think a god can really die the way you're thinking.


Yet scriptures says that the vast majority of what you call his greatest creations will end in hell because of the defect God put in them.

Care to tell us what is going on with that?

Regards
DL



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by slugger9787


It is written:
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son to die, so that those who believe in Him might have eternal life."


God can create as many mule son's, or bodies to carry his son's consciousness as he likes. Right?

Regards
DL



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by slugger9787
reply to post by Greatest I am
 


If you live in a country that has sent men to die for the sake of women and children back at home, then it is not too difficult a reality to wrap your head around, for most people that is.


Those men and their death would be demanded by an enemy.

Are you saying that God is an enemy to Jesus?

If not, get your scenarios correct and do not try to deflect with a lie.

Regards
DL



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 03:40 PM
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I agree that Love did not ask for Christ to martyr himself, but that if when the stage was set, ie Virgo and the Stars were in the right place, a real Teacher or Higher Up, Family, came into the world to help. And it is possible, though the bible is all metaphor, for inner processes, and seeing them outer fundamentally turns the God of Love into the opposite of God/Goodness, which is the intent of the PTB, handing people over to a smiting Saturn/Satan, while keeping the real gnostic truth for themselves, which is so simple stuff, it doesnt take trillions of codes to deciphere the love and good works and meditation needed to awaken third eye on a givign STO Love frequency. They themselves are usually or often, dark gnostics, so they really try to hide it all.

In any case, if we see him as real, he didn't come to die, he was murdered for shining his light and may have known it would happen before he came, but he was such a Higher Up, he Loved enough to do the right thing anyway.

But to believe God wants sacrifice sure makes the ritual murdering bloodlines happy.



posted on Jun, 13 2013 @ 10:24 PM
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Actually what is egotistical is to believe that your creator’s hands would be tied by your angelic rebellion and there was no way for the creator to reconcile all of creation back to Himself.



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
I agree that Love did not ask for Christ to martyr himself, but that if when the stage was set, ie Virgo and the Stars were in the right place, a real Teacher or Higher Up, Family, came into the world to help. And it is possible, though the bible is all metaphor, for inner processes, and seeing them outer fundamentally turns the God of Love into the opposite of God/Goodness, which is the intent of the PTB, handing people over to a smiting Saturn/Satan, while keeping the real gnostic truth for themselves, which is so simple stuff, it doesnt take trillions of codes to deciphere the love and good works and meditation needed to awaken third eye on a givign STO Love frequency. They themselves are usually or often, dark gnostics, so they really try to hide it all.

In any case, if we see him as real, he didn't come to die, he was murdered for shining his light and may have known it would happen before he came, but he was such a Higher Up, he Loved enough to do the right thing anyway.

But to believe God wants sacrifice sure makes the ritual murdering bloodlines happy.


For sure. Thanks for your esoteric view of things. All so called believers should open their eyes. Especially the single one.

But they will not even try to understand what Jesus was saying with this and the churches will certainly not teach them.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

Regards
DL



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by guitarplayer
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Actually what is egotistical is to believe that your creator’s hands would be tied by your angelic rebellion and there was no way for the creator to reconcile all of creation back to Himself.


No argument.

No only tied but we now have a God who gave Satan the power to deceive us all and put him in Eden where he could do the most damage.

Seems like the satanic angels won the war. They sure got all the benefits of the winning side.

That or God is just too stupid for words.

Regards
DL



posted on Jun, 14 2013 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by Greatest I am

Originally posted by guitarplayer
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Actually what is egotistical is to believe that your creator’s hands would be tied by your angelic rebellion and there was no way for the creator to reconcile all of creation back to Himself.


No argument.

No only tied but we now have a God who gave Satan the power to deceive us all and put him in Eden where he could do the most damage.

Seems like the satanic angels won the war. They sure got all the benefits of the winning side.

That or God is just too stupid for words.

Regards
DL


It may seem like it but the war is not over yet.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by littled16
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Do you have children? How about parents?

Is it egotistical to know that either of my parents would give their lives for me? Is it egotistical for my children to know that I would give my life for them? Is it egotistical for my grandchild to know that her mother, grandparents and great-grandparents would give their lives for her? Or is knowing such things just being secure with unconditional love?



I believe the question he is asking is: Would you kill your son to save your cat? If we are mere pets to a god, would he sacrifice his son for us? Even if we were equal to Jesus, the question would then be, would you kill your son for your mother or brother? On all points the answer would be no.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by jiggerj

I believe the question he is asking is: Would you kill your son to save your cat? If we are mere pets to a god, would he sacrifice his son for us? Even if we were equal to Jesus, the question would then be, would you kill your son for your mother or brother? On all points the answer would be no.


It's a different situation in that Jesus was sacrificed for the sake of the entire world, not for only a cat, a mother or a brother- not to mention the fact that upon his death he was reunited with his Father in Heaven. Also there are many who believe that Jesus was in fact the spirit of God made flesh and if that was the case he would be giving himself up to sacrifice. I try to look at it from a completely human perspective: If the house caught fire and one child is in one room and 3 other children are in another room and you can only rescue the occupant(s) of one of the rooms before the entire house goes up in flames which do you save? The one child or the three? A heartbreaking decision no matter what. So if you were God (don't worry, I know how you feel but this is hypothetical) and you loved all of mankind as your children and you could save the one child or you could save millions if not billions of children but not both which would you choose?



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 11:00 AM
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Accepting a God that would sacrifice His son, is the very serious soul trap the bloodlines run here. The actual bible is code for inner journey work. Genesis 32 30, pineal being the city Jacob met God, Christ saying, if your eye be single.....Is Ra El.....the whole thing is put out in plain sight.

For their zillion codes, from dark side to STO and LOVE side (which is the actual Christ) its all there in the bible, including how to lay seige to all souls, and prevent their awakening, prevent gentiles from becoming Israelites and seekers. by ritual sacrifices of your own family and others, to lower frequency ,portal in badguys and become wise world misrulers and mismanagement slavers who work at preventing souls from awakening.

Deuteronomy 28:53-57

Note that the sensitive woman doesnt have sensitive heart and compassion like the word actually means, oh no, she's so sensitive she can't put her foot on the ground without bruising (the princess and the pea!)

That passage is a direct message to Royalty and rulers, and comes from the dark magicians of ancient mesopatamia and babylon, egypt.

The bible is quite a code book.

Best to seek only LOVE in it and not attempt to wear all the hats.

God is Love, does not change hats, and does not sacrifice. Baal and Saturn and the Annanuki, asked for worship and animal/human sacrifices. Satanists sacrifice......God does not.

Hero's often will give their lives to save another, but if they stand in the line of fire, its called murder, not sacrifice. So Christ was murdered, if the story means that.

They're very clever guys the authors of scripture, and not off any hooks. Writing on the one hand to hide the mysteries, and on the other hand to ensnare people and turn their allegiance from Love to the opposite of Love, is not a good task.

Gnostics were the real Christians, and there are 2 types, dark hats and real loving good people trying to purify their faults and do their mission and help others. The last is what millions of codes actually means, the very simple good news. The kingdom of heaven is within. Seek first the kingdom of heaven and all else will be given to you.

That has quite a meaning . There is even a passage in the bible that names the number of years of STO as being 6.

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posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 11:12 AM
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The number of years in STO. Well that is about the proper way of waking up the pineal/pituatary and thalamus. Not cheating and forcing it awake on a lower frequency hellzone type hz. Which is what dark magician mismanagement team people at the top do.

The actual hidden codes are so simple: LOVE LOVE LOVE!! STO, help others. Overcome your faults and flaws. ie if you are cranky with others, impatient and not a good listener, learn to overcome this through meditation. The waters of baptism and being born again happen through meditation. Connect to your Spirit and to Source/Creator within. The kingdom of God is within.

Thomas:

2. Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]" ...

6. His disciples asked him and said to him, "Do you want us to fast? How should we pray? Should we give to charity? What diet should we observe?"

Jesus said, "Don't lie, and don't do what you hate, because all things are disclosed before heaven. After all, there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and there is nothing covered up that will remain undisclosed." ...

Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]."

These relate to the journey. The inner and outer, is our conscious awareness, the dumbed down part of our soul that deals with the world around us without our memories. It is very connected to the Left hemisphere of the brain. It is FATHER.

The inner subconscious co-creates the reality around you, is connected to both your inner body/dna/health and also to SOUL, and right hemisphere. It is MOTHER.

The pineal is Mother IS, the pituatary is Father, RA, and when those 2 awaken in STO and LOVE avoiding all codes and mystery school programming and see through the coding of the world, (even beyond what I'm writing, just its a state of being doing good,, working on yourself and being Loving) then you thalamus Third Eye awaken on the Higher frequency of Joy/Happiness/STO/Love and Heaven/Home, and the son of man becomes the son of God, EL. IS RA EL.

Inner not outer.

The Kingdom of Heaven is within you, and then all else will be added means this:

When you are waking up, meditate, heal, correct your flaws, STO, and do this for years, the code is 6 in the bible. Then in time the awakening will occur. As you overturn all negative flaws and thinking you BELIEVE in Good and Happiness and having all lessons occur in Happiness and Postivity you imprint this on your Subconscious and the world around you becomes positive.

We Bring Heaven To Earth! We become the Sons of God. We activate our soul skillls.

Now if only they would teach people the right way, rather than this fundmental dark hat stuff they have everyone roped into.

As a former Catholic then Protestant, finally gnostic Christian, cannot understand why so many Christians read words fundamentally, feel the sting in their heart, ignore it, and then run with a smiting, judging God who could sacrifice their son. NO LOVE DOESN'T. It does all things LOVINGLY and in POSITIVE WAYS.

When your heart is troubled stop what you're doing and seek within as to why. Use discernment when you read the bible.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 11:40 AM
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Gospel of Thomas: 6. His disciples asked him and said to him, "Do you want us to fast? How should we pray? Should we give to charity? What diet should we observe?"

Jesus said, "Don't lie, and don't do what you hate, because all things are disclosed before heaven. After all, there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and there is nothing covered up that will remain undisclosed." ...

This is something I forgot to bring up, and it relates to the Waking Up process, and Becoming, also to the Kingdom of God within us and our connection to Source and Higher Self and whether or not we're alligning to real God meaning Highest Love and Goodness in existance, or giving permissions to fall under the demiurge instead. And breaking free of the demiurge is as simple as changing your mind. Changing your mind relates to the state of your mind/spirit, positivity and to the passage quoted above.

What does it mean?

Well do we think negative, or do we think positive?

Do we think that there is a god that demands we give him allegiance and then fasts, and wails and thumps ourselves on the head to become worthy, treat ourselves as worms and dirt? Is this smiting harsh god/demiurge positive?

Now instead picture your family, or if it didn't have positive healing happy moments, try to imagine a happy, warm loving family:

Where it is safe to be you. Where you can grow and learn in a loving accepting safe enviroment and where your errors and mistakes are quickly forgiven, where your parents teach you to problem solve and lend your gifts to projects and help others, and encourage healing, happiness, and joy. Where all things are created in healing and beauty. A good family.

God is like that.

The Kingdom of Heaven is Like That.

We need to do things in safety, beauty, happiness and joy. Your enviro should be positive and Loving and Happy. You need to bring Heaven and Happiness and Positive Solutions to earth with dignity and confidence, and self esteem and extend to all others, nudge them to do the same.

We're to grow and learn in Positive.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 12:10 PM
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Is it egotistical to think that a God would die for you?

If a God expected 'love' from His creation, then He'd better be willing to experience our misery and die for us. Otherwise, it's just fear and the attitude of slaves towards a master that He could expect to receive from us.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 01:19 PM
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So if you were God (don't worry, I know how you feel but this is hypothetical) and you loved all of mankind as your children and you could save the one child or you could save millions if not billions of children but not both which would you choose?


To answer you flat out, of course I would save the millions.

However, you phrased the question in a way that leaves it open for debate. I mean, if I were an all-powerful god I wouldn't have sacrificed Jesus. I would have found a way to get my message across in an utterly non-violent way.

And, as a human, I LOVE my daughter! Could I sacrifice her to save millions? I really don't think so. People will make more babies, but I can't make more of her.



posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 02:51 PM
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I understand your point of view jiggerj. I'm not so sure I could give up one of my kids or my grandkid even to save everyone else in the whole world. I'm an imperfect human and I'm selfish, not to mention that while I may love my fellow man it doesn't compare with the love I have for my own family- that's probably why I was never elected God.



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