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None have tasted death at this time. Everyone who has lived and died are in some form of soul sleep. John clearly stated that none have ascended
except He who has descended first and that is Christ. There are no humans in heaven at this time. There is no one in hell either since the final
judgment has not occurred.
Source -1611 King James Bible
Not intended to argue but only my understanding.
(42) And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. (43) And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt
thou be with me in paradise.
Jesus promised His companion to be with Him in paradise that very day that they both would die.
The word paradise in NT is used only three times. This would be the first of the three.
2nd Corinthians 12:2-4
(2) I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; such
an one caught up to the third heaven. (3) And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; (4) How that
he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Paradise is shown to be in the third heaven. This tells me that Jesus' companion was brought up to the third heaven that day that he died beside
Jesus. This is the second time that paradise is used.
Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of
life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Paradise which is located in the third heaven contains the trees and water of life. This is the third time the word paradise is used in this bible.
Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits,
and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
The tree of life is for the living. Not the dead.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the
Read the entire 22nd chapter to truly understand.
The tree and water of celestial life is located in paradise which is located in the third heaven and is New Jerusalem. By this I understand that the
companion of Jesus was given conscious everlasting celestial life that same day he died with Jesus.
It is believed to be true that while Jesus was alive that no man had as yet ascended into heaven simply because the kingdom of heaven (New Jerusalem)
was not offered as yet with the new covenant of Christ Jesus. The kingdom of heaven was established as Jesus sealed the new covenant with His blood.
All covenants between God and men are sealed with blood which is the life of creation.
As a person now will die, that person is immediately judged in a conscious state and sentenced to either New Jerusalem or Sheol (hell). That is the
doctrine of Jesus. Rabbinic doctrine is altogether different than Christ's doctrine. Rabbinic doctrine does not offer paradise as is understood in
the KJV bible.