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Undeniable Proof of Intelligent Design.

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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 09:41 PM
And from the very very


to the very very small..

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by squiz

Decades of confounding experiments have physicists considering a startling possibility: The universe might not make sense.
However, in order for the Higgs boson to make sense with the mass (or equivalent energy) it was determined to have, the LHC needed to find a swarm of other particles, too. None turned up.
With the discovery of only one particle, the LHC experiments deepened a profound problem in physics that had been brewing for decades. Modern equations seem to capture reality with breathtaking accuracy, correctly predicting the values of many constants of nature and the existence of particles like the Higgs. Yet a few constants — including the mass of the Higgs boson — are exponentially different from what these trusted laws indicate they should be, in ways that would rule out any chance of life, unless the universe is shaped by inexplicable fine-tunings and cancellations.
The LHC will resume smashing protons in 2015 in a last-ditch search for answers. But in papers, talks and interviews, Arkani-Hamed and many other top physicists are already confronting the possibility that the universe might be unnatural.
Physicists reason that if the universe is unnatural, with extremely unlikely fundamental constants that make life possible, then an enormous number of universes must exist for our improbable case to have been realized. Otherwise, why should we be so lucky? Unnaturalness would give a huge lift to the multiverse hypothesis, which holds that our universe is one bubble in an infinite and inaccessible foam.
The energy built into the vacuum of space (known as vacuum energy, dark energy or the cosmological constant) is a baffling trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion times smaller than what is calculated to be its natural, albeit self-destructive, value. No theory exists about what could naturally fix this gargantuan disparity. But it’s clear that the cosmological constant has to be enormously fine-tuned to prevent the universe from rapidly exploding or collapsing to a point. It has to be fine-tuned in order for life to have a chance.
Now, physicists say, the unnaturalness of the Higgs makes the unnaturalness of the cosmological constant more significant.

Notice the escape clause to extend the probabilty argument?

"then an enormous number of universes must exist for our improbable case to have been realized. Otherwise, why should we be so lucky?"

Why else indeed, never mind that big fat elephant in the room.

So let me get this straight..

When they finally squeeze out the illusive Higgs Boson aka The God Particle, in the hope of upholding the Standard Model of Physics, while it does that, nevertheless it points to God of all things as a fine-tuner from an initial cause, so the scientists immediately posit the notion, or the theory, that there must be an infinite number of failed universes wherein ours just happens to be the one with life as we know it, or we wouldn't be here to observe it in the first place. An "escape clause" as you call it. It's pretty funny when you really think about it..

And if it were so, amid all that failure, time and time again in eternity, why would "it" be so persistent, as if willing to succeed at all cost, even at the cost of an infinite amount of failed starts, that's quite the urge to be creative if you ask me, especially when framed in an eternity which is a rather long time to say the least to eventually succeed where every other universe failed

That's hilarious, you see, because even by their account it STILL points to God or an intelligent first/last cause! And here we are joining the circle. Is that not co-creative and participatory? Is it therefore not meaningful and significant?

Are they saying that this universe is absurd and meaningless because it's so perfectly ordered and fine tuned.. (huh?) or, if meaningful, then at best only when framed relative to an infinite ocean of absurdities and impossibilities, all to avoid the obvious elephant in the room, a superintelligent designer.

Those scientists are a RIOT!

Bump post for consideration (things progressed rather fast and furiously, so this might have gotten overlooked).



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posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 09:51 PM
reply to post by NewAgeMan

Yeah...Just the way that gravity works in conjunction to tides is amazing to me...Even if only one small thing changed, life on earth would be drastically different, or even nonexistant....

Granted, this isn't going to convince anyone....and then again, what would?


posted on Jun, 6 2013 @ 10:44 PM
reply to post by Agree2Disagree

I agree, but I'm pretty sure life would exist.
I stated that more than once. I wish we were avian rather than simian though.

posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 12:06 AM
reply to post by Phage

If there is a God, in creating the human being "he" surely well knew, in advance, that if people could fly, it would be a real mess. He seems to have known even more about our nature than that, to the degree that well, you know the story..

posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 12:06 AM
reply to post by NewAgeMan

if people could fly, it would be a real mess

You're wrong. It would be cool.

posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 01:29 AM
reply to post by Phage

Of course I do know what you mean, I'm an avid bird observer myself, I've seen those free flying seagull games high above the towers of downtown Vancouver "working the updrafts" [segull cry here for appropriate word] like Jonathan Livingston Seagull pushing the boundaries of what's possible, and I've watched crows doing extraordinarily intelligent things, engaged independently or in twos during the day and then in the evening flying in flocks that appear to go on forever, and the chirping of birds, it's much more than mere mating rituals, they're talking and celebrating the day and singing God's praises (the real God, not a religious conception but an actual experience). They celebrate each day, and even seem to mourn the setting sun. Avian life is good. They are well fed, and don't have to "gather into barns" (I had to throw that in there), and are entirely free flying. It would be very liberating to be a bird or better yet as you imagine a sentient avian being, with wings to fly.

However, while It would be VERY cool, for many, it would not be, for all, and for some it might and would likely have rather tragic consequences and that's what I mean by a real mess at least here on earth if people could fly. In the USA, obesity alone would "ground" people, often permanently, by the the many millions, that's just one example of many, in an earth-based context. (LOL!)

However, the evolutionary adaptation of flight is probably one of, if not THE most useful in regards to survival relative to ground-based predators. They come at you, you just take off!

Lots of time flying around freely to think freely also, and ride the wind and the spirit both at the same time.

And since for a galaxy such as the Milky Way, we have at least ONE prime and apparently perfect example of what a galaxy can produce, it's not hard to speculate what might be occurring in other galaxies, at least once, on average, at the very least - and so therefore it's not the least bit unreasonable to think that there is such a thing in the universe -- a highly evolved sentient, self aware, avian being.

But in their deepest dreams, might not one of them also, just like you, not long some day to be an erect bipedal, tool and language using hominid (not "semian", that was one stage back). Funny I just heard the call of seagulls out my office tower window, probably as if to say, "No, we can speak too.." lol

There's more in store, and what we DO have in store here in the Milky Way Galaxy, is about the most astonishing thing that a person or anyone anywhere could possibly imagine - the actual manifestation of life itself.

"No eye has seen nor ear heard, nor the mind of man conceived, what God has in store for the faithful" (or "those who love him")

That, in and of itself means that anything is possible and therefore that you might very well just get your wish in some way or another because what we ask for with all our heart probably takes shape somewhere down the line so I'm in with you on this one, Phage, I'm also for it.

What's bound on earth is bound in heaven also, and so maybe we'll meet again as if for the first time in ______ ("word" for "person") in the midst of a flock of _________s on ______ in _______ (place galaxy name here).

But are you saying that we should not BE what we are? (human)?

Do you regret it? Being human? Did God make a mistake, make junk in your opinion? What do you think of the phenomenon of man and the true nature of the human being? An animal, a thing, nothing more? You gotta be kidding right?

Best regards,


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posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 02:01 AM

"God made your spirit with wings to fly in the spacious firmament of love and freedom. How pitiful then would it be if you were to lob off your wings by your own hand and suffer yourself to crawl like vermin upon the earth?"

~ Khalil Gibran, from "The Prophet"

posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 03:37 AM

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by NewAgeMan

if people could fly, it would be a real mess

You're wrong. It would be cool.

Yup imagine doing this on the way to work

posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 12:18 AM
reply to post by boymonkey74

I'm the one who gave you a star btw because it illustrated my point perfectly, and was almost exactly the type of image and senario I had in mind, eerily and synchronistically so even.

Somewhere out there though, over the rainbow maybe..

posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 12:36 AM
What an extraordinary thread.

I promise to return and present the other info I promised including evidence that the speed of light might be encoded in the Great Pryamid of Cheops (sounds cool), and then we'll look at the Megalithic Yard, evidence for it, how it's made, and then finally I'll present a whole series of very interesting "coincidences" in regards to the moon earth sun relationship to provide still further evidence of intelligent design in that configuration.

Best regards,


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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 12:40 AM
reply to post by NewAgeMan

I can hardly wait.
Please be sure to address these articles in your treatise on the megalithic yard.

posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 09:21 PM
We'll get to the megalithic yard and there is evidence to show that it was employed in ancient times. Once brought into evidence, it's use shows a surprising series of "coincidences" in terms of the moon / earth / sun relationship.

For now I offer this for consideration

The Great Pyramid encodes enormous amount of numerical coincidences ( pi, Phi, dimensions and movement of our planet, axial tilt, precession, speed of light, and more…)
We can only wonder if the ancient architects were fully aware of these special numbers encoded in their design — or are these numbers simply the result of selecting 2 numbers (7 and 11) for proportions for the Great Pyramid???

For the Great Pyramid, Base to Height Ratio 440/280 is exactly 11/7

It is simply unbelievable, however ALL of these numerical coincidences are result of selecting just 4 numbers for the pyramid design: 7, 11 (height to base ratio), 40 (the scale factor), and the 4th key number is the value of the measuring unit: Royal Cubit = 20.62 ” = 0.524 m.

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IMPORTANT: Using Content From Other Websites on ATS
MOD NOTE: Posting work written by others

Sorry I wasn't trying to plagiarize, badly composed will do better next time.

Wanted to add this photo

Radius of Earth plus Radius of Moon = 5,040 miles = 14 x 360 =
=1 x 2 x 3 x 4 x 5 x 6 x (14/2) = 7 x 8 x 9 x 10
(Actual 5043.197 miles )

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posted on Jun, 8 2013 @ 11:34 PM
So the question then becomes first whether there is any correlation between the Egyptian Royal Cubit, the Meter, the Foot, and the Mile, and if there is such a thing as the Megalithic Yard, what if any correlation it might have to these other measuring systems. You know this topic in and of itself would make for an interesting thread.

In answer to this question, the following 9 page article Was our solar system designed to produce humans? covers all the bases.

Was our solar system designed to produce humans?
By Christopher Knight and Alan Butler

It is strange where research can lead you.

More than a decade has passed since we joined forces to try and find out if there was any reality to a claim that highly accurate units of length had been in used during the British Neolithic. We found that these supposedly primitive people were using a highly developed science that connected them to the rhythms of the Earth.

This led us on to realise that the science used by these Neolithic people did not die out as we first assumed. In our most recent book - Before the Pyramids, we have uncovered rock-solid evidence that the powers-that-be in Washington DC - in the Whitehouse, the US military and the highest levels of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry are aware of, and secretly celebrating this ancient system of science.

But our biggest personal challenge has been to face up to the consequences of our own findings; because they have brought us to the point where we have found compelling evidence that our planet and its environment has been carefully designed for us. Stranger still there appears to be a message built into the very fabric of the solar system itself.

This was not a finding that we had looked for, or even cared for. We are very pragmatic people working in an area of ancient research that is specialised and very sober. Here was an idea that was apparently outrageous - but apparently inescapable.

In early 2009 we had decided to revisit all of out findings that had resulted in three joint books plus one still in draft manuscript form (now published). We were troubled because, despite one of us being an agnostic and the other an atheist, we could not escape the conclusion that we were looking at a message from what we called the UCA (Unknown Creative Agency) that had designed our solar system and all life on Earth.

Then in late November 2009 we were contacted by David Cumming, an expert in AI (artificial intelligence) who had studied our evidence in great detail and independently came to the same conclusion. He claimed that it formed an equation that is a very clear message from the creator.

That equation has been refined to:

see article to read it (didn't come out as a pic sorry)

We will describe the mathematics at the end of this article, but the important point is this:

Hlf.π is the specification of the SETI Communications frequency for extraterrestrial messages based on a galactic aspect of the hydrogen atom. This shouts, "Pay attention - this is a message".

Ω are the numerals of the base ten counting system. This states; "ten-fingered humans I am talking to you".

The left-hand side of the equation equal's the right-hand side, which is the speed of light in a vacuum measured in Thoms per second (Earth/Moon/Sun harmonic units). This says, "the message is from the creator" (because the speed of light is the most significant physical reality in the universe).

Is this credible?

The facts behind it certainly are. But we thought we should go back to retrace some of our key findings over the years to help you decide.



A frame 1/366th of the horizon angled to time a star.

This proved to be spot on. A pendulum that beat 366 times during one 366th of the Earth's turn was, much to our joy and amazement, half a Megalithic Yard in length! A circle scribed by such a pendulum would have a diameter of one Megalithic Yard. Archie Roy, emeritus professor of astronomy at Glasgow University (and a friend of the late Alexander Thom) joined us to give a public demonstration of how the Megalithic Yard is a product of measured observational astronomy.

We later refined the timing method, having realised that the Megalithic astronomers had improved their own accuracy by using the movement of the planet Venus at certain times rather than a star. Gordon Freeman, a distinguished professor of chemical physics and a much-published amateur archaeologist specialising in the Megalithic structures, was impressed with this saying; "Tying the MY to Venus path arcsecond is a major discovery. I'm an admirer of Thom, but was neutral about the MY. Now I'm a convert".

Alexander Thom had been right all along because the chances of this technique producing a perfect fit for his unit could not be a coincidence. But there was more - much more to this system. Given that the builders of these Megalithic sites some 5,000 years ago used a 366-degree circle caused us to look at the Earth itself. Taking the polar circumference as the text book 40,000,000 metres we turned it into Megalithic units and found was this:

- Earth's polar circumference = 40,000,000 metres

- 1 Megalithic degree (1/366th) = 109290 metres

- 1 Megalithic minute of arc (1/60th) = 1822 metres

- 1 Megalithic second of arc (1/6th) = 303.6 metres

Now, 303.6 metres for a second of arc may look a little boring but it is 366 Megalithic Yards. The actual figure is 829.5 mm, which is nicely with Alexander Thom's definition of 829.7 +/- 0.5 mm.

We now call this beautifully geodetic unit from the 366 system a 'Thom' (Th) to differentiate it from the arguably very slightly less accurate Megalithic Yard.

The Megalithic second of arc appears to have been adopted by the Minoan culture of Create some 4,000 years ago. The palaces of Crete were carefully surveyed by Canadian archaeologist, J. W. Graham who identified a standard unit he called 'the Minoan foot', which was 30.36cm. It follows that 1,000 of these feet make precisely one Megalithic second of arc. A decimalised version of what was already an ancient measure.

Even earlier the Egyptian culture had adopted units driven by the same thinking. They took the Megalithic Yard and made it the circumference of a circle. The diameter of that circle was called a royal cubit and the hypotenuse of a square from that diameter was called a remen.

How to create your own Magalithic Yard
The Mystery of the Megalithic Yard Revealed.

Megalithic Yard

A Megalithic Yard is a unit of measurement, about 2.72 feet (0.83 m),[1][2][3] that some researchers believe was used in the construction of megalithic structures. The proposal was made by Alexander Thom as a result of his surveys of 600 megalithic sites in England, Scotland, Wales and Britanny.[4] Thom additionally proposed the Megalithic Rod of 2.5 MY[5] and suggested the Megalithic Rod could be divided into one hundred and the Meglithic Yard divided into forty, which he called the Megalithic Inch of 2.073 centimetres (0.816 in). Thom applied the statistical lumped variance test of J.R. Broadbent[6] on this quantum and found the results significant[7] while others have challenged his statistical analysis and suggested that Thom's evidence can be explained in other ways, for instance the average length of a pace.

Thom suggested that "There must have been a headquarters from which standard rods were sent out but whether this was in these islands or on the Continent the present investigation cannot determine."[8]
Margaret Ponting has suggested that artefacts such as a marked bone found during excavations at Dail Mòr near Callanish, the Patrickholme bone bead from Lanarkshire and Dalgety bone bead from Fife in Scotland have shown some evidence of being measuring rods based on the Megalithic Yard in Britain.[9] An Oak rod from the Iron Age fortified settlement at Borre Fen mearured 53.15 inches (135.0 cm) with marks dividing it up into eight parts of 6.64 inches (16.9 cm). Euan Mackie referred to five eights of this rod 33.2 inches (84 cm) as "very close to a megalithic yard".[10] A Hazel measuring rod recovered from a Bronze Age burial mound in Borum Eshøj, East Jutland by P. V. Glob in 1875 mearured 30.9 inches (78 cm). Keith Critchlow suggested this may have shrunk 0.63 inches (1.6 cm) from the Megalithic Yard over 3000 years.[11]

Thom made a comparison of his Megalithic Yard with the Spanish vara, the pre-metric measurement of Iberia, its value 2.7425 feet. Archaeologist Euan Mackie noticed similarities between the MY and a unit of measurement extrapolated from a long, marked shell from Mohenjo Daro and ancient measuring rods used in mining in the Austrian Tyrol.[12] He suggested similarities with other measurements such as the ancient Indian gaz and the Sumerian šu-du3-a.[12] Along with John Michell, Mackie also noted that it is the diagonal of a rectangle measuring 2 by 1 Egyptian remens.[13][14][verification needed] Jay Kappraff has noted similarity between the Megalithic Yard and the ancient Indus short yard of 33 inches (0.84 m).[15] Anne Macaulay[16] reported that the Megalithic Rod is equal in length to the Greek fathom of (2.072 metres (6.80 ft))[15] from studies by Eric Fernie of the Metrological Relief in the Ashmolean Museum, Oxford.[17]

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posted on Jun, 9 2013 @ 03:36 PM

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by grey580

To clarify still further - it's perfectly designed in favor of life as we know it.

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...or perhaps life evolved with the moon exacting it's influence in the process.

posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:02 AM
reply to post by acuna

However, you'll see, as we proceed and show all the ratios and integers as they relate the moon, earth, sun configuration, that the moon must have been created with the earth and sun already in mind and not as a result of some fluke-chance impact or double impact with some unknown mars-sized rogue planetoid as per the standard explanation. Furthermore, many of these "coincidental" relationships and integers only apply during the period of earth evolution when there are human observers to notice them.

posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 01:51 PM
reply to post by NewAgeMan

In fact the data shows that all three objects (sun earth and moon) were created with one another in mind, and therefore given the outcome with this life in mind including human life, and done in such a way that we would eventually recognize the message, if curious and objective that is. More info to follow..

posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 04:25 PM

In order to gain control of consciousness, we must learn how to moderate the biases built into the machinery of the brain. We allow a whole series of illusions to stand between ourselves and reality…. These distortions are comforting, yet they need to be seen through for the self to be truly liberated… to come ever closer to getting a glimpse of the universal order, and of our part in it.

"The Evolving Self"

posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 04:33 PM
reply to post by NewAgeMan


“Consider that you can see less than 1% of the electromagnetic spectrum and hear less than 1% of the acoustic spectrum. As you read this, you are traveling at 220 km/sec across the galaxy. 90% of the cells in your body carry their own microbial DNA and are not “you.” The atoms in your body are 99.9999999999999999% empty space and none of them are the ones you were born with, but they all originated in the belly of a star. Human beings have 46 chromosomes, 2 less than the common potato.

The existence of the rainbow depends on the conical photoreceptors in your eyes; to animals without cones, the rainbow does not exist. So you don’t just look at a rainbow, you create it. This is pretty amazing, especially considering that all the beautiful colors you see represent less than 1% of the electromagnetic spectrum.”

You see about 1% of the 0.000000000000000000000000000000001% of space "you" (as defined by the parameters described above) occupy in the observable universe. You don't possess nearly enough information to claim any kind of intelligent design. All you have is your opinion. We're more than willing to accept as much, but we'd prefer if you could admit it to yourself as well.

posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 04:47 PM
reply to post by AfterInfinity

I'm not done yet. Please try to keep an open mind. There's still another data-set to go.

There's another alternative hypothesis as well (to that of fluke/chance), and that involves the idea of cosmic evolution, except, as far as biases go.., that would place us on a cosmic mountain top as a model of perfection.

Then again since such a cosmic, evolutionary process contained embedded within it's own originating blueprint, this life, demonstrates intelligence by an anticipatory design, with intent (ie: not by accident or by chance coincidence).

It's not opinion but rational and reasonable deductive logic in the face of mounting data with still more to come.

Phage referred to what I've presented as a couple of "loose correlations", but I will and can show that there's more, much more to consider in terms of the earth-moon-sun system when evaluating this question of whether we just got lucky..?, or, are meant to be here as intended by the UCA (unknown creative agency) and therefore by intelligent design or what I would call super-infinite-intelligent design.

Best regards,


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posted on Jun, 10 2013 @ 05:09 PM
reply to post by NewAgeMan

I'm not done yet. Please try to keep an open mind. There's still another data-set to go.

23 pages and you're not done yet? Give me a break. You've dug a hole so deep it's starting to suck in light.

It's not opinion but rational and reasonable deductive logic in the face of mounting data with still more to come.

Phage chewed your hypothesis up and spit it out like the poorly prepared dish it is. Clearly, your data is of little use to those of us who prefer accuracy. But then again, you appear to be ignoring that little detail with quite some vigor. Where you see collaboration, I see extrapolation. Otherwise, you wouldn't be coming to a conspiracy forum. You'd be printing a book.

Phage referred to what I've presented as a couple of "loose correlations", but I will and can show that there's more, much more to consider in terms of the earth-moon-sun system when evaluating this question of whether we just got lucky..?, or, are meant to be here as intended by the UCA (unknown creative agency) and therefore by intelligent design or what I would call super-infinite-intelligent design.

And I'm sure he'll continue to shred your theories with actual facts. Thanks so much, Phage.

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