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Trayvon Martin: Cellphone pics of guns and drugs

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posted on May, 31 2013 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by IvanAstikov
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And me. Shouldn't they at least have been able to pick up TM's alleged "You're gonna die tonite!" threat? Is he supposed to have whispered this into George's ear while he was fondling his butt... I mean, atttempting to get his gun?





The bolded is 10/10!

And so spot on...Trayvon may as well had finger-popped George since grown-arse George is obviously a female and got beaten by a kid.

In seriousness though...how was Trayvon attempting to take George's gun? How did he know he had one? Did he at anytime prior to the altercation see or was told George had a gun? If so...that would roast George on the spot.




posted on May, 31 2013 @ 01:57 PM
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You clearly have no idea as to the use of force allowed during confrontations.

Anyone can confront anyone else.
If I confront you, because I think you are going to commit a crime, not showing a firearm and you attack, there is no problem with me shooting you. Regardless of what your intentions were/are.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
If you don't know this is the reason so many have invested heavily in George, then you have been blind. However, I guess you are well aware of this.

What do you mean 'invested in'?? People here are just talking about the case. Talking about what happened. It's a chat site. How are people here 'invested in' Zimmerman?? I don't get it.




Well there are people and organizations who have donated money to his defense. For a while (before they saw the writing on the wall) the NRA were supporting George.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


You mean to tell me that you would not confront someone who is following you? Coward...Martin stood his ground and was killed for it. Zimmerman will go to jail,,the facts show he followed a kid he assumed was up to no good...now how did he assume that? How did he know that the kid was not a relative of any of the neighbors there..there were black neighbors there but he also could have been friends or related to some of the white folks there. Did he know Martin's dad?

He was an unofficial neighborhood watch...since the tenants did not want him watching out for them.

George Zimmerman not a member of recognized neighborhood watch organization




the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch — it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization. Zimmerman violated the central tenets of Neighborhood Watch by following Martin, confronting him and carrying a concealed weapon.


George Zimmerman Neighbors Complained About Aggressive Tactics Before Trayvon Martin Killing




At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role.



This idiot was looking for trouble..seems to have found but got his butt handed to him...so his cowardly ass pulled out a gun to help himself.




Way to come thru and crush the buildings! I give you 10/10 for bringing all this logic!



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


You mean to tell me that you would not confront someone who is following you? Coward...Martin stood his ground and was killed for it. Zimmerman will go to jail,,the facts show he followed a kid he assumed was up to no good...now how did he assume that? How did he know that the kid was not a relative of any of the neighbors there..there were black neighbors there but he also could have been friends or related to some of the white folks there. Did he know Martin's dad?

He was an unofficial neighborhood watch...since the tenants did not want him watching out for them.

George Zimmerman not a member of recognized neighborhood watch organization




the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch — it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization. Zimmerman violated the central tenets of Neighborhood Watch by following Martin, confronting him and carrying a concealed weapon.


George Zimmerman Neighbors Complained About Aggressive Tactics Before Trayvon Martin Killing




At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role.



This idiot was looking for trouble..seems to have found but got his butt handed to him...so his cowardly ass pulled out a gun to help himself.


LOL - nice spin. You're article is based on an email supposedly from a nearby resident who wished to remain anonymous claiming GZ was the object of complaints by neighbors. I notice you left this part out:



A member of the homeowner’s association board, who asked not to be quoted by name, said she “hadn’t heard about any complaints” about Zimmerman.


Love the article btw. So biased and one-sided other than the part you conveniently left out it's comical. Even complete with TM at 11yrs old holding up a baby, among other pictures of him as a small child.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by Baddguy

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 


You clearly have never been in a fight.

I have personally called for help and had people call out for help during fights.



maybe cause your not that strong? i mean ive been jumped plenty times and never calle dfor help and im 5'7 150 lls you ever call for the help of your gun while fighting??
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Don't really know what you are trying to get at.

I have yet to meet anyone that is unbeatable in a fight. For someone to claim they have been in fights, and to never have been beaten is a liar.

As for calling on a gun? You mean drawing my sidearm??? Sure have, but not on fights I have started.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by kerazeesicko
 


You clearly have no idea as to the use of force allowed during confrontations.

Anyone can confront anyone else.
If I confront you, because I think you are going to commit a crime, not showing a firearm and you attack, there is no problem with me shooting you. Regardless of what your intentions were/are.



you have a coward mindset...regardless of what the intentions were/are...there is no problem shooting...an unarmed person????????

and i never said i havent been beaten...i said ive never called for help even if i was jumped by multiple people
edit on 31-5-2013 by Baddguy because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
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Zimmerman following Martin like that was a VERY stupid thing to do.
If someone were doing that to me I'd be calling the cops on him.

But the crime was the actual confrontation
Either Zimmerman jumped Martin ... making Zimmerman the perp.
Or Martin jumped Zimmerman ... making Martin the perp.

If there were a law against stupidity causing a deadly situation .. Zimmerman would be guilty for sure.

I'm thinking Zimmerman will get manslaughter. That'd be my guess.
I have no idea who jumped who ... but I think that's the way it'll go down.
Punishment for being stupid and following Martin around when he should have
just left it alone. Even though it technically wasn't illegal for him to do so.






That's all I'm saying, of course he won't get murder. He's going to be convicted for being stupid and a precedent such as his shooting a unarmed person CAN'T be set in this country by civilians.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid
His "stupidity" caused the death of another human,

Sure. Absolutely.

Z is not a judge and can not dole out a death sentence.

You assume ZImmerman took the law into his own hands and shot Martin without
Martin jumping him first? Okay ... maybe/maybe not. that's the whole question
in the case, right? Who jumped who ...

Z put HIMSELF in that position, TM didn't.

Sure, none of it would have happened if Zimmerman had stayed in the car. But it wasn't illegal for him to be stupid and follow Martin. And having someone follow you isn't a legal reason to beat that persons head in.

Nor would any reasonable person think he would have.

so those who disagree with your position that Martin was totally innocent are unreasonable? Okay ...

Z was the aggressor. He instigated the confrontation.

Yep. But again .. I know of no law that says that makes him guilty of murder. If you know of one, please educate us all and post it.

I believe 2nd degree murder is the right call.

I'll wait to see the court evidence before I say something is 'the right call'.
What I think will happen ... manslaughter. I don't know if that's 'right' or not.
From what I understand, Manslaughter is used when someone causes another
person to die, but that wasn't the intent. Accidents and when things get out of
hand .. that kind of thing.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:03 PM
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Two things that merged here Profiling and Stand Your Ground Law the results could not end well, If Martin had a gun and shot GZ he would be doing hard time or looking at a death penalty all that would be needed is a Facebook pic of him with his gun while smoking weed..Georgie boy would be remembered as a pillar of society and model citizen.
Lemme just say this "I almost wished" that Black and other minority cops would profile random white males by pulling up in unmarked cars cuffing them going through their pockets asking where they are going and crap like that,then without even the courtesy of saying sorry for the inconvenience you are free to go,they uncuffed you and tell you get outta here,imagine that occurring almost on a daily basis... better yet head down to Wall St. and do random search on suited types I'll bet they find copious amount of drugs ,that won't happen and profiling would ceased inna quick min,but like I said I almost wished that would happen, would not want to see any of my boyz who are white being treated thus.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:03 PM
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I have been in plenty of fights as a kid...I have never heard another person cry out for help...men..well most men have too much pride to do that. I have won a few and lost a few and have never cried for help or heard the other person yell for it...some have said get him of me...asking his boys....then I usually get my ass whooped by him and his friends..
Guess what I survived.

While crying for help Mac...Did you also ask to be held...



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Why do you people keep talking about crap that don't matter.

Judge denies delay, bars evidence in George Zimmerman trial — for now




A Florida judge ruled Tuesday that George Zimmerman’s defense team cannot mention Trayvon Martin’s suspension from school, prior marijuana use, text messages or past fighting during opening statements at next month’s trial. Judge Debra Nelson said that during the trial she will consider motions to admit details as evidence on a case-by-case basis, outside the presence of jurors who will decide if Zimmerman is guilty of second-degree murder in the shooting death of Martin.


Now how are they going to find relevance? Zimmerman knew nothing of these priors before he met Martin..so where is the relevance?

There is no relevance to anything Martin did in the past...concerning Zimmerman.




Aww man you're killing them LOL.......



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:05 PM
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Nope, no problem here. If I did not start the fight, and an unarmed person attacks me??? I would not loose any sleep over it.

Maybe don't attack people. Has nothing to do with being a coward. I just know that anyone can be beat in a fist fight.

You may want to go toe to toe with someone in an attempt to prove your "manliness", but my life is more important that the other persons.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
So you are saying..you are being followed and your reaction as a man...would be to run to a group to be safe...


I hope you are laughing at yourself. I'm a WOMAN. A bit old and not healthy.
And it's common sense to try NOT to pop off a few rounds into another human
being if you can defuse the situation first by finding a non-lethal means.

:shk: Gawd ....



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 


You clearly have never been in a fight.

I have personally called for help and had people call out for help during fights.





While you are being impacted you are not calling for help...you are stunned and thinking survival.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by Baddguy

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 


You clearly have never been in a fight.

I have personally called for help and had people call out for help during fights.



maybe cause your not that strong? i mean ive been jumped plenty times and never calle dfor help and im 5'7 150 lls you ever call for the help of your gun while fighting??[editby]edit on 31-5-2013 by Baddguy because: (no reason given)




Thanks alot, I just spit all over my computer................ROFLMAO!!!!!!



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by Tribunal
I think most people would scream "aaargh aaaaah aaargh" as a more direct indication of pain, as opposed to "no no" which is more an expression of fear like when one is about to be shot.

I think I'd be capable of doing both ....
I hope that I don't ever have to find out.

Anyways .. the FBI said they don't know if it's Martins voice or Zimmermans.
IF they could figure it out .. it woud pretty much make the case for one side or the other.
(I would guess)



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by kerazeesicko
 


You clearly have no idea as to the use of force allowed during confrontations.

Anyone can confront anyone else.
If I confront you, because I think you are going to commit a crime, not showing a firearm and you attack, there is no problem with me shooting you. Regardless of what your intentions were/are.



What if Zimmerman followed you and grabbed you?

All we know for sure is that Zimmerman was agitated and focused on Martin. We know that he was chasing him.

Martin called his girlfriend saying he is scared because he is being followed.

The next thing we know is someone is caling for help and pleading for his life, and then a gunshot.


Zimmerman can say that Martin attacked him but there are no witnesses to confirm this.

If a strange man followed me around at night and maybe tried to stop me, I would fight too. If during the fight I discovered a gun I would try to take it away.

The point is you can't trust the shooters story and everything points to him being the aggressor.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
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I have been in plenty of fights as a kid...I have never heard another person cry out for help...men..well most men have too much pride to do that. I have won a few and lost a few and have never cried for help or heard the other person yell for it...some have said get him of me...asking his boys....then I usually get my ass whooped by him and his friends..
Guess what I survived.

While crying for help Mac...Did you also ask to be held...


Oh, I guess I have run into the internet tough guy here.

Nope, no need to be held. After i picked a fight with 3 bouncers on OSU campus, they were preparing to curb me. SO, yes I did call out for help to my friends that were with me, as I am sure you would as well. Unless you really are a reflection of your AWESOME avatar. Very scary.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Baddguy

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by kerazeesicko
 


You clearly have no idea as to the use of force allowed during confrontations.

Anyone can confront anyone else.
If I confront you, because I think you are going to commit a crime, not showing a firearm and you attack, there is no problem with me shooting you. Regardless of what your intentions were/are.



you have a coward mindset...regardless of what the intentions were/are...there is no problem shooting...an unarmed person????????

and i never said i havent been beaten...i said ive never called for help even if i was jumped by multiple people
edit on 31-5-2013 by Baddguy because: (no reason given)


You are being disingenuous. You make it sound like he executed an unarmed man who wa just standing there. He was getting his head beaten into the pavement...something any reasonable person could articulate was a life threatening situation. What justification is there for physically assaulting someone who is following you on a public street?



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