Originally posted by Brad_cf
1) im not ignorant to the world at all , & in this info age , how could one be . i work among other religous & non-religous people . JW's are not
shut-ins . we are ordinary people trying to get along in this world while living according to Gods commands
I never knew a signle JW who had even a college level knowledge of geography or political history. They are kept ignorant of history and politics.
You mention going to work with "worldy" people (as the JWs call them) but what does that matter? How hard is it to go to work? It's not like
you'll be asked to give an answer to the question: "Why is there so much conflict in the middle East?" ...Because no JW can give an answer. They
can parrot the society's answer only.
2) rightous hatred ? hating things that are un-rightous is a virtue christians have to foster - how else can you abstain from things pleasurable to
the flesh that God decrees as un-rightous , the natural path of the fleshly desires & the path God wants you to travel conflict . learning to love
that which is rightous in Gods eyes will lead you to hate that which is unrightous
It's good to have you admit that your God is a hating one. It's fairly obvious from the scriptures He left anyway, where he kills women and kids.
I guess it is true that when you conform yourselves to the Hebrew God, then you will hate what is unrighteous (not right). Like I said, everyone
who's not a JW is unrighteous.
3) we follow the bible & its teachings , people are as nice as their disposition allows them to be , some people carry around a lot of hurt , God see
this & helps us out individually . for Christians that God watches over , they recieve as they pratice the fruitages of the spirit
You follow an interpretation of the bible, carefully constructed to produce a docile and fully controlled robotic worshipper. Also these robots will
go knock on doors with the same viral message. If I sound harsh, it's because I don't see any other way to describe it. Remember, I did this work
also. I was a pioneer (aux) and I cranked up thousands of hours in "the ministry". I know exactly what is being done, in that ministry.
Love
Joy
Peace
kindness , ect ect
these are the things that JWs as a group share amongst themselves & to others - the christian way of life .
Any closed group will have super-love for the members inside. The fact that the people inside love each other means little because
in joining a
specialized group (cult), the emotions are automatically cranked up. That's one of the primary traits of a cult: Lovebombing on the inside. It
also makes the shunning even more deadly for those who are weak.
4) as christians we long for God to take back control of the world & end human misery - armageddon will be terrifying for christians as well as
unbelievers - its not an occasion for joy . we dont long for people to be wiped out . God himself , the one we are supposed to be imitating says he
wishes that no one would be destroyed
This paragraph could be analyzed and discussed for pages. I know exactly what this mind prison feels like because as a kid, I believed as you do. I
saw all the other people on Earth as not "righteous", but "doomed". I pictured myself cleaning up bodies after Armageddon. Eventually I realized
that in fact, Armageddon could simply be nuclear war, because the JWs afterward (who are left) will not know the difference and could be told
anything.
After "Armageddon/nuke war" the JWs will be in a total malleable state. They will accept any order or "New Light" which comes from the JW with
the megaphone.
saying people will be destroyed is not done out of "joyfull elietisim" , its a warning we have to share that goes along with the message of
Gods Kingdom , which is really a message of hope & love - the joyfull part will be in the earth & humanitys restoration
Oh yes, the joyful rebuilding of Earth after Jehovah wrecks it like the flood (but this time with fire and not water, right?). It'll be joyful to
pull globs of melted huddled human forms out of the ground and from under rubble? Or will there be millions of birds pulling the meat so that the
bones are nice and dry. Heck, maybe it'll be downright cheerful to pick em up, right? Picking up bones while Kingdom Melodies play in the
background?
One thing I learned, Brad, is that as a JW, I had a low opinion of others and didn't recoil at the idea of their destruction. I finally realized
YHWH would be a cruel, petulant child to destroy the Earth due to his little test. When I did this, I suddenly left a tiny cult and became a part of
the human race, feeling only love for all humans. You can too.
5) armageddon is a bible truth - only those against God hold onto hope that its make-believe . the dead will be unbelievers & those God has judged as
people who wont follow him - pray to him for guidence if you believe in him to be showen the way to avoid being included
Armageddon is a fomented, created idea. Most JWs are ignorant of the fact that both Muslims and Jews claim Abraham as their father. Muslims claim
Abraham was told by YHWH to kill Ishmael, whereas you JWs like the Jews and Christians believe it was Isaac.
The point I was making above about JWs being politically ignorant is relevant especially here, because they do not see the poltiical machinery which
is slowly grinding Armageddon to our doorstep, NOT like thief in the night. It takes more than just a few doorknockers. It takes wars and death and
political scheming to make a war in the mid-east happen. It takes lots of political planning to create Jehovah's Great Day. Actually it's turning
out to be 100% political, so the JWs should thank all the Zionists, Islamofascists and Neo-Cons for that.
Armageddon is a biblical truth so all other scriptures that predate Christ go out the window, is that right?
Originally posted by Brad_cf
the declaration of human rights
its a laudable part of the human pscyhe
Yes I am aware of the declaration. You also are aware of the anti-UN declaration which all JWs shouted "aye!" to, at the 1963 conventions?
www.jehovahs-witness.com...
WE JEHOVAH'S witnesses, met together in [City, State, Country], in one of the "Everlasting Good News" assemblies being held in a continuous chain
around
the whole world this year of 1963, do this day declare and resolve as follows:
[...]
5. THAT, in order to prevent the destruction of the nations by their own means in war, the nations further refused the surrender of their sovereignty
to God's Messianic kingdom by setting up a society of nations, which, since 1945, has taken the form and the name of the United Nations, with
international headquarters at New York city. This international organization stands for world sovereignty by political men. For years men without
faith in God's kingdom have endeavored to get all people to worship this international image of human political sovereignty as the best hope for
earthly peace and security, in fact, the last hope for humanity. To date 111 nations have given worship to this political image by becoming members
of it. However, we, as witnesses of the Sovereign God Jehovah, will continue refusing to engage in such idolatrous worship, for we see, under
angelic enlightenment, that God has smitten such idolaters with a malignant ulcer, symbolically speaking, that will spell death to them as
spiritually diseased image worshipers who worship a man-made political creation rather than the Creator of heaven and earth;
This sounds like a totally different church from the one you are describing which sees the UN human rights charter as on par with Jehovah's laws.
What a turnaround. Must have been new light, eh? But
why is some new light kept secret from the members?
This thread is about how the JWs fear the UN will put them in camps. I have shown that the Watchtower actually alternately hates the UN and colludes
with the UN as a Non Govenrmental Organization. I have posted what NGO's do, and also we can see that the Watchtower (once their NGO status was
found out) pulled their membership. If it was right to publish UN stuff and join as an NGO, then
why did they end that relationship once it was
no longer secret from the rank and file JWs? I think something fishy could be going on, and I think the good people of the Witness religion could
be caught in the crosshairs.
BTW I am not trying to make JWs look like Branch Davidians at all. You can't see it, but I am describing what the cultish "They're coming for us"
mindset is like. It's the same if it's any group that feels they will be persecuted. They will generally call that persecution down upon
themselves. This is probably the third time I've clarified this comment.
its an unpopuler message - your eanr a reputation with all those who see you as one of "those" religous bible types in your community , in other
words your correct that its unpopuler & something most people dont want to be put on the spot over - thats too bad for them
Yes, too bad for them that you are putting them on the spot at thier own doorstep, in a weakened and unprepared state. Did you really type something
this true? I am impressed.
It has been many years since the situation that I described
and I can honestly say that the only thing that it did was to make me a whole lot stronger and more skeptical of organised religions as a whole.
Personally I find it hard to believe that a God who proffesses to have so much love for man, would single out only one "faith", rather than truely
look into the hearts of the individual. Why should a person of say the "hindu" religion who has been brought up their entire lives to believe that
the way that they believe and practice is the true path to God, simply accept that their way in fact is wrong, simply on the word of someone else.
Even if the person who is sharing these revelations is also sharing scripture from their bible, for the Hindus also have their holy books that they
read and memorize. The truths to them are just as real, as the truths that the newcomer believes theirs to be. So who between the two of them is
wicked if they are serving their beliefs out of faith and love, who is worthy of destruction? Truth is relative. I don't want to be a "sheep",
sheep are dumb, they will blindly follow one another off the edge of a cliff to their destruction. I prefer to be a human with the abilities to
analyze information that is presented to me both orally and printed with a mind that is not filled with the leanings of others. I am not afraid to do
that even if it makes others feel uneasy. I don't need to feel that there is someone out there who is watching over me nor that there is some evil
force that is constantly trying to make me do evil or unhealthy things. I have learned that if I do wrong then there is only myself to blame. I feel
that we do wrong for many reasons, sometimes its due to ignorance or inexperience, but mostly it's due to selfishness, that ol' desire to satisfy
our a longings for immediate gratification, when the only way to true gratification comes from working at something for awhile, and attaining it
after we have earned it. Unfortunately I think that all religions have the same problems and that is because they are all focused on furthering the
goals of the religion and not the true needs of the individuals that make them up. Unfortunately this is the perfect for the truely defective
personalities of society to gravitate. Firstly they can give the outwardly appearance of respectability, and secondly they can try to save their soul!
I often wonder that if Christ were to see how many people had been killed in wars fought in his name, and how many people exude hatred towards other
people because they believe differently, while claiming to be following his teachings, I just wonder if he would have sacrificed himself so painfully
in such a public forum once more. I'm pretty sure that he would be brought to tears and the anguish would break his heart. For surely this is not
what he intended, it is in direct opposition to the example that he lived. I do not believe that he ever wanted to be worshipped, he was wanting his
life only to be an example; to give of yourself to others unselfishly,& if you believe in something, then believe in it wholly even unto death, Fill
your heart with love and do not judge everyone else around you as being inferior, after all we are all human, some of us are just starting out getting
to know who we are and what we beleve in, but we are still all the same. I believe that the only way to truely elevate our energy is to look deep
inside and remember back to a time or place when we knew instinctively if something was right or wrong just by the way it felt, no one needed to tell
us. If we live in accordance with that, well I believe, that is the example that Christ gave to us that is the true secret to life and living
successfully. Well, now you have my philosophy, it works for me and it isn't dependent on someone elses approval. Just thought I would share it with
all of you.:roll
