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Jehovah's Witnesses believe UN will ban Religion

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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 08:09 AM

Originally posted by Xcouncil=wisdom
reply to post by smallpeeps

I think I see your point that there is a lack of real faith and as such most religions are effectively dead?

I also think that there are a about 14 million jews a couple billion christians and a 1 and a half billion muslims almost a billion hindu's and buddhists and even half a million wiccans who would probably dissagree with your assertion. (the vision of the harlot...babylon the great is supposed to represent the world empire of false I'm gonna put all of these in that basket) I don't know how accurate this source is, but for the purpose of the argument...I'd say its good enough.

Let's use your numbers there...

Jews: 14 million (Yes but they've been hollowed out by the talmudists European crypto-Judeans such that their whole tribe has a crosshairs on their head. Israel is doomed with their current Masada-like suicide program. Only individual Judaists with the right heart, who can listen to Moses' spirit and detach, will survive the coming Masada moment. Remember that the crypto-rabbis have a habit of massacring half their tribe to make the other half richer as with Bar Kokchba in Jesus' era and Hitler's camps and xfer agreement.)

Muslims: 500 million (Totally inflamed and frenzied, again, these are intended to be lost during the immolation with Israeli forces. These two tribes have been orbiting each other for 3000 years+. As Pike explained, the Muslims will be the final religion standing, then their tribe will become the world army of Satan and any good Muslims who resist, will be liquidated or camped/gulag'd)

Hindu: 1000 million (I love the Hindus but they also have quite a bloodlust to satisfy toward Pakistan for example, a completely fabricated nation of Muslims right next to India. Pakistan was created imo, to build a suitable force for Islam to occupy Kashmir (done) and then proceed into the great war between Muslim and Hindu. Again, these tribes of Pakistan and India have long old bloodlusts that are simple to trigger, it just takes time to build up pressure then throw the switch. Both India and Pak are nuclear, and now the Saudis are threatening to purchase nukes from Mr. Khan, who enabled Paki nukes. Yep, they're all toast over there unless they peaceup.

Buddhist: A great system from India, adopted by lots of folks in China and elsewhere in the East. Pacificists these will not factor into the final war, they will be suppressed and camped/gulag'd by the armies of Chinese Marxists over the hill. China will occupy the Tibetan plateau and support the war between India and Pak. China has some 30 million Muslims in the western regions so when the Islam hornets get stirred up in the Caucuses, it could easily move up to the Chinese muslims. Russia would not be able to survive the loss of Grozny and perhaps Baku and then Stalingrad itself, to the Muslims who are south and east in China.

wiccans: Haha, yeah. No but seriously I love wiccans, they're great nature people and peaceful. But still, they've got no chance against Islamists by the millions. But these new agers who survive may be used to build the "new system" that is hoped for after the bloodletting called WW3.

So then the "vision of the harlot", yeah I don't worry about making real life fit the bible. For all I know, John may have been tripping on mushrooms when he wrote his "Revelation" in jail.

But anyway, yeah, the planned conflagration will use the Muslims to persecute all other religions, as is their way historically. It's perfect because Sunni and Shia have been fighting since Mohammed died, and they hate each other and will never relent so this perfectly serves as two dudes fighting in a bar, and they smash up everything and draw everyone else into their fight. Naturally since the Hindus have long been a thorn in Muhammed's side (long deep hatreds there) we can expect at the right time, that nukes will be exchanged and both Pakistan and India will be aflame, sadly. Then things will get interesting.

But I am interested in the concept that the UN could legally ban religion and how can that be possible.

Legally? Uh, well, the courts of this world are completely controlled. There is no free speech thanks to "hate speech" legislation, which is counter productive because it only stifles speech and ensures violence in the future. Also EU drug fund banks like Clearstream have shown they can prosecute and jail anybody who even sniffs around their doghouse. Do the research and you'll find that the world's courts all derive from talmud, and UK Zio powers who control their people through the courts. The courts will prevent nothing, they'll just do more harm as is their way.

posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 05:21 PM
From The Guardian

'Militant secularisation' taking hold of British society, says Lady Warsi

The Tory party chairman will lead an official visit to the pope by calling for Christianity to be given a central role in public life

Patrick Wintour, political editor, Monday 13 February 2012 23.02 GMT

‘Militant secularisation’ taking hold of British society, says Lady Warsi Lady Warsi will say that 'militant secularisation' demonstrates 'similar traits to totalitarian regimes'. Lady Warsi is to warn of what she calls the "militant secularisation" of society and propose Christianity is given a central role in public life when she leads a high-level government delegation on an official visit to the pope. In a speech on Tuesday she will say: "My fear is that, today, militant secularisation is taking hold of our societies. We see it in a number of things: when signs of religion cannot be displayed or worn in government buildings, and where religion is sidelined and downgraded in the public sphere. "For me one of the most worrying aspects about this militant secularisation is that at its core and in its instincts it is deeply intolerant. It demonstrates similar traits to totalitarian regimes – denying people the right to a religious identity because they were frightened of the concept of multiple identities."

During the visit, held to celebrate the 30-year anniversary of the establishment of full diplomatic relations between the UK and the papacy, she will stress she is not calling for a theocracy but a more explicit role for religion in public life. Some of the recent attempts by Christians to become involved in contemporary politics have been uneasy, including the near implosion of the administration of St Paul's Cathedral over the presence of the Occupy movement on its doorstep. There has also been sharp disagreements with the Church of England over secular issues such as bonuses and the role of banks. Implicitly rejecting multiculturalism, Warsi, the first female Muslim to serve as a minister, will say that the best way to encourage social harmony is to put Christianity at the centre of public life. She is taking six ministers to Rome, including Jeremy Hunt, the culture secretary, and Michael Moore, the Scottish secretary. She will speak to the Pontifical Ecclesiastical Academy, the school for the next generation of papal diplomats, at which she will argue Europe needs to be more confident in its Christianity. "Too often there is suspicion of faith in our continent hinging on a basic misconception – that to create equality and space for minorities we need to erase our religious heritage," she will say. She will argue "people need to feel stronger in their religious identities, more confident in their beliefs". While individuals should not dilute their nations, nor should nations deny their religious heritages. She will say that, "You cannot and should not extract these Christian foundations from the evolution of our nations any more than you should or could erase the spires from our landscapes". She will deride the way in which across Europe and in the UK, "spirituality is suppressed divinity downgraded and where in the words of the Archbishop of Canterbury faith is looked down upon as the hobby of oddities, foreigners and minorities". And she will say politicians "need to give faith a seat at the table in public life", saying "intolerant secularisation has to be held back by reaffirming the religious foundations on which our societies are built" . The delegation is being lodged at the Vatican City State.

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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 08:36 PM
What's next?

....uprecedented in American history

Put simply: There is simply no time in American history we can recall where nearly the entire body of American Catholic bishops and priests have united to speak against a sitting president by name, and promised civil disobedience.

The coming breakup is now afoot!!

"Submit or else..."

Question is who will blink?

The "churches" have no more moral authority to tell the governmental authorities on what to do. So on this point - they are on a losing battle.

But since they (the "churches") are still being viewed as "useful tools" - for getting "votes" and gaining "favors" (by politicians) - the "love affair" will continue. But this is just a facade for the signs of the coming breakup is now becoming stronger. As soon as there's no longer need for them, they will be discarded like a "dirty prostitute".

All religious organization will be fully expose on what they are made of - straw, clay or iron.

The final cleansing as they say is mow afoot - and only one will remain!

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 01:29 AM
Latest news:

Vatican told to pay taxes as Italy tackles budget crisis

End of controversial property tax breaks leaves the Pope facing €600m-a-year bill

After several years of scandal in which the Catholic Church has faced allegations of financial impropriety, paedophile priests and rumours of plots to kill the Pope, the Vatican is now facing a new €600m-a-year tax bill as Rome seeks to head off European Commission censure over controversial property tax breaks enjoyed by the Church.

Since 2005 church-run organisations have not been considered ordinary commercial structures and have been exempt. According to Corriere della Sera newspaper, tax authorities will judge how much of a property is used purely for religious purposes and tax it accordingly. Thus a church will remain exempt. But a hostel with a chapel would have to make contributions. In addition, Mr Monti said in his letter that by changing the law, and removing some of the church's exemption from Ici, he expected the EC to relent on demands that tax payments be backdated.

"We think the Church should have to pay the arrears," said Mr Staderini. "It should make the payment back to 2005. Given how much the Vatican stood to pay with arrears, I think they will not be that unhappy with the result."

Meanwhile, as the Vatican financial authorities do their sums and continue to lobby, the Holy See has announced an official investigation into a series of embarrassing leaks. After the child abuse and financial scandals of recent years, the prospects for another annus horribilis were underlined last week when a document emerged suggesting there was a plot to kill Pope Benedict XVI this year.

"It's now complete war inside the Vatican," said Robert Mickens, The Tablet's Rome correspondent, who has20 years' experience of reporting on the Vatican. "Things are falling apart."

It's now unravelling - question is will the Vatican be able to stop it?

The answer is no as things gets worst the Vatican will be THE prime target because it will be a great source of revenue.

Go against it, they will pay a stiff price of being closed down. Think it won't happen?

Think again - there's no way out it for them. Once this becomes acceptable to the public - the "churches" will have no choice but to abide. But if they do they will lose their control over the masses.

And once the masses leave the churches - then there will be no real purpose for them any longer.

Again the prophecy is being fulfilled right in front of everyone to see and the world is fast asleep.

But there's only one group that's wide awake to these world shattering events taking place - sounding the alarm for a while now.

The watchmen of the night upon the Watchtower - saying Awake for the time has come for the harlot to pay the wages of her sins!

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 06:54 AM

Originally posted by edmc^2

But there's only one group that's wide awake to these world shattering events taking place - sounding the alarm for a while now.

The watchmen of the night upon the Watchtower - saying Awake for the time has come for the harlot to pay the wages of her sins!

They aren't "Awake". Not one JW is Awake, that is not the goal of their church. They put their minds to sleep, they are 100% anti-Awakening, as a group. I am speaking of the "Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses" as they call themselves in court, along with many other corporate psuedonyms.

They are drones being given orders to behave in a certain way. Again, they are not "Awake", they do not think independently, they are held by their mindstrings, from their youth.

Anyway, it is utterly simple to do research and see that the Vatican bank is used for massive thefts and money laundering. Research Michele "The Shark" Sindona and Roberto Calvi and my favorite gangster "Pippo" Callo, who is one of the top Italian gangsters to break omerta (vow of silence), and admit that the mafia exists and to dis-associate himself from it. So does any JW get encouraged to be a true anti-Papist and to know the true evil of the Vatican? NO, because the JW is meant to be a feeble tool who THINKS he or she knows something, but doesn't really know anything.




As Yoda says to Luke Skywalker: "You must unlearn, what you have learned" ...He means that the world is full of lies. These lies are everywhere, and it takes effort to unlearn them.

If only there were true researchers inside the Watchtower, they could spit out the pablum of their mother Zio-church and take hold of their own brains. If they did this, they'd still be anti-Papists as is good and correct, but they'd no longer be able to deny that the Watchtower is marching sheep to their own destruction.

Notice the Zionist and the Watchtower both have their corporate brand at the holocaust museum. The Rothschildian magen david occult hexagon symbol is there, and also the Watchtower corporate logo is there. These corporate logos/totems, serve to remind the guilty, and the dead Zio-martyrs. See, every chruch needs its martyrs and the Watchtower ain't no different.

Anyway, just wanted to mention that people who are "Awake", are those persons thinking independently. Only the Watchtower and groups like them would equate lockstep non-thinking obedience as "Awakeness". Only the Watchtower and the Papacy would equate thinking to "being like Satan".

Also please note that in order to join a religious order like the Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses or Opus Dei you typically have to surrender all thought and agree to spend the rest of your life punishing yourself. So you see, in fact, "Awakeness" is an obstacle both of these religious orders must resolve. No "Awake" person will surrender their own volitional thought. In order to get rid of your "Satanic" independence of course, you need to go to sleep. This is true of Zionists and Papists and Hindu and every group even straight up whackjob religions like Scientology. --They all require you to go to sleep and surrender.

Anyway, it'd be better if you use this thread to reveal hidden cash floes between the Vatican and the mafia, and also I have listed the Zio-mafia who got prohibition passed in the USA and stole our US legitimate money replaced with fractional debt notes.

If we could use this thread to research the Vatican cash floe and the Zio cash floe, that'd be enough. No need to discuss Armageddon, that's just the foil these religions use. It's like that book "The Lord of the Flies", see when the kids get scared, it's easy to make up a boogey man. But the point is, the idea of the bogeyman shapes the group itself, regardless of the origins or truth of the bogeyman.
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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 07:46 AM
What kinds of humans, would flush other humans and even their own COUNTRY, down the drain?

Surely we know that JWs are anti-nationists.

And we know that their proclaimed nemesis, the vaticanists and Papists of all stripes, are the opposite: These Romists, are fierce Nationalists, all of them. Is there a single Papist who wouldn't lie down at the edge of Vatican City (a non nation) and defend it with their blood?

Wouldn't all the gangs of Italy defend the Holy See, if for no other reason than to collect the favor of the conquering nation, as they did in WW2 post events? Remember: In the Godfather movies, Michael Corleone is a United States Marine, who becomes Godfather/Knight of Malta, and then is destroyed by his Papal and crime causing shenanigans.

Also, why couldn't Michael Corleone just remain a Marine? Why become "made"?

See the truth is, people like him make a joke of nations and the plebes within. Michael Corleone, uses the power of the nation, then debauches it, making himself a shameful blot on the history of the United States Marine Corps.

That is the lesson of the Godfather Trilogy: How one little Marine can take over the world, and then realize how stupid he was, to think he could take over the world.

Well anyway, the Vatican and the Judaist serve each other hand in hand. These two, Vatican and Talmud, arm in arm work as a cartel, a cadre, a secret magen david crypto-religio-criminal enterprise. As in the old sicilian ritual where the truly ambitious killers get "made" into mafioso, they say "This thing we do, this enterprise of ours, must never be spoken of". These words are the same for the Hebrew mafia as well. And the Hebrew mafia is wrose than the Italy mafia, the Hebrews have proven they will kill their own people ruthlessly, to gain an advantage for the surviving/victorious members of their tribe. Witness Jesus' time when he told the Judaists to flee Jerusalem. Well the Sanhedrin opposed that, tlelling people to stay, and then that resulted in those Judaists being slaughtered, and the Sanhedrin got stronger.

Well anyway, modern day tactics are the same, there always needs to be the sacrifice, here is a modern example of how this currency Armageddon is proceeding right on schedule:

[I hate these crap NewYorkTimez links but maybe this one will work...]

"Ordinary citizens can’t do much at this point. Jefferson County has even canceled municipal elections scheduled for this August. It seems that there’s no money for voting booths, either.


Many muni experts called Ms. Whitney an alarmist, but she clearly touched a nerve. States, counties, cities and towns issue many billions of dollars worth of new munis every year, and those bonds pay for all sorts of things. Government bodies nationwide can borrow those billions at a low cost because munis are traditionally considered among the most conservative of investments. Without quick and easy access to this market, local government as we know it would fall apart.

Seeing the idea here? The county itself, is undermined, therefore also, is the nation undermined.

The Vatican, their Rothschildian Hoffjuden, and the Watchtower, all pretend to NOT be in cahoots.

But at the top teirs of all three of these groups, they know they are well insulated by the bodies/people beneath them.

Just like a mafia boss can order a war, and he knows he will lose some 'soldiers' but that the war might be won. There have been several great mafia wars in the 20th century. We remain ignorant of these rackets and families at our peril, because the nature of gangs is that the weakest humans are drawn to them. Only the weakest humans need to glom together in gangs, and yet within these gangs/churhces, they weaklings who seek that clustering, that warmth, will reinforce all the others within the group. They will encourage "us and them" type modality.

If you ever decide to leave such a group as mega-gangster "Pippo" Calo did, admitting it's real but that you don't want any part of it and dissociating yourself. Well, that takes huge cajones. How much strength does it take, decide that you're better off breaking ties with the kill-club into which you had been sworn? Takes guts. I respect that. I think we need to allow Pippo to tell his story in regards to other developments like the Keenan filing and the UN thefts of Euro nations. Also there are many people still alive who profitted from the mass slayings called WW2, and I suspect like Mr. Calo, they may also decide to wise up and come clean. I look forward to that, there can potentially be forgivness if they do so with no prestense and no subterfuge. Typically the blowing of a whistle signifies distress, and is designed to warn anyone nearby. Yes, I think we all appreciate so called "whistleblowers" right?

Keep your eye on the $$$ and the power.
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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 09:19 AM
Based on the above, you may be asking, "Hey okay, but who is this "Hebrew Mafia" you mention?"

During Dov Zakheim’s tenure as Pentagon controller from May 4, 2001, to March 10, 2004, over $3 trillion dollars were unaccounted for.

Additionally, military Information was jeopardized and military contractors billed the US for Israeli items: $50 million dollar fighter jets were rated as surplus and the list rolls on. As the scandal of the missing trillion dollars surfaced and Dov resigned, Israel was handed the finest fighter jets in the US inventory while 15 percent of US jets were grounded for lack of parts. In whose best interest was this?

But Dov is not alone. He is one of an elite group of Jewish Americans/Israelis who inter-marry and enter government. They and their Christian counterparts are called neocons and their sole purpose is directing US policy. Most of them are dual citizens and few serve in the US military. Think of Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, Richard Perle, Doug Feith, Michael Chertoff, David Wurmser to mention a few. Whether their motivation is anger at the Muslim world, seen as a religious and territorial enemy, or a deep-rooted reaction to the Holocaust,... ... the culmination of European anti-Semitism, their reactionary militarism becomes a world-threatening force unto itself. Hence our concern.


Note the words: "Deep rooted reaction."

How does one deeply root, a reaction?

What is the root, of such large and interlocking and powerfully funded "reactions"?

Can we call a "reaction", a "gang"?

Are gangs reactionary? Also, what is an anti-gang? Isn't the anti-gang, the single lone human individual? Yse, to become an anti-gangster, you need to do the most difficult thing that any human can do: You have to become an isolated unit a human standing and breathing unto yourself, in front of the divine cosmos and nothing else.

Yes, for when you die, Osiris and Anubis (or St. Peter or nothingness if you're a JW) await you. For example in the ancient Egyptian way, which predates the Hebrew way, and as I have said, Akehnaten was Moses therefore we can say that Anubis is not unlike Moses in that he weighs the heart of the dead.

In this way, we can understand how Jesus (who symbolized the Hebrew/Judeo entity known as "Horus") was seen transfigured with Moses himself, in this way, we can see that in the transfiguration, Jesus' heart is being weighed prior to his death.

I explain this here, because the gangs we are discussing, religio-economic gangs from Italy, Arabia, and Asia, are all primarily, financial concerns.

But notice that only one of the three Abrahamic tribes has a peaceful King. That's Jesus. And how did he make himself the unique one? He rejected everlasting debts, which the Rabbis of his time had arranged, along with the Roman occupiers. Rabbi Hillel had proclaimed the jubilee concept void, prior to Jesus' time. This meant the Hillel and his cronies would be making everlasting debt, their cornerstone. That is the time into which Jesus had been born: The Roman gang and the Judiast gang had just put an everlasting debt-headlock, onto the people of the mid east. Jesus gave all gangsters of his day, a giant middle finger, he wrecked their moneychanging schemes, he mocked their donkey-caravans by allowing himself to be carried on a donkey (also symbolizing Balaam of the OT), and he didn't even carry a penny, so they couldn't trick him about taxation and governments.

Jesus himself, set the perfect example, for what it means to be an anti-gangster. I think Mr Calo mentioned above, is displaying a great spirit when he admits the secret cabals exist, yet he divorces himself from it, simultaneously outing the mafia, and shaming their ways. I think perhaps such gangsters can become a force for good, if they can find their true balls and break with the systems that hold them. This goes for all modern gangsters and thugs and dirtbags.

I say to you: Repent, and become like Jesus. Become an anti-gangster. Become an anti-religionist. Become a good person, who loathes everlasting debt, and who loathes criminals who prey on the meek.

That is the way of Jesus the Christ.

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 11:02 AM
I believe your comments would be better placed in another thread on another subject.
I can't see what you have contributed to the subject of the UN outlawing religion?


posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Xcouncil=wisdom
I can't see what you have contributed to the subject of the UN outlawing religion?


Why thank me, that you can't see? No need to thank me for your lack of being able to see, that's between you and your inner eye. But anyway, you're welcome.

Anyway, conspiracy forums called "above secret" or even those forums ranked higher than that, typically try to find conspiracies. Well I mean that's the idea, though yes, your point is clear: Most conspiracy forums are not comfortable hearing about the large conspiracy. Also, people get confused, or cannot "see", as you describe above.

Well anyway, I can only try to forge ahead and explain conspiracy to you. It takes time, years in fact, to "unlearn" as Yoda encourages Luke. Unlearning takes years.

Anyway, read this article, and then come back and post about how you can't see conspiracy. Okay? Otherwise, please do try to frame some kind of question. Typically by asking questions, people can overcome their confusion. Ask away.

Russia Thwarts U.S. Central Asian Counterdrug Program

February 18, 2012
by Joshua Kucera


Take a step back here. Recall that Russia has for years been angry that the U.S. isn't doing more to combat drugs in Afghanistan, but the U.S. doesn't want to get more heavily involved there because it would alienate the populations whose hearts and minds the U.S. and NATO troops are trying to win. And now Russia is blocking a U.S. effort to counter drug trafficking in Central Asia. So, the U.S. wants to fight trafficking in Central Asia but not Afghanistan, and Russia wants to fight it in Afghanistan but not in Central Asia. Both countries are relegating the fight against opium trafficking to a secondary priority: for the U.S., outweighed by the desire to win in Afghanistan; for Russia, by the desire to keep the U.S. out of Central Asia. Is it any wonder, then, that the drug trade continues to flourish?

Can you see? Do you know that drugs, weapons and humans are the true commodities of this time? Do you have any thoughts about the black market?

Because it is run by religionists of all kinds, even anarchy/nihilism as a religion.

So hypocrisy and stupidity, are the foundations upon which both the Watchtower and the UN are built. And the mortar was laid by smart criminals from all stripes.

And they fashioned a temple upon the backs of the people. The heroin needle and the artillery cannon came about in the same era of time. If you can't follow a thread like this, how can you ever read a book? I've typed not many words here, compared to the size of the # of libraries inside the US, yet really, nobody wants truth because everything I say here is inside every US library.

The drug war, the crypto-Judiac war, everything, easily researched in every US state and town, at the local library. I've given several books here which describe truth, so I'm simply directing people to the library. How can anyone inside the US say they didn't have a chance to find out the truth? As I said, books with crucial info in them like Claire Sterling's book, sell for one penny on

It's scary how much we need to "unlearn". But the snails pace at which people approach the unlearning process, means most of them won't unlearn in time.

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 02:57 PM

Originally posted by smallpeeps

I just wanted to point out that famous robber of the mafia, Michele Sindona, was a Jesuit as well. And a tax lawyer, graduating from Italy's Messina U. in 1942.

Basically he built a huge narcodollar laundromat called Franklin Bank which collapsed in 1979, and he fled to avoid the gangsters whose laundered narcodollars he had stolen.

So anyway, I guess he felt he could be protected at the end of his deeds, kinda like how Himmler surrendered as well. Now of course, it's an interesting point, because the gangsters couldn't give a damn about Himmler killing millions, but stealing their loot, well, thatsa not gonna provoke a favorable reaction.

Well anyway, it took 7 years for the mafiosas to get their hands on him but when they did extradict him to Italy, he didn't last long. Of course, the collapse of the papacy, is tied to the collapse of the money system. Essentially in 1987 after Sindona had been eliminated, the Columbians and the Sicilians decided to divide the world. They formed a criminal cartel.

The cartel got a huge boost when on Christmas Day 1991, the Soviet Union collapsed and simultaneously birthed 18 new crime babies, called "ex soviet states". So it's like in 1991, the world lost Stalinism and gained Trotskyism all over again, in the form of world crime organization.

After 1991, the world is not the same. It was the order of the last 3000 years which is being tossed up for grabs and the gangsters are the bridesmaids who grabbed Satan's bouquet which got tossed up as the USSR devolved.

Just wanted to point out destruction done by the churches, hence, the "need" to control religion, hence the door which the UN can try to walk through, to "control" the slavic areas of the world, which are the center of organized crime. So when someone asks: "How will they do it?" I say it has already been done. When someone says "How will they reveal it?" I say it's already being revealed. And if someone asks, "How will they complete it?" I would say, I don't know, and neither do they. But the board has been set up for specific characters to walk onto this stage, and it's basically waiting for that. Or, it's happening right now.

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Xcouncil=wisdom
I believe your comments would be better placed in another thread on another subject.
I can't see what you have contributed to the subject of the UN outlawing religion?


To be fair it's not necessarily the UN who ban religion - it's nations within the "image of the wild beast" so how all this will pan out we should not be dogmatic about. However in most things the US & the West turn to the Security council to rubber stamp most agendas, so they will surely use the UN in some capacity, hence the specific mention surely in Revelation. The Bible says that at that time the kings will give the image of the wild beast "teeth", so maybe they will have more powers.

It's surely no coincidence that globalisation is on the march and what particularly has struck me is the supposedly anti terrorist legislation that has been recently tightened up in both the US & the UK. Both governments can now decide if someone or some organisation is deemed "subversive or anti establishment" and come along & lock them up. At some point once false religion is gone the organisation that represents Jehovah on earth, will face an all out attack from Gog of Magog. forces from the kingdoms on the earth egged on by Satan & the demons.

Before false religion is ravaged we know that there will be an outstanding cry or declaration of Peace & Security - so when the world seems to be in such turmoil currently in every sense - it will be fascinating to see how this works out. Perhaps there will be a worldwide uprising against corruption, which will appear to have solved matters..Perhaps the New World Order & Globalisation will be brought about in some way. We can't really say - however it's sure going to interesting to see how Bible prophecy works out - because this cry of peace security will immediately lead on to the attack on religion.

Interesting times we live in!

As for people posting bile...

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” ― Socrates

― Socrates

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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:41 AM
"Italian law to ensure that the church pays property tax on the parts of its buildings used for commercial ends."

I believe these are the items that belong in the conversation in this thread.

posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 07:39 AM

Originally posted by JB1234
As for people posting bile...

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” ― Socrates

― Socrates

Haha, you are adorable JB, like I said, funniest tatertot in this thread yet.

It's funny that you have nothing, so you misapply a quote by Socrates. You are accusing me of slander?

There's no slander in my hugely powerful truthflow above your meaningless post. It's all for you, since I happen to know what massive blind spots are perpetuated by BOTH the UN and the WTBTS Religious Order of JWs.

Being raised in the Watchtower, I didn't break free from their mind prison until age 25 or so, then shortly after that, 9/11 happened, so in the past ten years, I've done nothing but research.

And look at how drones like you respond to actual truthflow. You use a quote by a man assassinated by his own countrymen, Socrates. Let's be frank JB, The Watchtower is as far from Socrates, as it is from the Internet itself. Socrates, if he were alive, would immediately recognize a non-thinking drone army of doorknockers to be mentally disabled.

But as I mentioned, although people like you soldier onward through the muck of your ignorance, the "preaching" work is accomplishing very little, its just more of a show. Everyone knows the Watchtower loses about 3 out of 10 of its young people to "the world", and they don't care. They know the police-state inside their church alienates the young, but again, they don't care.

The real rub, is that when a young person or adult JW finally surrenders all their family and friends, and accepts being shunned, they then are alone outside in the world. That's the true evil of churches that shun freethinkers. Can't you see how horrible that is? Well anyway, when I walked away from the Religious Order of JWs, I found myself in "the world".

So what do people in "the world" do? Well, I had no idea really, so I started just living. Ad learning about politics, and about how the world actually works. Well this again is key to this thread, because if you are in "the world", then you will find many refrences to the United Nations.

So when I applied my superlative researching skills that had freed me from Charles Russell's Religious Order, to the subject of politics, well, I learned quickly that both Charles Russell and the United Nation are branches off the same tree.

See so there's no slander here, its an established fact, that both the UN and CTR's Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses (their legal name used in court for immunity) derive from exactly the same place.

I have posted several times, the words of CTR who said "We need more rich Jews to emigrate to Palestine if we want to have Armageddon to come!" ...You feebly trot around those words, yet they are rich in meaning. Of course the UN came about from the same genus: Rich Judiasts populated into Palestine Balfour area and post WW2 events birthed the United Nations, which is essentially a theft-vehicle by which to steal from the poorer nations.

What's really funny from a biblical perspective is this: When the temple was rebuilt by Babylonians and repopulated with talmudic Babylon rabbis, these ones wrote Leviticus and Deuteronomy at that time. It has been noted by Wellhausen and others that in fact, the books of the Judges, and the pre-Babylon Temple Kings (like Samson and David and such) were in fact a historical embarrassment to the rabbis. It is clearly seen that the Deuteronomists tended to write away from their historical predecessors. They wanted to forget all the "poles and groves" erected in the high places by the old Hebrew judges. There were to be no more "poles and groves and high places" anymore. They decided "Now, we worship at Jerusalem ALONE." ...Which was completely a shift from the old Kings who worshiped on whatever mountain they chose, and who erected poles and grove as they wished. The new breed of Leviticus priests, needed to erase the past.

In the same way, does the modern Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses try to forget about CTR and the origins of him and his Order. The WTBTS is today, dialing out CTR from their history books. The Proclaimers book was a joke anyway, full of nothingness, but even that is a modern day embarrassment. They want it to be a new modern church, but CTR is a boat anchor hanging off the younger ambitious crowd of today. It's funny to observe them as they try to flop into the future like some beached whale.

Anyway, both branches derive from the same root. If you need more clarification on this, either read back a few pages or ask nicely. By explaining the truth of the world to you, I hope you will regain your mind and see that the Watchtower, like the Rothschildian State of Israel, is destined to be marched into a masada type of situation. It is sad when corporations and religious orders encourage their people to be martyrs.

posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 09:05 AM
Hello friends.

Welp, basically, financial Armageddon is shaping up. And as I have explained, Zionists want that. They want Armageddon, whatever that entails.

Hitler said: "Let's press the Eastern Jew and drive them into Palestine." and he did that. Yes, the poor ones and the gypsies and the "bible students" got killed or mistreated in the SS camps. But many of CTR's "rich jews" did settle in Palestine, as CTR had wished. And yes, WW2 ended in 1945, but the Nazi corporations had already decided to go underground, and they did. Joseph Mengele for example, lived a nice relaxing life in South America.

So, the world is their playground, these people. At their level, there is no competition. We are sheep to them. To be slaughtered for lamb chops at whatever time they decide to jerk the Armageddon cord, which has been carefully woven up until now, to enable that Rothschildian warmongering state to kill a US president and acquire nuclear weapons. I am talking about Israel of course.

Yes, because just weeks before his assassination, John Fitzgerald Kennedy had demanded to know if the Israel Dimona nuclear plant was making nuclear weapons. Well he made a lot of enemies but the point is, when he pressed this particular gang (see Herman Roth in the Godfather Part II), they decided to press back. Well through proxies and such, but the point is, JFK would not be standing in the way of Armageddon. So he was removed, to facilitate Armageddon. And guess what? We only recently (in the 90s I think) got a whistleblower (Vanunu still jailed inside Israel) who admitted that JFK was right to inquire! They had been making nukes!

Mind you, Israel won't admit it, and they won't sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty, because their way is deception. "By deception you will do war." is the motto of the Mossad.

They've tried to muster the fuel to launch it at different times. But I think they always knew it would come around these days. So the 1975 Armageddon scare and swine flu scare, were related (imo) to the coup which happened in the White House transition where Congress actually elected President Ford. They didn't get Armageddon in the 1970s either but they knew they could do proxy-warfare with the Russians, and make millions awaiting the day when Armageddon could be made to happen.

Well, as Israel built up their stockpile of nukes in the 1970s, some key technologies came online for the human race, allowing us to keep Armageddon at bay. This rise in tech, and concurrently the Dow Jones Industrial Average, is something that our grandfathers could never have ever imagined in their wildest dreams. It's impossible really to even project the number of fractionalized Federal Reserve Notes have been "made" since 1970. There really is no price tag you can put on what humanity has experienced since 1970 up until now. The last 40 years have been factorially more important than the 4000 years which preceded them. That is truth. So much tech has hit us since 1970, that it caused destructive shocks to the old world. This culminated in the 1991 collapse of the USSR.

The last real knockout blow to the old mindset, was when the IP network met the HTML inline text with images concept. Around 1993 to 1995, things went ballistic. Since then, IP network has grown, and yes, the admins would like it killed. The Watchtower wants it killed, they loathe it. The UN also hates it, and wants to float SOPA and CRAPDA and all kinda "legislative acts" onto it's back so as to fracture it.

Why do they attack Internet? Because they are the old way, and the IP network makes all politicians, all accountants, all lawyers, everything, irrelevant.

The IP network, under the control of the United States people, has risen to become what is actually, the savior of humanity. We _may_ avoid Armageddon. And if we do, it will be because of the IP network, a true gift from GOD, which has allowed us dupes / plebes / little people /am-harats to finally learn the truths, of specie, and money, and fractionalization, and usury, and debt slavery.

The Internet, has freed humanity from the need for politicians. It has allowed us to see eachother's research and to share research and to form informed government thereby. It has opened true global communication and de-babelization of tongues --which is a threat to these old dusty clubs who make money off coining blood into gold via warfare. That is why they seek to destroy the IP network with their crews of lawyers.

These people whom I am describing, do not see the Internet, as the modern Alexandrian Library that it is. They see it as the single most threatening thing to their long term plans, that they have ever known.

Here's a YouTube video for you as you contemplate the term "Financial Armageddon".

Key point is at around 10:00 where he explains how owning a bank, allows you to launder massive amounts of money. Well not you, but a religious banker could do that.

posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 01:27 AM
reply to post by smallpeeps

The last real knockout blow to the old mindset, was when the IP network met the HTML inline text with images concept. Around 1993 to 1995, things went ballistic. Since then, IP network has grown, and yes, the admins would like it killed. The Watchtower wants it killed, they loathe it. The UN also hates it, and wants to float SOPA and CRAPDA and all kinda "legislative acts" onto it's back so as to fracture it.

smallpeps - too many words not enough substance and a lot of assumptions - I guess this is your conspiracy theory of "truthflow".

The Watchtower wants to kill the internet/HTML/HTM? Why would they do that since it's one of the best way to inform people of prophetic events and information on various subjects worldwide in addition to their door to door preaching?

Notice the website:

Notice the number of languages the Watchtower website is available in?

438 Languages

Click on a language below to view information in that language online. To view these pages it may be necessary to install Unicode fonts. You can obtain additional Bible literature in your language by contacting Jehovah's Witnesses locally or by writing to one of our branch addresses. Material is also available in various Braille and Sign Languages.

Note the available topics that you can browse and do research:

Notice the the number of publications you can download - in pdf, mpe, epub and aac:formats

So what in the world are you talking about?

Any facts to support this assumption?

posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 08:07 AM

Originally posted by edmc^2
smallpeps - too many words not enough substance and a lot of assumptions - I guess this is your conspiracy theory of "truthflow".

Sad that you can't absorb it. I am happy to help you.

The Watchtower wants to kill the internet/HTML/HTM? Why would they do that since it's one of the best way to inform people of prophetic events and information on various subjects worldwide in addition to their door to door preaching?

Notice the website:

Notice the number of languages the Watchtower website is available in?

Fact #1: JW are forbidden to use the Internet, it is frowned upon. It is Satan's domain, according to their own indoctrination. If you go to a meeting, you will hear 10x that Satan controls the Internet, but you will never hear the words "Yes friends, use the Internet!" ...You will NEVER hear that.

But yes as you feebly point out, the Watchtower, seeking souls and families to consume, does have a website. It's the only website legally that JWs can go to without a sideways look from the Elders, but why would they bother? It's full of the same recycled pablum as the endless tide of books they spew.

You mention a great point though, about how the Watchtower invented the MEPS system with the help of IBM in the 1970 and yet they use it to maintain the tower of babel. You are impressed that the Watchtower has 100 languages for their oatmeal-type spirituality? It's funny because the whole of their message, is fully crap. But yes, they do promote it with a vengeance. In the end, their material is just a means to grab more souls.

Whom do the JW have success against? Of course it is the weakened people in their homes. The JW seeks a traumatized householder who is ripe to join a club. If Scientologists went doorknocking, they'd find a similar number of converts, simply due to the world which weakens people's defenses.

So what in the world are you talking about?

Any facts to support this assumption?

Well it's sad that you post but don't know anything. That's cool, I guess people do that. any comments about the astounding factual truths I posted above or are you just running defense for the Watchtower Globo-Indoctrination Company?

I have explained 20th Century buildup to Armageddon here in the past few pages. Feel free to comment on any of that data. But sure, if you want to keep discussing the watchtower and their guilt, I'm happy to do so. But like I said, I think the Watchtower COULD maybe be salvaged. Even now as they are fleeing their court cases and shutting down Brooklyn and heading for the hills, people like you will defend their system. It's so cute.

Well anyway, I must assume you know nothing about history, otherwise you'd have applauded my research which is salient, timely, and 100% opposite of what the Watchtower will provide. The Watchtower, the United Nations (A Jesuit creation) and the Nuclear State of Zionism (Israel) will all massage and nurture blind spots inside the heads of their members. I am trying to show you that there is a large conspiracy. This is a conspiracy web site, that's what we try to do here. Feel free to learn from what I typed above. It's okay, you don't have to admit you learned something. You can keep it private inside your heart. Just be sure to thank God for those who say truth, when there are literally armies of liars about.

posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 08:32 AM
Further in regards to the question posed above "Does the Watchtower want to destroy the Internet?"

It is a corporation, this Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses. It has a director, it has beneficiaries, it has treasurer... All the things normal actual humans do not have, corporations have. They completely dominate, the actual humans on Earth at this time.

The Watchtower right now, is being sued along the same paths as the Catholic priests. Fact is, they are both united at the top, to keep the children silent. FACT.

Now, if you are a feeble minded shmuck, and you type without knowing, then yeah, you will end up looking stupid. Myself however, I have downloaded and read the court cases for the Watchtower Corporation and I have seen how they defend themselves in court.

Suffice to say, that when they go to court, they destroy the person who took them to court.

However, court itself, is being revealed as a controlled game. The Watchtower always recruits legal help from within, but they don't produce enough brainpower from within, so typically in these court cases they are defended by Law-Hessians, hired mercs of the courts. Hell, the Watchtower Corporation could easily hire a Jesuit lawyer like Michele Sindona to defend them, that's the beauty of when the rubber hits the road: The Corporation has deep pockets due to the tithing of the victim. The victim cannot pay for Jesuit-trained lawyers as can the Watchtower Corporation.

Well, for example, in Morlet v Jehovah's Witnesses, this is the list of defendants, in the victim's attempt to pierce the corporate veil, at law:

1: The Congregation itself (Always with "INC" as it's its own sheild)
2: The State Company (of J. Witnesses Inc)
3: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society NY Inc
4: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society PENN Inc
5: Watchtower Enterprises LLC
6: Watchtower Foundation INC
7: Watchtower Associates LTD
8: Kingdom Support Services INC
9: Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
10: Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses
11: The Watchtower Group INC

...Isn't it cute, this religious Corporation which hides behind shells and layers and shieilds?

They pretend to be all loving and talking about spiritual need when they get you at the door. And yes, like all cultish-methods, the "love bomb" is the first tactic. But then the shift will be to "duty".

Well anyway, you can see that they bring out the multi-dollar, multi-sword beast, by using hired lawyers, to defend themselves. Just like the Catholic. They both, actually, derive from the same chum buckets of secrecy that built the 20th Century and the slaughters of that most bloody century. Only some true tards like this, would say that when Jesus sat down ("invisibly" haha) that this resulted in the most horrific century of slaughter ever. The Watchtower is literally laying the bloodshed of the two world wars, at the feet of JESUS? Can you believe the gall to do that?

Well since their whole memorial ritual iust a slap in the face to Jesus, it's not surprising. They literally have a memorial of Jesus' command to all his followers to "take, eat", where all the assembled people DISOBEY JESUS. Literally Jesus commanded them to eat, but the Watchtower celebrate disobedience to Jesus, because being a Zio-cult, they hate Jesus, just like the Jews and talmudists hate Jesus. Watchtower is basically talmud at its core, and talmudists loathe Jesus.

Anyway this lawsuit above is just one of many, that are bleeding the Watchtower and the Catholics, and their hidden Orders, dry as bones. They hate having to pay for lawyers.

This sort of legal defense with many demonic legion of corporate shields, is only possible in Religious Orders, as this one. Please note that at no time is the Watchtower ACTUALLY educating the world about Religious Orders such as the Society of Jesus or Opus Dei. No, because societies must protect their brethren societies. Again: If the Watchtower Order wanted to break from Satan, they'd need only reveal the evils of the Jesuits and Opus Dei. Since they'll never betray their brethren Orders in this way, it reveals quickly, where their true passions and lusts for power, are rooted.

I invite any intelligent person to ask any question here.

posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 11:51 AM
Furthermore, isn't it interesting to note that IBM allowed and facilitated the Watchtower Order's deaths in the concentration camps (see Edwin Black's book IBM and the Holocaust) and yet the Watchtower Order, after that, invited IBM to help them accomplish their globo-fear pamphletry mission.

You would think, that if Jesus were behind their Order, they'd accuse IBM correctly, as one lone Judiast Edwin Black ALONE, has the courage to do. This great single Jew, is braver than all of the Charles Russel adherents. In the face of this truth, they'll still perpetuate the pamphleteering of IBM-enabled 1970's "end tymez" truthbooks, yet they won't even say one word about how IBM enabled their gold which was coined from blood. Yes, for each martyr can produce much gold in reparations, for the offended Order. That is to say, West Germany essentially built Israel up, to say sorry. I am sure Ruthford's club got some reparations pay, and then conveniently invested it right into IBM stock.

Isn't it truly hilarious, that a Religious Order, can use multiple legion of corporate sheilds, and hired law-thugs, and also buy shares in other corporations who behave the same way? Isn't it adorable how these recent creations called "Religious Orders" abuse the human race?

Well anyway, most Corporations like IBM are populated at the top by members of Religious Orders. And the whole point is that all of them, worship Order. The I in IBM means International, so it's nothing to do with America. IBM is guilty of stifling patent abuse and war crimes, but the Watchtower Order won't ever say a whisper about that.

Jesus however, did not start an Order, and did not worship order as did his enemies, the sons of Satan, the Sanhedrin. Jesus worshiped freedom and goodness and gave one command: LOVE. Planning for the death of the world, is not loving, not Christlike. Opposing the Catholics but promoting global bloodletting as a holy thing, is not the way of Jesus. Promoting tech sharing by top Globo Religious Orders, is not acting like Jesus.

Also, being a stupid tool, is very much unlike Jesus. He was informed, clever, and was a ninja-type rebel, acting always lovingly and hidden, praying in secret, and remaining at the street-level of the lepers and the masses.

It is easy to perceive, without even a word, that these Orders, are disobeying Jesus, and shaming him by using his name. I pray that they be removed from this planet utterly.

posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 11:54 AM
They've also predicted the end of the world about half a dozen times

and call their bible the most accurate yet its been edited about 7 times

so yeah I believe them as much as the May whatever 2011 billboards

posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 01:43 PM
reply to post by smallpeeps

Fact #1: JW are forbidden to use the Internet, it is frowned upon. It is Satan's domain, according to their own indoctrination. If you go to a meeting, you will hear 10x that Satan controls the Internet, but you will never hear the words "Yes friends, use the Internet!" ...You will NEVER hear that.


man - you're so brainwashed by someone that you can't even hear yourself think.

Look at just what you said above. It's full of inaccuracies and outright lies if we look at it closely.

Fact #1: JW are forbidden to use the Internet, it is frowned upon.

100% wrong. Just like a loving and caring parent, they give freedom to their children to use the internet but use it with caution as danger lurks behind the keyboard.

In fact many victims of missing children are due to unsupervised social networking.

So anyone can use the internet but use it with great caution is the advice.

It is Satan's domain, according to their own indoctrination.

Wrong again, just like anything else in this world, there's bad and good in it. It all depends on what or which domain / website you go to. Even the good ones still becomes detrimental because it becomes addictive and devote much valuable time to it - valuable time that should be used for more important things.

If you go to a meeting, you will hear 10x that Satan controls the Internet, but you will never hear the words "Yes friends, use the Internet!" ...You will NEVER hear that.

Wrong again - Satan does not control the internet but is using it to further his cause. To corrupt the minds of the many - especially the young ones.

Again it all depends on the type of website you go to and the reason why you go there.

In other words you have the freedom to go anywhere but be warned that you will suffer the consequences of your actions. What you do in your own secret place is between you and your God - be it the internet of something else.

In the end - it's not what the Watchtower will say will come true but what the Word of God in the Bible say will come true. That's why the constant advice is READ THE WORD OF God DAILY! Are you doing this daily?

As for the prophecy, it will come true! That is, the governmental authorities (be it through the U.N or other groups) will eventually destroy the world empire of false religion. This can't be avoided no matter what you or anyone say.

BTW - if you're interested here's an excellent advice from the Awake magazine on the good and bad side of Social Networking.

Awake! — February 2012 - What Should You Know About Social Networking.

I find the material very informative and well balanced.

Here's a sampling:

Consider the topics:

1 How Does Social Networking Affect My Privacy?

2 How Does Social Networking Affect My Time?

-- What you should know.
-- What you can do.

-- What you should know.

If you are not careful, your profile information, photos, status updates (short messages to everyone on your list of friends), and comments (your replies to others’ status updates) could reveal too much. For example, they might reveal such things as where you live, when you are (and are not) at home, where you work, or where you go to school.Your address along with a brief post such as, “We leave for vacation tomorrow!” is enough to tell a thief where and when to strike.

Other details—for instance, your e-mail address, your date of birth, or your phone number—could leave you open to harassment, bullying, or identity theft.Yet,many people readily divulge such information on their social networking page. People tend to forget that once they post something online, it is in the public domain. Even if they specify that their status updates are to be shared with “Friends Only,” they have no control over what those friends might do with the information. Really, anything posted on a social network should be viewed as public or as material that can easily
be made public.

-- What you can do.

Be thoroughly familiar with the privacy settings on your social network, and use them. Restrict access to your status updates and photos to people you know and trust.
Even then, realize that what you post can be made more public than you intend.

Further advice:

Awake! neither endorses nor condemns any particular social networking site. Christians should be sure that their use of the Internet does not violate Bible principles.—1 Timothy 1: 5, 19.

Read the rest here:

SO smallpeps - like I said before, -- too many words not much substance but full of inaccuracies.

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