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Jehovah's Witnesses believe UN will ban Religion

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posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 12:59 PM
reply to post by smallpeeps

Charles Taze Russell predicted that 1914 would be the end of the Gentile times. Although some of their expectations were unfulfilled he tirelessly continued until his death in 1916.

The fact that world events led up to to WW1 isn't really the issue. Nor was CTR the ONLY person predicting that 1914 would be a pivotal year on the world stage.

Neither Barbour nor Russell was the first to explain the Lord’s return as an invisible presence. Much earlier, Sir Isaac Newton (1642-1727) had written that Christ would return and reign “invisible to mortals.” In 1856, Joseph Seiss, a Lutheran minister in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, had written about a two-stage second advent—an invisible pa‧rou‧si′a, or presence, followed by a visible manifestation. Then, in 1864, Benjamin Wilson had published his Emphatic Diaglott with the interlinear reading “presence,” not “coming,” for pa‧rou‧si′a, and B. W. Keith, an associate of Barbour, had drawn it to the attention of Barbour and his associates.

Their bold witnessing about 1914 becoming a pivotal year on the Earth as the year Jesus would take up his throne in heaven was attested to as follows -

“Look Out for 1914!” When World War I broke out in 1914, “The World,” then a leading newspaper in New York City, stated in its magazine section: “The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy. . . . ‘Look out for 1914!’ has been the cry of the hundreds of travelling evangelists, who, representing this strange creed [associated with Russell], have gone up and down the country enunciating the doctrine that ‘the Kingdom of God is at hand.’”—“The World Magazine,” August 30, 1914.

What you and others have not mentioned about CTR is that he spent his entire family fortune on spreading the message of the scriptures worldwide. He also was the pioneer of the first colour motion picture

In 1912, Russell and his associates embarked on a bold educational venture that was far ahead of its time. In fact, it was to reach millions of people worldwide. It was the “Photo-Drama of Creation”—a combination motion picture and slide presentation, synchronized with musical recordings and phonograph-record talks. It was about eight hours in length and was presented in four parts. Besides the regular “Photo-Drama,” the “Eureka Drama,” consisting of either the recorded lectures and musical recordings or the records plus the slides, was also made available.

Though it lacked motion pictures, it was successfully presented in less densely populated areas. Imagine the historic scene: In January 1914, during the era of silent movies, an audience of 5,000 gathered at The Temple, a building on West 63rd Street, in New York City. Many others had to be turned away. The occasion? Why, the premiere in New York of the “Photo-Drama of Creation”! Before the audience was a large motion-picture screen. As they watched—and listened—something truly amazing happened. C. T. Russell, then in his early 60’s, appeared on the screen. His lips began to move, and his words could be heard! As the presentation continued, it took those in attendance—by means of words, color pictures, and music—from earth’s creation to the end of Christ’s Millennial Reign.

During the presentation they also saw (by means of time-lapse photography) other things that astounded them—the unfolding of a flower and the hatching of a chick. They were truly impressed! By the end of 1914, the “Photo-Drama” had been presented before millions of persons in North America, Europe, New Zealand, and Australia. The “Photo-Drama” certainly proved to be an effective means of reaching masses of people in a relatively short period of time.

Whilst his father was a Freemason, CTR rejected his roots as well as many of the practices of traditional church teachings. Although he did beleive that the Pyramid of Giza was the Great Stone Witness of God in Egypt - this had nothing to do with the Pyramidology and the third eye of freemasonary.
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posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 01:07 PM

Originally posted by Machine
There will only be one authorized religion in the last days. Everyone will be forced to worship the beast and receive his mark. The vast majority will not only accept this fact but they will also be proud to be apart of it. Sounds insane when you consider it but in time it will make sense.

Originally posted by TruthStrgnrThanFiction
isnt UN and NWO all about combining all religions into one religion like a big happy masonic lodge?!!!! then the beast comes and says im god etc etc?
its nothing about banning religion, or are the jhv witnesses right?

I believe it is true based upon the time I spent with a new age cult in NYC that was founded in Japan. They would regularly send teams of people to spread their "gospel" and give "light" at UN Headquarters for diplomats and other leaders.

I have to admit that their message was very alluring because they only took the best parts of Buddhism, Taoism, Christianity, and Judaism when they spun together their own new ideology. It also helpped that they were very laissez-faire about whether a person wanted to continue practicing their previous religion. Unlinke most religions/cults, they had a very non-pushy approach wrapped in an altruistic message, which was very appealing.

Sounds great right? It was until I started researching the history of their "messiah-like" founder and his past, which was not so pretty.

The real threat is that the majority of Chrisitans who do not study scripture (most modern Christians) would have a hard time reconciling whether Bible scripture actually holds true against the claims they make, such as Jesus told of our coming. It would not at all be hard to believe that a large number of Christians would be deceived and converted to some new religion that promises spiritual protection and healing when the world starts falling apart.

I believe that their plan is to create chaos and suffering and then present a religion that offers magic protection or cures (really advanced technology) in exchange for complete obedience. Most people today will probably believe it's a supernatural power and others will accept just to escape the horrors they are about unleash.
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posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 05:04 PM

Originally posted by JB1234
The fact that world events led up to to WW1 isn't really the issue. Nor was CTR the ONLY person predicting that 1914 would be a pivotal year on the world stage.

Wasn't the issue for who? You? That means nothing. You opinions and beliefs are completely false in regards to 1914, you can't even understand information I place right before you.

It's sad to see you proceed like this. Truly.

Anyway, your statement above, about how "Lots of people knew 1914 would be a pivotal year" is probably one of the more banal and obvious comments you've made, so far.

Anyway, after all the data I posted on the last page, it seems fitting to explain that the entire "New World" called the USA, where the Watchtower has its headquarters as well as the UN has their headquarters in New York, which is a name based on Old York, which is in the UK/Zio area, was taken over competely by UK/Zio bankers in 1913 with the Creature From Jekyll Island aka The Federal Reserve Bank Act.

So does it take a genius to figure out that after the US was completely stolen away with the stroke of Woody Wilson and "Col" Mandell House's Jesuit pens, that things would proceed Armageddon-ly, from there?

You are truly sad how you know nothing of history but can only spew Watchtower propaganda. You stand to have potentially huge bloodguilt on your hands if you proceed to pronounce that this church is the true church. You are leading people off a cliff, and you refuse to know anything about history. You are a fool.
edit on 9-1-2012 by smallpeeps because: yeah sure

posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 07:13 PM
reply to post by smallpeeps

YOU are the one that does not know his history - never mind the personal insults contained in every post, which is totally unnecesary and something that is simply not worth respoinding to.

Why would the US government arrest members of the governing body and close the WT headquarters down at the behest of religious leaders during WW1 if they were part of the conspiracy to start it?

But not everyone was thrilled with the success of The Finished Mystery. The book contained some references to the clergy of Christendom that were very cutting. This so angered the clergy that they urged the government to suppress the publications of the Bible Students. As a result of this clergy-inspired opposition, early in 1918, The Finished Mystery was banned in Canada. Opposition soon mounted against the Bible Students in the United States.

To expose this clergy-inspired pressure, on March 15, 1918, the Watch Tower Society released the tract Kingdom News No. 1. Its message? The six-column-wide headline read: “Religious Intolerance—Pastor Russell’s Followers Persecuted Because They Tell the People the Truth.” Below the heading “Treatment of Bible Students Smacks of the ‘Dark Ages’” were set forth the facts of the persecution and the ban that had begun in Canada. The instigators? The tract pulled no punches in pointing to the clergy, who were described as “a bigoted class of men who have systematically endeavored to prevent the people from understanding the Bible and to throttle all Bible teaching unless it comes through them.” What a hard-hitting message!

How did the clergy respond to such an exposé? They had already stirred up trouble against the Watch Tower Society. But now they got vicious! In the spring of 1918, a wave of violent persecution was launched against the Bible Students in both North America and Europe. The clergy-inspired opposition came to a head on May 7, 1918, when U.S. federal warrants were issued for the arrest of J. F. Rutherford and several of his close associates. By mid-1918, Rutherford and seven associates found themselves in the federal penitentiary in Atlanta, Georgia.

posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 09:41 PM

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Blue_Jay33

This isn't a thread about Ron Paul.

There are 10,000 other RP-related threads. You couldn't post in one of them?

Because Jesus Christ told us to "Keep On The Watch", and I am watching the Ron Paul ideology of non-intervention develop which I believe could lead to the UN gaining significantly more power to do what this thread says, that's why. You might not like it, but it's worth watching anyway.

posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 03:44 PM

Originally posted by JB1234
Why would the US government arrest members of the governing body and close the WT headquarters down at the behest of religious leaders during WW1 if they were part of the conspiracy to start it?

As a result of this clergy-inspired opposition, early in 1918, The Finished Mystery was banned in Canada. Opposition soon mounted against the Bible Students in the United States.

By mid-1918, Rutherford and seven associates found themselves in the federal penitentiary in Atlanta, Georgia.

This is post 1914 events during which the Russell ownership of Watchtower Corporate power/occult was stolen by B'nai Br'ith which is evil-Jewish Masonry. Rutherford was their tool, a complete showman like PT barnum. I don't buy Judge Ruthie for a second. Russell may have been okay as his was a more innocent age, but the Rutherford crew that strongarmed him out of his own little cult, well, that was just plain rude.

Rutherford's history hasn't been researched as well so far as I know. If anyone's got good dirt on him they can post it here, but for my money, the guy was totally Zio-Mason of a different flavor, and they got jealous of CTR's 1914 payday as he "called it right" and therefore appeared Zio-prophetic, which Rutherford's masters didn't like. I suspect Rutherford may also have been a front for crypto-Jesuits who would surely covet the prophetic power of the CTR 1914-jackpot. I mean imagine having called WW1 to the year and then using that to prove yourself a prophet? CTR kinda set himself up in this way. The question is, who empowered "The Judge", such a totally different man than CTR, to have the power to wrest this global Zio-religo-publishing conglom from the hands of a Russell? It takes real power to make a move like what Judge Rutherford did.

Anyway, in 1918, two Jesuits, Mandel House (called himself Colonel but wasn't) and Woodrow Wilson, hobbled America in concert and conspiracy. The results of their treachery are apparent to all. The main question is this: Which church protects their top agents more successfully? The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, or the Society of Jesus? It is a fair question, one which you are not equipped to even address.
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posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 05:26 PM

Originally posted by smallpeeps
imagine having called WW1 to the year and then using that to prove yourself a prophet? CTR kinda set himself up in this way.

I used the phrase UK/Zio power but what I am referring to is best personified in the evil modern slavery expert and UK/Globo-domo aficionado, Cecil Rhodes.

Zionism and "State of Rothschild" stealing of Palestine as prophecy, was accomplished by much bloodshed before CTR's 1914 dreamdate. Way before that, there were deathly long-range schemes focused upon the US people. Essentially the 14th amendments and beyond, are all fraudulent. It's sad that CTR and his buddies didn't try to follow Lincoln's greatness but instead became pious tools of Rome.

Great book below, I wanted to post a single salient comment from a reviewer. All credit to the author of the review.

[BTW. this book and "Dope Inc" should be required curriculum in US schools. Or it could be given door to door in a ministry of truth. But will the Watchtower ever hand out ACTUALLY USEFUL BOOKS? Nope. Well not unless they elect a President who has their best interests at heart.]

Anglo-American Establishment [Paperback]
Quigley Carroll (Author)

Book Description
ISBN-10: 0945001010
ISBN-13: 978-0945001010

Publication Date: June 1981

Quigley exposes the secret society's established in London in 1891, by Cecil Rhodes. Quigley explains how these men worked in union to begin their society to control the world. He explains how all the wars from that time were deliberately created to control the economies of all the nations.

38 of 39 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A must read.
May 12, 1999

By A Customer

A must read for those who want to see America remain a sovereign nation.

Quigley gives a meticulous account of the history of the Rhodes scholarships, and those that implemented the desires set forth in the wills of Cecil Rhodes, the British diamond king and colonial statesman.

Since 1904, this scholarship has been used to train "men of ability and enthusiasm who find no suitable way to serve their country under the current political system" at Oxford Universary in England. The goal is uniting the world. These Rhodes scholars are now serving in key positions all over the world.

Much of the book is devoted to Sir Alfred Milner and the "Milner Group." Upon Rhodes' death, Milner obtained control of Rhodes' money and was able to use it to lubricate the working of propaganda throughout the world.

Quigley says of the Milner group: "No country that values its safety should allow what the Milner group accomplished - that is, that a small number of men would be able to wield such power in administration and politics, should be given almost complete control over the publication of documents relating to their actions, should be able to exercise such influence over the avenues of information that create public opinion, and should be able to monopolize so completely the writing and the teaching of the history of their own period."


posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 11:42 AM
In line with the above truths, this blog is a good one. Relevant comments here trump all attempts to shape thinking along cultish corporate lines. Do not be deceived as to the true forces looming to reduce world population then rebuild after.


The seeds of America’s demise were planted by the Jewish banking system which allows the privately owned Federal to create money out of nothing and then through fractional reserve banking lend out 10 to 30 times as much as was originally created. This will in due time create an unpayable debt and interest burden which is designed to transfer all wealth to the banks. It also creates a Depression just like the one the world is now entering. In the last Depression three million Americans died from starvation between 1929 and 1939 according to the Russian demographer Borisov. As I have said before, this current Depression should be called the Greatest Starvation because I believe 9 million Americans will die of starvation without a banking reform that only a political earthquake could bring about.

When this Depression is over, the Rothschild Criminal Network will buy everything for pennies in the dollar with money they stole from us.

As we saw, 1913 was the year the seeds of the collapse of the American dollar were sown. In 1912 the president of a rabbinical association changed his political affiliation from Republican to Democrat so he could vote for Woodrow Wilson. He had heard from the Rothschild network what a good thing World War I would be for Judaica. In 1915 a Rothschild agent from JP Morgan told a group of Philadelphia businessmen that America would enter the war so the war would go past 1915. This is according to Ferdinand Lundberg’s classic America’s 60 Families. The war had to last until England, France, Russia and Germany went bankrupt making America the world financial center. It also made World War II possible.


"Good for Judaica" and "made World War II possible" are two comments from the above blog.

But hmm, was WW2 "good for Judaica"? I mean, the only result of WW2 was to establish the State of Israel on the foundation of the Rothschildian Balfour agreement and to holocaust the enemies who opposed that State.

I suppose having your own nuclear-missile-armed state in the center of the city which Pharaohs fought for, might be considered "good". But to bring money-crimes and nukes into Jerusalem, could only be the works of Armageddonists who believe "rich Jews moving to Palestine" is God's main interest. People like CTR would be thrilled today to know Israel has had nukes since the 1970s at least. Hopefully you can see that population reduction is the central aligning force here. It makes great friendships among the occult families when they talk about eliminating 1 in 7 people on the planet. No really, when they talk about the death and horror of Armageddon, they probably experience some kind of sexual gratification. It is a known psychological fact that some people get sexually aroused by seeing animals slaughtered.


Hey that's another book the JWs should offer as real truth in their new ministry of non-Armageddon. I am referring of course to "Psychopathia Sexualis" of course.

Yes, that's a very good, historic and true book of how people around 1914 think, and of course the knowledge of these matters will beg further questions as to why some religions police the bedrooms of their followers. But when you research the people at the nexus of these events, it is easy to see how power over others is gotten and kept.

The word to look for here is "loosh". Now can anyone tell me what "loosh" is? If not, then you're not really qualified yet, to post in this thread. Google it. "loosh".

Anyway, there's not much US can do these days. It is completely in the hands of Israel, as to when Armageddon happens. Sucks but just like they blamed the USS Liberty on Iran (before is was found that they themselves did it) they are the instigator of wars, and the picker of everyone's pocket with their fake money.

But how else can we get to "The New System(tm)"? Think about it real hard, do some research, and then reply here.

posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 12:21 AM
Is this how it will start?

Religion on collision course with governmental authorities?

Ozarks Catholics Fighting 'Unprecedented Attack on Religious Freedom'

Catholics across the country and in the Ozarks say a mandate that requires all faith-based entities except churches to provide insurance coverage for birth control is an attack on their moral convictions.

Local Catholic priests speak out against federal contraception mandate

As National Journal notes: "The explosion of anger from American church leaders was immediate. On Sunday, bishops in at least 125 of the 195 dioceses in the country had letters of protest read from the pulpit at all Masses. Four bishops -- in Phoenix; Cincinnati; Green Bay, Wis.; and Lubbock, Texas -- warned of civil disobedience.

"'We cannot -- we will not comply with this unjust law. People of faith cannot be made second-class citizens,' said the letter from Bishop Thomas Olmsted of Phoenix," reported the Journal.

No matter how they look at this - the Catholic religion will be on the losing end of the bargain for this simple fact:

"The administration has provided over $2 billion to Catholic organizations over the past three years in addition to numerous non-financial partnerships that promote healthy communities and serve the common good," Carney said.

So they took money from the government thus they have no choice but to either pay it back or abide by the governmental rules or else suffer the consequences.

If they will do like what they are saying "of civil disobedience" then the marriage is over.

But no matter what - one thing is for sure will happen: the prophecy will be fulfilled.

The conglomerate of the world's religion will get hit hard by the political system.

The writing on the wall is now clear: 'Comply to the governmental laws or we will close you down."

posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 01:27 AM

The UN itself admitted yesterday that it was surprised that the sect, whose formal name is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, had been accepted on its list of non-governmental organisations for the last 10 years. A former member said: "There is a glaring inconsistency which has emerged between the WTBTS's frequent portrayal of the UN as an evil organisation and its behind-the-scenes attempts to curry favour with that organisation. Were individual members to be aware of any formal link they would be devastated.

"By no stretch of the imagination could the WTBTS be considered to share the ideals of the UN charter unless you suppose that destruction of the UN by God is consistent with that charter."

Jehovah's Witnesses link to UN queried Sect accused of hypocrisy over association with organisation it has demonised.

Pot meet Kettle.

posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 07:01 PM
reply to post by sonnny1

sonnny1 - sorry to say this but this is old news and been debunked already since 2001 and your quote is total a misinformation.

"By no stretch of the imagination could the WTBTS be considered to share the ideals of the UN charter unless you suppose that destruction of the UN by God is consistent with that charter."

I wonder are you a JW hater to propagate such flimsy lie? What was your intention in posting such a lie?

Anyway here's a website that I found by just a simple Google of NGO and Jehovah's Witnesses:

I'm not sure who the author of the website is but I find the information and the research done to be very accurate. It even posted the letter explaining the reason why the WTBS became an NGO and why no longer.

If you care for the truth I suggest you read the this link:

Here's a screen capture of of the front page.

Now may I know this from you? Are you full pledge supporter of the UN?

Or do you belong to one these religious group that are proud members of the UN?

The WCC statement encourages UN member states "to recognize and accept the importance of the universality of human rights and to work for it in a spirit of cooperation across regional lines". The new UN body should recognize the contribution of churches and civil society organizations to the promotion and defense of human rights, and guarantee them "unhindered access" to its sessions, the WCC emphasizes. At the same time, it calls on WCC member churches to "continue to work closely with the Human Rights Council," among others by "monitoring compliance with internationally accepted human rights, norms and standards".

Here's a list of all the members of the WCC:

Here's another group of Churches having membership with the UN

"The World Council of Religious Leaders (WCRL), an independent body, works to bring religious resources to support the work of the United Nations in our common quest for peace. WCRL is not an official part of the United Nations, nor does it have any status with the United Nations.

The formation of the World Council of Religious Leaders was one of the stated goals of the Millennium World Peace Summit. The objective of this Council is to serve as a resource to the United Nations and its agencies around the world, nation states and other international organizations, offering the collective wisdom and resources of the faith traditions toward the resolution of critical global problems."


Notice the close relationship between the Holysee and WCC with the UN in regards to World Peace.

"The World Council of Churches and the Roman Catholic Church have often stated that the United Nations Organization is the chief temporal hope for world peace.” -- December 7, 1973, by Cardinal Maurice Roy and by Dr. Philip Potter, secretary-general of WCC.

SO are a you current member of the WCC or WCRL or the RC?

What about Islamic countries?

OIC Permanent Observer Mission to the UN organizes a panel on the role of the faith-based organizations and interfaith initiatives in reconciliation and peacemaking OIC Permanent Observer Mission to the UN in New York organized a panel event on Monday - 6 February 2012 within the framework of the World Interfaith Harmony Week. The panel titled "The Role of the Faith-based Organizations and Interfaith Initiatives in Reconciliation and Peacemaking", and moderated by Ambassador Ufuk Gokcen, OIC's Permanent Observer to the UN, featured such distinguished speakers as Turkey's Permanent Representative to the UN HE Ambassador Ertugrul Apakan, Deputy Permanent Representative of Finland, Dr. Joyce Dubensky of the Tanenbaum Center, Prof. Marc Gopin of George Mason University, Dr. William Vendley of World Conference for Religions for Peace, Dr. Azhar Hussain of International Center for Religion and Diplomacy, and Rabbi Arthur Schneier of the Appeal of Conscience Foundation. read more

So who do you think has a direct link and relationship with the UN?

JW's or the WCC, WCRL, RC or the OIC?

Furthermore do you still believe the lie that you've just posted?

edit on 11-2-2012 by edmc^2 because: edit

posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 07:16 PM
reply to post by edmc^2

I believe that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society,is no different then Scientology.

This action was significant because it demonstrated the hypocrisy of the Watchtower organization to teach one thing to its followers, while negotiating for other interests with the very form of “Satan’s system” that it consistently denounced. This condemnation of the UN as the “image of the wild beast” continued throughout its 10-year association with the UN as even just a year prior the Society’s official disassociation from the UN, the Watchtower claimed:

“What is an NGO? A non-governmental organization (NGO) is a not-for-profit, voluntary citizens’ group, which is organized on a local, national or international level to address issues in support of the public good. …About 1,500 NGOs with strong information programmes on issues of concern to the UN are associated with the Department of Public Information (DPI), giving the UN valuable links to people around the world. DPI helps these NGOs gain access to and disseminate information about the issues in which the United Nations is involved so that the public can better understand the aims and objectives of the world Organization and support its work.” —

As is clearly stated, in order for the Watchtower Society to have been associated with the UN as an NGO, the organization would have been required to disseminate information about the UN’s objectives in a way that would indicate “support” for its work. As is clearly seen, the Society violated these terms by its disdainful statements made about the UN to the Jehovah’s Witnesses inside the organization. Yet, publicly, the Society attempted to comply with the UN’s policy of “support” by publishing positive articles about the United Nation’s activities and promoting its agenda in its Awake! magazine that was distributed to the general public as late as July of 2001.

“International Year of Volunteers …On November 20, 1997, the General Assembly of the United Nations proclaimed the year 2001 to be the ‘International Year of Volunteers,’ (IYV 2001). According to the UN, there are four objectives to be achieved during the year. …The UN hopes that IYV 2001 will result in more requests for the services of volunteers. …A total of 123 governments have joined in sponsoring the objectives of this UN resolution. …The box ‘International Year of Volunteers’ describes some of the goals the UN hopes to reach. …there are still numerous individuals around the world who are willing to make a difference. What motivates to them to do so? What do they accomplish? And how may they affect your life?” —Awake! July 22, 2001, p. 5


“Who may use the library? …Anyone with a valid United Nations Headquarters grounds pass, including specialized agencies, accredited media and NGO staff, is able to visit the library. Due to security constraints in place at the United Nations Headquarters complex, the library is not open to the general public. The vast majority of recent documentation is available to everyone electronically.”


“…the Criteria for Association of NGOs—at least in their latest version—contain some language that we cannot subscribe to.”

The criteria for association for NGOs have not been changed since 1991…

Not only has the “Criteria for Association of NGOs” not changed since 1991, but the Society has always been required to “support” and promote the ideals of the UN since its association in 1991. This can be seen stated in the following quotes taken from the 1994 version of the “United Nations Department of Public Information and Non-Governmental Organizations”

.:THE WATCHTOWER AND THE UNITED NATIONS - The Watchtower Severs Its 10-Year Association With The United Nations After Public Exposure

Care to try again?

posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 07:52 PM
reply to post by sonnny1

ot only has the “Criteria for Association of NGOs” not changed since 1991, but the Society has always been required to “support” and promote the ideals of the UN since its association in 1991. This can be seen stated in the following quotes taken from the 1994 version of the “United Nations Department of Public Information and Non-Governmental Organizations”

Interesting that you say the above but are you saying that the WTBS is a UN NGO member "to “support” and promote the ideals of the UN since its association in 1991"?

Or is it a DPI NGO for the purpose of accessing the U.N's "archives and research facilities..."?

Are you aware that there's a difference between the two?

Then there's also the ECOSOC - any idea what is it?

Anyway I'm not sure what you are but your sources are from ex-JW's who left the organization for one reason or another or are DF. So of course they will gather all lies and present them as facts.

But one thing for sure will come true - no matter how you twist or derail the thread: The World's Political System Will destroy religion, either thru the UN or thru its member nations.

As you can see it's already happening worldwide and all that your doing is ignoring the facts.

You can disregard what the JW's are saying but the you can't ignore the Scriptures namely - the "beast will hate the harlot".

Do you disagree with this prophecy?

posted on Feb, 12 2012 @ 11:18 AM
Stick to the common origins of both the UN and the CT Russell Printing Company.

If you don't go to the root, you're just masturbating. And that is forbidden to JWs so stop it.

Proceed with meaning, toward truth. Go back and read what I posted about the common origins of the Russell Trust and Bnai Brith and the Federal Reserve.

I love the JW people, just not their trance. It is a deep trance, but surely the UN has their own sheep who are similarly entranced.

The Marxist-Luciferian Rockefeller-Rothschild tribes are entranced with the UN. The sheeplike and emptyheaded JW is entranced with the Governing Body of their corporation. But the premise at the center of both, desires 95% of the world to die, so that the shared god of both houses, a volcano god in opposition to peace, can be placated.

Remember: When anyone says "Peace! Security!" that is when these forces will unleash hell. They see peace and security and not only impossible, but unwanted, and even, Satanic. Seriously, examine yourselves and ask if you don't see peace and security as a threat, just as your God does. Surely you want rivers of blood just like your God does, right? Think hard, and do not dissonate. Gaze straight into the abyss of your empty head and answer honestly.

posted on Feb, 12 2012 @ 03:35 PM
reply to post by smallpeeps

Question smallpeeps

Do you have any comments about the possibility of the UN banning religion?

Or is it an un-reality in your perspective?


posted on Feb, 12 2012 @ 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Xcouncil=wisdom
reply to post by smallpeeps

Question smallpeeps

Do you have any comments about the possibility of the UN banning religion?

Or is it an un-reality in your perspective?


My answer goes like this:

The symbol used by the UN, is the laurels around a globe. See here:

The symbol used by the future-think called "Star Trek", is exactly the same, except instead of the globe, it's stars. See here:

Now, first of all, Star Trek as such, is predicated on Armageddon. That's a canonical fact, that you cannot have Captain Kirk without the events with preceed him, namely a few decades from now, when the world is destroyed, and eventually you get Starfleet, etc, etc.

So I know it sounds strange, but the Star Trek programming is not forbidden to the Witnesses, as it comes down from the higher teir within their cadre. What I mean is that, Starfleet Academy, is future programming for a post-apocalypse world, where in the future, people will try to build a Star Trek type world. What I mean is that all JW and all worldlings are subjected to what will be the plan for post apocalypse. Everyone knows that Kirk and Spock are some kind of idealized future team, one an alien hybrid and the other, pure midwest cowboy. It's a great show, and I know its codex well.

Anyway, your question is if the UN will destroy all religion. Well obvious they can't just do that. That's why the core plan for the cadre of evil, is to all be as evil as possible, in the name of good. Therefore there is created a vacuum in the world, where there is no good, only empty words of good. Certainly CTR's church still plays off this, they admit "the whole world is in Satan's power" and of course, they are correct, because Jesus himself did not do a deal with Satan, when he was offered the world as a prize. So the JW feels righteous, yet is allowed to muse inside his head, as to what "the new system" will be like. I surmise that inside the JW mind, when it is thinking about "the new system" which will come after Armageddon, there is a rush of endorphines or pleasure chemicals. I think daydreaming does produce a certain type of mental bind and so end tymez programming is almost recommended, when one has to manage a herd of humans. They love to imagine the world after the revolution. Maybe it'll be great?

But my point is this: If the JW is correct, and Armageddon happens, then Captain Kirk himself will be disallowed in the new system. In the "new system" of JW imaginings and artwork, there can be no pop culture, nothing worldly, nothing from the old world. Therefore, Star Trek collectibles, will be heretical, and those who own them, will surrender their action figures or die.

Well anyway, you question wasn't about the JWs but the UN. Yes, as I have explained, the UN is a completely evil thing created by crypto-Judiasts and Jesuits working in concert with Jesuits Mandell House and Woodrow Wilson to pass the 18th amendment, the League of Nations, and pre-WW2 events all at the same time. Yes, the UN is a tool of Rothschild-Rockefeller familiy engagements and tactics.

In the true analysis, there are occult families who all unite against the sheep. This is called a "cartel". So the answer is that all members of the cartel anticipate and would love Armageddon (50-90% pop reduction and mass concentration camps of Satanic delights) but as rats in a sack, they will never stop fighting each other.

This is why there can never be true peace and security so long as these families are allowed to exist as hollowed out tools of Satan. Yet it is Satan's planet, as any Christian can observe, so you ask if the UN wants to destroy all religion and I say that all religions are already destroyed, and it happened mostly during the 20th Century. At this point, humanity is still in shock. Like a boxer that has had a brutal combo applied to his jaw and he's out on his feet. WW3 aka Armageddon is like that cheap shot which is usually illegal in boxing but which dudes get away with, where you land the worst punch even as the guy is unconscious and falling to the ground. You can literally punch a man as he's falling and make his head rebound harder off the canvas. A bloodthirsty fighter, if the ref is lazy, will deliver that third, crippling punch. But generally it is not considered to be fair fighting, to hit a man when he's headed down. Well anyway, how else can they produce Captain Kirk if they don't make all the world lose faith? So it is your faith in God, that is attacked. All dogmas aside.
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posted on Feb, 12 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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I see you are person of many words....

I think I did get an answer believe the UN has already destroyed religion for the most part? I think thats what I got out of your reply.

But not officially, just effectively right?

So my question now changes from do you think they will (ban religion) to:

HOW could they officially go about it?

posted on Feb, 12 2012 @ 07:21 PM

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posted on Feb, 12 2012 @ 09:23 PM

Originally posted by Xcouncil=wisdom
So my question now changes from do you think they will (ban religion) to:

HOW could they officially go about it?

I think you mean, how DID they officially go about it. It's a fait accompli, as I said. It's done. All that's left is for people to climb into the rotten tree and try to put weight on the branches. That's the point of hollowing something out, it still looks robust until tested by refugees and concentration camps.

fait accompli
lit. accomplished fact; something that has already happened and is thus unlikely to be reversed, a done deal.

HOW they did it, was through the wretched horrors of the 20th century, the bloodiest and most horrific ever.

Hmm, did the US bomb even one concentration camp? I know for sure they had detailed photos of them and intel as to what was being done, yet no bombs at all. They wanted the camps opened like a present on Satan's birthday. They allowed it to proceed, so that the events could take their course. Not one IBM-organized SS camp was hit by a bomb. Remember as mentioned, Himmler was raised by Jesuits, so the universe itself says they have to explain their creation and his deeds. Also Stalin was raised by Jesuits and also Israel went from nothing to nuke-armed in like 15 years, record time. Therefore once JFK died and Israel went nuclear, it would have been time for the Vatican to say something. But they didn't, and that proves that they consented to JFKs death. They held Israels nuclear bag all this time, saying nothing. The Vatican and House Red Hex are in on the same tag team.

Yeahmm and did the Pontiff of Italy or the supposedly neutral Swiss ever have to explain themselves as to WW2 events? Of course not, because under the Congress of Vienna, they don't have to. War and bloodlettings are their right as pious servants of Rome. Rome after WW2, became the tool of the mafia Dons who the US raised up. See Michael Corleone who is a US Marine, and becomes Godfather, and finally, a Knight of Malta. Great movies those Godfather ones. Rated R, so most JWs haven't seen them, sadly.

I'm saying that the two world wars have traumatized the entire human race so badly that it will take decades to ride out the emotional scars. At this time, it's already done. Humans, after being put through this last hundred years, have no more faith in their organized churches. That's all by design.

However, I have here in this thread, detailed some books and some key ideas, that could bring about the JW paradise and the New System (tm) without the need for Armageddon. I would be happy if anyone would summarize my ideas because I do truly feel that if they are followed, that the Watchtower can be saved. The United Nations, however, is a total loss and cannot be salvaged even for parts.

posted on Feb, 12 2012 @ 09:48 PM
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I think I see your point that there is a lack of real faith and as such most religions are effectively dead?

I also think that there are a about 14 million jews a couple billion christians and a 1 and a half billion muslims almost a billion hindu's and buddhists and even half a million wiccans who would probably dissagree with your assertion. (the vision of the harlot...babylon the great is supposed to represent the world empire of false I'm gonna put all of these in that basket) I don't know how accurate this source is, but for the purpose of the argument...I'd say its good enough.

The UN has not abolished religion.
I cannot argue your point that effectively there is no real global faith in God by a majority of the peoples.

But I am interested in the concept that the UN could legally ban religion and how can that be possible.

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