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reply posted on 8-7-2009 @ 06:55 PM by holywar

reply to post by TheShrewdOne

First let me say... WELCOME TO ATS!!!!!

I'm glad you are on board. I am one of Jehovah's Witness as well, and it's hard to keep up with all the recent JW threads. I try my best to respond as much as possible, but with two small children and a part-time job, it's almost impossible to respond to every single lie and slander.

Take care my brother/sister?

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reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 09:54 AM by sinthia

I haven't read all 20 pages so apologise if this has already been mentioned, but the seventh day advantists also believe that the UN will ban religion, or at least make it a crime to be a 'Christian'. Another cultic commonallity.

reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 03:32 PM by holywar

Originally posted by sinthia
I haven't read all 20 pages so apologise if this has already been mentioned, but the seventh day advantists also believe that the UN will ban religion, or at least make it a crime to be a 'Christian'. Another cultic commonallity.

What is so "cultic" about it????

You should learn more about the UN's history and the beliefs of it's founders.

How the UN could move on religion

The role of the UN

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reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 10:33 AM by sinthia

Seventh Day Advantists and JWs are both cults along with the Mormons.

I know plenty about the UN thanks.

reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 11:08 AM by Hazelnut

JW's believe The United Nations is The Beast who will instigate Armageddon by persecuting JW's and other religions. They look forward to this development as prophesy fulfilled. The fact that they believe UN will destroy christianity (read: absorb all religions to create One World Religion).

From personal experience, my advice to anyone is to stay as far away from these people as possible. With little exception, the members of this cult prey on the mentally and emotionally needy, the worst of the worst dregs of society are welcomed with open arms, plied with fairy tales of a new earth, perfect health and life forever in paradise on the condition of isolation from the rest of the "world". See The Truth That Leads To Eternal Life, Watchtower Publications. That one little primer will cause anyone searching for God to tremble in fear.

Then once the preliminaries are accomplished, the real brainwashing, mental programming begins with guilt and fear.

Horrible group of people that can't be trusted. My experience and opinions based on a true story - mine.

reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 02:11 PM by sinthia

I believe in a millenial kingdom on Earth under the rule of Jesus Christ, just not in the JW theology - one doesn't exclude the other. The millenium is clearly a biblical teaching - even the JWs can't claim that one!!

reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 03:12 PM by holywar

Originally posted by sinthia
Seventh Day Advantists and JWs are both cults along with the Mormons.

I know plenty about the UN thanks.

you can think whatever you want, BUT.....

your statement is OFF TOPIC, it has NOTHING to do with the possibility of the United Nations banning religion. This is just an opportunity for you to vent your hatred. Not making any meaningful contribution on the topic.

Now, on the topic:

Do you not see how current sanctions are being used to instigate this situation?

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reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 03:21 PM by holywar

reply to post by Hazelnut

Horrible group of people that can't be trusted. My experience and opinions based on a true story - mine.

WOW! you really need to take a chill pill.

I read your experience, you started a whole thread about it in this forum, and was moved to BTS, in a NON-RELIGIOUS forum. I wonder why??? oh, I know... because your experience had NO religious conspiracy in it.

Are you not satisfied with your JW hating binge thread, that you must come here and post such ridiculous things about us????

How about staying on topic, and looking at the bigger picture of what is being discussed here? My goodness!!!!

reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 03:50 PM by Hazelnut

Originally posted by holywar
reply to post by Hazelnut

Horrible group of people that can't be trusted. My experience and opinions based on a true story - mine.

WOW! you really need to take a chill pill.

I read your experience, you started a whole thread about it in this forum, and was moved to BTS, in a NON-RELIGIOUS forum. I wonder why??? oh, I know... because your experience had NO religious conspiracy in it.

Are you not satisfied with your JW hating binge thread, that you must come here and post such ridiculous things about us????

How about staying on topic, and looking at the bigger picture of what is being discussed here? My goodness!!!!

From my reply:

JW's believe The United Nations is The Beast who will instigate Armageddon by persecuting JW's and other religions. They look forward to this development as prophesy fulfilled. The fact that they believe UN will destroy christianity (read: absorb all religions to create One World Religion).

Thank you Holywar for proving my statement to be true. Your attitude does indeed reflect a warlike character. Holy? Not so much.

From this point forward, you are on ignore. War away, I won't be watching.

reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 06:59 PM by holywar

reply to post by Hazelnut

From this point forward, you are on ignore. War away, I won't be watching.

WONDERFUL!

now MAYBE there will be a less slander and lies, and more constructive input on the subject at hand.

Thank you!

reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 07:22 PM by Seaside

reply to post by Volkgeister

Well they can disband all religion.. And then guess what.. You get small little cult groups growing up all over your nation!!
Religious fantics would play into the whole role of being cast out.. And become warriors of God, and take the country back and turn everything to an even bigger nightmare!
No I think we should just let religions be.. Yes they can be crule, but it keeps them in check.. Its Gods Will.. Not mine.. we are just here to enforce that fath..

reply posted on 11-7-2009 @ 09:54 AM by sinthia

"Originally posted by sinthia
Seventh Day Advantists and JWs are both cults along with the Mormons.

I know plenty about the UN thanks.

you can think whatever you want, BUT.....

your statement is OFF TOPIC, it has NOTHING to do with the possibility of the United Nations banning religion. This is just an opportunity for you to vent your hatred. Not making any meaningful contribution on the topic."

How is saying that SDA and JWs are cults which believe that the UN wants to do away with religion, of topic???????!!!

Infact, the topic title is a statement of the poster - so there isn't a lot to discuss. The fact that other cults believe the same thing doesn't mean that I hate them. I pity them, and hope that they can find the courage to leave their organisations and follow Jesus Christ - rather than the false prophets which founded these organisations under discussion.
I applaude your devotion to the JWs, but I also know that their theology leads to destruction.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

reply posted on 11-7-2009 @ 11:33 AM by holywar

reply to post by sinthia

How is saying that SDA and JWs are cults which believe that the UN wants to do away with religion, of topic???????!!!

Infact, the topic title is a statement of the poster - so there isn't a lot to discuss. The fact that other cults believe the same thing doesn't mean that I hate them. I pity them, and hope that they can find the courage to leave their organisations and follow Jesus Christ - rather than the false prophets which founded these organisations under discussion.
I applaude your devotion to the JWs, but I also know that their theology leads to destruction.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

We all know the connotations that the word "CULT" has, it's defamatory by nature. You guys LOVE labeling us with that word. But the fact is... we are NOT a "cult".

I'll repeat myself, your original statement had no real contribution, it was simply name calling. Is Ron Paul part of a "cult" because he thinks along the same line about the UN and religion??????

Thank you for your applaud, and as far as "our theology" leading us to destruction... I'll let Jesus be the Judge of that.

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reply posted on 11-7-2009 @ 01:00 PM by sinthia

"We all know the connotations that the word "CULT" has, it's defamatory by nature. You guys LOVE labeling us with that word. But the fact is... we are NOT a "cult"."

I don't know what you percieve me to be, but I am a non-denominational Christian male, ie I am not a member of any sect, and I read the Bible for myself, rather than rely on following a set of beliefs dictated by an organisation. I can see that the JW's, although maybe sincere and devoted to Jesus, don't follow his Gospel.

It is a matter of history that the founders of the JWs, SDAs and Mormons were all false prophets, that isn't my fault. If you knowingly follow false prophets, don't be surprised if you are led in the wrong direction.

"I'll repeat myself, your original statement had no real contribution, it was simply name calling. Is Ron Paul part of a "cult" because he thinks along the same line about the UN and religion??????"

My original statement was a statement of fact. The SDA's and JW's both say the same thing on the subject. I don't know what religion Ron Paul is, and it doesn't really concern me. That doesn't change my stated fact though.

"Thank you for your applaud, and as far as "our theology" leading us to destruction... I'll let Jesus be the Judge of that. "

Jesus will judge us. I hope that he doesn't say that he 'never knew you'. I haven't got a problem with any cult member, muslim, catholic or athiest - I just don't want Satan to rob them of their only chance of salvation, The Jesus Christ of the Bible.

reply posted on 11-7-2009 @ 01:19 PM by holywar

reply to post by sinthia

Jesus will judge us. I hope that he doesn't say that he 'never knew you'. I haven't got a problem with any cult member, muslim, catholic or athiest - I just don't want Satan to rob them of their only chance of salvation, The Jesus Christ of the Bible.

thank you for your concern... I hope the same for you.

now about the topic, read Revelation chapters 16 through 18. Regardless of which religious group I choose to fellowship with, there is something important that we ALL can learn from this thread.

Will you let prejudice get in the way?

reply posted on 11-7-2009 @ 02:30 PM by sinthia

I am very familiar with Revelation, prophecy in the Bible proves that God alone knows the end from the beginning. There are 4 common ways to interpret Revelation and as far as I can tell this isn't a discussion on Revelation, but a thread for us to comment on the statement that 'JWs believe UN will ban religion.'
If I was to discuss Revelation, I would only use a recognised translation of the Bible. As your signature shows, you seem to use the 'NEW WORLD TRANSLATION'. With this in mind, I got MY copy out (I like to ensure that I can verify my claims) and turned to Rev 16 NWT. I got as far as verse 5, and decided not to continue. There are so many twists of scripture in the first 5 verses alone which make the exercise pointless.

For example v5 NWT "And I heard the angel over the waters say: "You, the One who is and who was, the loyal One, are righteous, because you have rendered these decisions,

as compared with

v5 KJV "And I heard the Angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, AND SHALT BE, because thou has judged thus.

To cut out the AND SHALT BE is critical, especially when considering prophetic passages. The punctuation is also questionable in the NWT, which is critical.
No doubt I will be accused of JW bashing again, but as this is a thread connected with JWs, I don't see a problem with mentioning such things.

As for the UN banning religion, I am more inclined to go with a one world enforced religion rather than a ban on religion. I suppose i'm not allowed to think that though as it goes against JWs beliefs!!!

reply posted on 11-7-2009 @ 08:16 PM by Blue_Jay33

reply to post by sinthia

As for the UN banning religion, I am more inclined to go with a one world enforced religion rather than a ban on religion. I suppose i'm not allowed to think that though as it goes against JWs beliefs!!!

Actually that is not entirely true, one avenue of thought is that is exactly what will happen. The UN will ban organized religion and then roll out a plan to control spirituality allowing individual beliefs.

it now seems probable the plans are in place by both the UN and it's supporting NGO's that support managing a "United Religions" interfaith spirituality for people, it would be the spiritual equivalent to the political nations version of the UN.
Think about it as an unwanted aggressive hostile takeover, not wanted by those being taken over. Sometimes when a big company buys another in a sneaky and aggressive manner it then basically destroys that company and it breaks it down, and sells it off, and it no longer exists.
So the Eighth King and scarlet beast would have
Political-United Nations
Spiritual-United Religions
This would equal a NWO of things with total control. Now some people want to stop this because they see this forming up and it is very bad to them. Word to the wise, you can't, nobody can stop bible prophesy. It is a "disgusting thing", "appalling sacrilege" and an "abomination" for people to have their religion and beliefs controlled by the UN, they would be, from the religious leaders perspective be standing in THEIR "Holy Place" or "Holy Ground"(it's in their Hymn), this is brought out in the bible.

As Matthew 24:15 brings out in multiple bibles.

GOD'S WORD Translation "The prophet Daniel said that the disgusting thing that will cause destruction will stand in the holy place. When you see this (let the reader take note),

(Amplified Bible)So when you see the appalling sacrilege [the abomination that astonishes and makes desolate], spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place--let the reader take notice and ponder and consider and heed [this]

(New Living Translation)15 “The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecration standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!)

This scripture has minor/major meaning, the first was in 66 CE when the Roman armies under General Cestius Gallus invaded Jerusalem and actually was within the walls, but some for some reason they withdrew, they came back in 70 CE under General Titus and finished the job. It's modern day major fulfillment takes place when the UN moves on religious organizations.

It will be a NWO as you say but very short lived, just as they feel they are on the cusp of victory with all these grand plans, God crushes them out existence.

Daniel 2 verse 44

44And in the days of these [final ten] kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people; but it shall break and crush and consume all these kingdoms and it shall stand forever.

Interestingly very few people have insight into this, Ron Paul is not a Jehovah's Witness he is of another faith, yet he clearly see's the coming storm, especially the economic side of this storm that will burst out in "The Great Tribulation" which starts by the event we are discussing.

Matthew 24 verses 21&22

21For then there will be great tribulation (affliction, distress, and oppression) such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now--no, and never will be [again]. 22And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would endure and survive, but for the sake of the elect (God's chosen ones) those days will be shortened.

How bad will it be, there would be no survivors if God doesn't intervene at that time. The human race would be exterminated from the face of this planet.

reply posted on 11-7-2009 @ 09:52 PM by holywar

Originally posted by sinthia

as far as I can tell this isn't a discussion on Revelation, but a thread for us to comment on the statement that 'JWs believe UN will ban religion.'

well, the thread title indeed makes this thread a discussion on the Book of Revelation because it's from this book that we draw this belief.

If I was to discuss Revelation, I would only use a recognised translation of the Bible. As your signature shows, you seem to use the 'NEW WORLD TRANSLATION'.

I thought I said "read Revelation chapter 16 through 18"

NOT "read Revelation chapter 16 through 18 of the New World Translation"

Your argument about the NWT's "twists of scripture" is based on the ASSUMPTION that the KJV is a perfect translation. Well let me tell you a little secret.... IT'S NOT. I can go into profound detail about this subject, but not on this thread. If you want to get into a Bible translation debate, start a another thread about it.

No doubt I will be accused of JW bashing again

I accuse you of making incorrect assumptions.

As for the UN banning religion, I am more inclined to go with a one world enforced religion rather than a ban on religion. I suppose i'm not allowed to think that though as it goes against JWs beliefs!!!

Maybe I can learn something from you, why don't you expand on your comment. For example... what scriptures do you use to draw to your conclusion?. Would you like to know why we believe the way we do?

Let's try to have a civil discussion, just because "Jehovah's Witnesses" is on the title of the thread, does not mean it should be a name calling, bashing, slandering, put down thread. Am I being too sensitive????

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reply posted on 12-7-2009 @ 11:34 AM by sinthia

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by sinthia

As for the UN banning religion, I am more inclined to go with a one world enforced religion rather than a ban on religion. I suppose i'm not allowed to think that though as it goes against JWs beliefs!!!

Actually that is not entirely true, one avenue of thought is that is exactly what will happen. The UN will ban organized religion and then roll out a plan to control spirituality allowing individual beliefs.

I know where you are coming from, but my comment was my opinion, which to me at the moment, is entirely true! Is the remainder of your post a quote from Ron Paul?

Originally posted by holywar
Originally posted by sinthia

as far as I can tell this isn't a discussion on Revelation, but a thread for us to comment on the statement that 'JWs believe UN will ban religion.'

well, the thread title indeed makes this thread a discussion on the Book of Revelation because it's from this book that we draw this belief.

If I was to discuss Revelation, I would only use a recognised translation of the Bible. As your signature shows, you seem to use the 'NEW WORLD TRANSLATION'.

I thought I said "read Revelation chapter 16 through 18"

NOT "read Revelation chapter 16 through 18 of the New World Translation"

Your argument about the NWT's "twists of scripture" is based on the ASSUMPTION that the KJV is a perfect translation. Well let me tell you a little secret.... IT'S NOT. I can go into profound detail about this subject, but not on this thread. If you want to get into a Bible translation debate, start a another thread about it.

No doubt I will be accused of JW bashing again

I accuse you of making incorrect assumptions.

As for the UN banning religion, I am more inclined to go with a one world enforced religion rather than a ban on religion. I suppose i'm not allowed to think that though as it goes against JWs beliefs!!!

Maybe I can learn something from you, why don't you expand on your comment. For example... what scriptures do you use to draw to your conclusion?. Would you like to know why we believe the way we do?

Let's try to have a civil discussion, just because "Jehovah's Witnesses" is on the title of the thread, does not mean it should be a name calling, bashing, slandering, put down thread. Am I being too sensitive????

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The KJV is probably the most recognised and accepted source of scripture there has ever been (catholics excluded). Don't forget, that the JWs used it until they 'translated' there own. As for a Bible translation debate, for me it comes down to the credualty of the Textus Receptus or the sinaitcus codex. I go with the TR over the SC. This isn't the place for such a debate I agree.

It is important though. If we start with different source information such as the NWT or KJV (or any other for that matter) it would be no surprise if we came to different conclusions.

I think you are being oversensitive yes. The thread concerns JWs, and so they are bound to come into conversation. I can see from your past posts and your profile etc that you are a zealous JW, and no doubt that would please the Kingdom Hall. I don't think i've been offensive to JWs, SDAs or Mormons and I apologise for any offense caused.

I think there will be an attempt to form a one world religion based on literal points in Revelation. It is hard to worship or bow down to nothing, for a non existant Christ rather than an antiChrist or false prophet to enter the scene, to recieve a mark representing the 'beast' if there is no beast, for false Christs to decieve many, for the leaders of the world to 'obey' an non existant religion, for signs and wonders to decieve the very elect etc......
If I were to really stick my neck out, I would either go for a metraiya type of new false messiah, or Mary.

To me, religion will carry on with a false messiah who will be acceptable to Jews, false Christians, Muslims and all denominations, rather than for 4+billion religious people in the world to just abandon their religion. It is easier to control religion with false watered down doctrines that preach a loving 'oneness', than to say No Religion at all.

reply posted on 2-9-2009 @ 10:55 PM by apollos84

Hello Everyone!

I myself am a dedicated,baptized Jehovah's Witness. I have been watching this thread for little over a year. I have seen many attack and defend this topic. My reason for posting is not to engage in disputes. However my posting is for fellow J.W's. who are reading this topic with interest. I have alot of information I have been compiling since January of 2006.

I have theoretical time-lines I have laid out. These might be of interest to fellow J.W's who watch this thread. They will know what it means.

Song of Solomon Chapter 2 verses 8-17. This describes the time of year Jesus comes for his bride when he is engaged to marry. Its in the Spring-Time. Verse 15 speaks of Foxes spoiling the vineyards. Jesus is telling his angels to grab the Foxes. The counterfeit Christian's. The Wheat and the Weeds. The Wheat Harvest starts in the Jewish month of Sivan on the Jewish Calendar.

Moving on through the seasons to summer. Daniel Chapter 2 verse 35. The Image is struck and becomes like the Chaff on the Summer threshing floor. This would mean the governments. They will be struck down in Summer time. Matthew Chapter 3 verse 12. His winnowing shovel is in his hand, and he will completely clean up his threshing floor, and he will gather his wheat into the storehouse, but the chaff he will burn up with fire that cannot be put out.

Sound's cool doesn't it ?

Could this be wrong? It might! However; it's to throw seeds and see what others have. I know theres others watching this thread. This is alot to ponder. Many will see but not understand.