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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by abeverage
Islam did not come from Abraham, it is an offshoot of the heretic Arius' teaching. Abraham didn't walk around the kaaba 7 times for remission of sins, neither did he place the Blackstone muslims worship. He in fact never even went to Mecca. He never went any further south than Memphis of ancient Egypt. Allah is the Destroyer. Christians and jews are the same people, the split occurred 2000 years ago and was prophecied of in Zechariah 11:14, this break between Israel and Judah came after the prohecy if Christ's betrayal by Judas for 30 pieces of silver spoken of in Zechariah 11:12-13. The northern kingdom of Israel had been assimilated by the gentiles during the subsequent exiles, and Jesus was sent to find them and bring them back into the fold, for which he spoke Matthew 15:24 and is why the majority of his sermons and ministry took place in the northern kingdom.
You are under a mighty deception if you think that Christ is not the same God as the OT. You think you know him but you do not. The feast days proclaim him, the prophecies proclaim him, Moses proclaimed him and Abraham did too. He blinded the jews so that he would be lifted up as foretold. Allah is not even the same god as christians and jews because Allah has no sons or companions (Sarat al-Isra 17:111, Surat Yunus 10:68). Our God has a Son and companion (Proverbs 30:4, Zechariah 13:7, Matt 3:16-17, John 3:16).
Do you want to know why God stopped appearing as Fire with a loud voice? Because he scared the Israelites and they asked him to stop because he was scaring them to death, so he took on a more pleasing form. Ask and you shall recieve. He gave them exactly what they asked for, he stopped appearing in a guise that scared them to death and gave them a prophet like Moses (Deuteronomy 18:15-22) to be his Voice in his name.
For which we say:
"Baruch Habah b'Shem Adonai Yeshua ha'Neseret"
"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, Jesus of Nazareth" (Matthew 23:37-39)
God in the Old Testament came to many in the form of a cloud, a burning bush, and spoke through the Angel of the Lord. The only person who's seen God in his true form is Jesus.
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by Deetermined
Leviticus 17:11-12
11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.
Someone already used that quote...
The blood is part of the physical... And the spirit is life... which is not part of the physical...
The true God is going to stand the test of time and the civilizations and people who worship him will not be erased from history, like some of the others.
Isaiah 60:10 “Foreigners shall build up your walls, and their kings shall minister to you: for in my wrath I struck you, but in my favor have I had mercy on you.
11 Your gates also shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring to you the wealth of the nations, and their kings led captive.
12 For that nation and kingdom that will not serve you shall perish; yes, those nations shall be utterly wasted.
Psalm 2
Yahweh said to me, “You are my son.
Today I have become your father.
8 Ask of me, and I will give the nations for your inheritance,
the uttermost parts of the earth for your possession.
9 You shall break them with a rod of iron.
You shall dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.”
10 Now therefore be wise, you kings.
Be instructed, you judges of the earth.
11 Serve Yahweh with fear,
and rejoice with trembling.
12 Give sincere homage to the Son, lest he be angry, and you perish in the way,
for his wrath will soon be kindled.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by pthena
Come on! Jesus quoted Yahweh. Jesus said his father was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
The reasons Christians hold on to the Old Testament is because Jesus said that we would not die until all of the scriptures in the Old Testament concerning him had been fulfilled.
Jesus quoted over 60+ scriptures from 24 different books of the Old Testament!
Sacrifice is the offering of food, objects or the lives of animals to a higher purpose. Not subject for mortal human modification/judgement. G tells you to do it, you do it.
Originally posted by celticsea
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
And now we come to who and what Jesus the Son of God is. The Son of God, is the manifestation of the Father's Glory in the corporeal. His Light made flesh. You cannot see the Father, you can only see the Son because the Son is the "image" of the Father, kind of like seeing your own shadow on a sunny day. This is how in John 1:18 the Son declares the Father. Where the Son is, so too is the Father and this is played out in the symbolism between the Presence of God and the Ark of the Covenant. The Ark being the Vessel, the Throne bearing the Presence of God.
Wow, thanks that is the best explanation I have heard.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Akragon
Akragon, what part did you miss in verse 29?
Jesus is saying that God was the God of the scriptures that they were fully aware of. The God of the scriptures is the God of the living! The God in the scriptures is the one with great powers who has the ability to resurrect the dead to make them the living!
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Akragon
Jesus is saying that God was the God of the scriptures that they were fully aware of. The God of the scriptures is the God of the living! The God in the scriptures is the one with great powers who has the ability to resurrect the dead to make them the living!
What part did you miss when Jesus said God is not the God of the dead?
Abraham, Issac, and Jacob were long dead when he said this... They're spirits are living im sure... but their bodies were dead... All of these people worshipped God in the flesh... Not God in spirit as Jesus told people to do...
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Akragon
Jesus is saying that God was the God of the scriptures that they were fully aware of. The God of the scriptures is the God of the living! The God in the scriptures is the one with great powers who has the ability to resurrect the dead to make them the living!
What part did you miss when Jesus said God is not the God of the dead?
Abraham, Issac, and Jacob were long dead when he said this... They're spirits are living im sure... but their bodies were dead... All of these people worshipped God in the flesh... Not God in spirit as Jesus told people to do...
Originally posted by troubleshooter
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Akragon
Jesus is saying that God was the God of the scriptures that they were fully aware of. The God of the scriptures is the God of the living! The God in the scriptures is the one with great powers who has the ability to resurrect the dead to make them the living!
What part did you miss when Jesus said God is not the God of the dead?
Abraham, Issac, and Jacob were long dead when he said this... They're spirits are living im sure... but their bodies were dead... All of these people worshipped God in the flesh... Not God in spirit as Jesus told people to do...
Unless in some sense Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are not dead at least to God.
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by troubleshooter
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Akragon
Jesus is saying that God was the God of the scriptures that they were fully aware of. The God of the scriptures is the God of the living! The God in the scriptures is the one with great powers who has the ability to resurrect the dead to make them the living!
What part did you miss when Jesus said God is not the God of the dead?
Abraham, Issac, and Jacob were long dead when he said this... They're spirits are living im sure... but their bodies were dead... All of these people worshipped God in the flesh... Not God in spirit as Jesus told people to do...
Unless in some sense Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are not dead at least to God.
No they're not dead.... They're spirits are alive...
This is the world of the dead my friend... and the God of this world is NOT on our side... Nor is He/she/it the true Father of Creation..