that is very interesting sanctum , it could be a possibilty

Maybe this is the 'Zion' of all those celebs that claimed that if Bush was re-elected, they would move out of the states.

Why don't they just emigrate to Australia. Isn't that where most Kiwis go eventually?

Yes, of course New Zealand expected this.

Any friendly country will look favourably at the status of good honest Americans as refugees from an oppressed state.

Immigration consultants looking after ATS members who have migrated to NZ, in particular, are having a boom period.

Originally posted by vibetic
Btw. I thought US was supposed to have low taxes by avoiding all the socialist healthcare and stuff. Where on earth do they spend their money ?

Military operational budgets, foreign incursions and handouts to corporate cronies - running into trillions of dollars and carryinf forward an enormous deficit. Don't worry, it's all good for the hands behind the FRB.

If theres one thing forsure, were I to "migrate"(which I am not) it would be the NZ. The women there are lucious! Also the folks are very mellow.

Now, you that wish to leave....stay away from there! Try France or europe.

Rock 2

(thought I should clarify myself there)........

USA ROCKS

The Australain interloper in the NZ thread above (typical australian, trying to ride on the coat tails of New Zelaand successes) got his house prices wrong for NZ.

Sure you can spend as much as you want, but don't forget that at present $US1 = $0.65NZ cents. (Although its quickly on the march to parity as the American Dollar drops through the floor. )

$US200,000 would get you a nice house anywhere in the country.

We are suffering a shortage of skilled workers as well with only about 5% unemployment rate. However the wages will be lower than the US, but you don't come here for the money.

As a society we are in need of about 1 million more people to generate growth. It is predicted that by 2050 there will only be 500,000 more people in new Zealand, and all of that in the North island, we are at 4.2 million at present. There is such a shortage of workers that one city advertised in England for skilled workers.

I have met quite a few people here from America, and none I can think of want to return home to live. To visit maybe, but thats all, as they seem to loathe the society that is breeding there.

Originally posted by Netchicken
The Australain interloper in the NZ thread above (typical australian, trying to ride on the coat tails of New Zelaand successes) got his house prices wrong for NZ.

Do I detect a bitter kiwi? That's like me saying a typical Kiwi is one who migrates to Australia and gets on the Dole. Would we both be right?

New Zealand or Australia would be a pretty good destination for an American family, especially the way things look like they are headed in the US. There are no language problems, and no real culture shock.

Tax rate is not easily comparable, because you need to take many other things into consideration. The standard of living here is probably not as high as in America right now but not far behind, I bet in three years time it will actually be higher than in America.

The US has huge problems with debt and the falling US dollar, and rising energy prices. After the coming stock-market crash, and rising unemployment worldwide, it will be worse everywhere. But I believe the US has further to fall. Remember oil is only really rising in US dollars, it has not moved up anywhere near as much in most foreign currencies.

We also are not planning conscription, and have nothing like the patriot act or homeland security to curtail civil liberties.

Personal safety is another issue, guns and shootings here are rare, but they do still occur. Nothing like the tens of thousands of deaths by gunshot that occur routinely in the US.

If you are bringing up a young family or thinking of retirement, or planning a career, think about it seriously. I honestly believe Americas best days are behind it. I am not trying to bash America, just stating what I see.

yea cargo if i believe correctly it is the kiwis that come to australia, bondi or i should say auckland...'choice bro' just f$$king with netchicken, i have to say that i love the all blacks...to bad lomu is not playing, has to be one of the best players...GO ALL BLACKS!!!!

but i still think ozy chicks are better looking, why do you think all you guys come here...we have more than just sheep

Please, lets not turn this into a pissing contest. My point was made. People on both sides hold stupid grudges. I'm kinda sick of it. For a long time NZ entertainers travelled to Australia to become better known, and we both benefitted from it. Just the same as Aussie entertainers go to the UK and become BS pop singers ...it's as simple as market sizes. It's not as necessary anymore and NZ is developing very well in terms of movies etc. I understand shaking off this stigma of dependence, but really...who cares anymore?

There's this little acronym called ANZAC. While some work hard to break those letters up, I do my best to keep them together. The End.

Oh, and that sheep joke is getting really f**king old.

Ill never move to australia because they'll eat me!

But seriously, with all the publicity NZ and OZ are getting from movies like LOTR or That one Steve Irwin movie. Or TV shows about nature. Its no wonder NZ is the next frontier. But NZ shipping is the slowest because they're oceans away from any manufacturer

I am sure aus and nz are nice,but why no talk among the left of moving to a true workers paradise,such as cuba,china,or even n.korea?I mean this is what the left truly wants for the usa,why go to countries that are only half way there.?It wouldnt be because the the populations of aus and nz are mostly white?Naw,that cant be it as everyone knows its us conservitates that are the racists.Must be something that my lower intelect wouldnt understand I guess.