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Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
reply to post by IntrinsicMotivation
I reciently did a thread, which recieve little notice, about the NATIVE AMERICANS, well Native Americans and our Government. I feel sad for them regularly, but I'm not willing to go back to the way things were and, really, no one else is either. Some people look down on them because they are tired of being, basically harassed, about something that happened hundreds of years ago. I feel bad for what happened to them, but I wont apologize for something that I didn't have anything to do with.
Look at the Treaty (in the link above) that was signed by the Native Americans. 80 stacks and some horses and BOOM now you got to leave. People who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Originally posted by WhiteAlice
reply to post by HelenConway
That isn't the 1700's or 1800's. That was our first English settlement. I cannot help but think that, at this point, you are willfully disregarding actual history in lieu of grade school fairy tale lessons. Disney's Pocahontas is more accurate. The irony is that my earliest American ancestor arrived in Jamestown in 1613 and was a participant in these things as his father was part of the Tobacco Cartel. I'm actually ashamed of that. Go figure.
Thanksgiving-------- Has nothing to do with Natives/ it is a celebration of harvest-------Check
Most of us associate the holiday with happy Pilgrims and Indians sitting down to a big feast. And that did happen – once.
The story began in 1614 when a band of English explorers sailed home to England with a ship full of Patuxet Indians bound for slavery. They left behind smallpox which virtually wiped out those who had escaped. By the time the Pilgrims arrived in Massachusetts Bay they found only one living Patuxet Indian, a man named Squanto who had survived slavery in England and knew their language. He taught them to grow corn and to fish, and negotiated a peace treaty between the Pilgrims and the Wampanoag Nation. At the end of their first year, the Pilgrims held a great feast honoring Squanto and the Wampanoags.
But as word spread in England about the paradise to be found in the new world, religious zealots called Puritans began arriving by the boat load. Finding no fences around the land, they considered it to be in the public domain. Joined by other British settlers, they seized land, capturing strong young Natives for slaves and killing the rest. But the Pequot Nation had not agreed to the peace treaty Squanto had negotiated and they fought back. The Pequot War was one of the bloodiest Indian wars ever fought.
In 1637 near present day Groton, Connecticut, over 700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe had gathered for their annual Green Corn Festival which is our Thanksgiving celebration. In the predawn hours the sleeping Indians were surrounded by English and Dutch mercenaries who ordered them to come outside. Those who came out were shot or clubbed to death while the terrified women and children who huddled inside the longhouse were burned alive. The next day the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared “A Day Of Thanksgiving” because 700 unarmed men, women and children had been murdered.
TUBA CITY, ARIZONA – Senators Jon Kyl, Arizona - R, and John McCain, Arizona - R, will be in Tuba City on Thursday, April 5, 2012, to persuade Navajo Nation and Hopi Tribal leaders to give up their peoples' aboriginal and Treaty-guaranteed priority Water Rights by accepting a "Settlement Agreement" written to benefit some of the West's most powerful mining and energy corporations.
Ed Becenti - NavajoEd Becenti - Navajo
They are doing so by trying to persuade the Navajo Nation and Hopi leaders to support and endorse Senate Bill 2109.
Senate Bill 2109 45; the "Navajo-Hopi Little Colorado River Water Rights Settlement Act of 2012" was introduced by Kyl and McCain on February 14, 2012, and is on a fast track to give Arizona corporations and water interests a "100 th birthday present" that will close the door forever on Navajo and Hopi food and water sovereignty, security and self-reliance.
S.2109 asks the Navajo and Hopi peoples to waive their priority Water Rights to the surface waters of the Little Colorado River "from time immemorial and thereafter, forever" in return for the shallow promise of uncertain federal appropriations to supply minimal amounts of drinking water to a handful of reservation communities.
Originally posted by IntrinsicMotivation
reply to post by TheMagus
Of the six reservations I have spent time on I can tell you that what I wrote is how the collective groups seen it too.
Thanksgiving is more about overeating and watching parades and football followed by black Friday. I say that because that is what I have observed for the last 20 years that I have been paying attention to.
I will give Charlie Brown due respect as that is the only thing I can recall showed on thanksgiving day that tells the story, but at the same time it is not the full story and was wrote and edited for a child audience.
Originally posted by Kashai
Having also done some traveling in this country I find that there is a perspective in respect to the indigenous and in relation to that I would also want to bring up Thanksgiving. Yes it is true that certain tribes assisted in relation to the development of this country, among the rumored were tribes from places like North and South Carolina.
edit on 30-5-2013 by Kashai because: modifed content
President Grover Cleveland signs the Dawes Severalty Act into law Feb 8, 1887.
The act split up reservations held communally by Native American tribes into smaller units and distributed these units to individuals within the tribe. Also called the General Allotment Act, the law changed the legal status of Native Americans from tribal members to individuals subject to federal laws and dissolved many tribal affiliations The Dawes Severalty/General Allotment Act constituted a huge blow to tribal sovereignty.
Originally posted by Kashai
reply to post by IntrinsicMotivation
Actually my culture was nearly wiped out but we still survive.
Puerto Rico has been found to contain Ballcourts and my training takes that into consideration.
To be clear of the Aztecs thought Cortez was Quetzalcoatl, one possible issue is related to the direction he came from.
To Thanksgiving it is the celebration of the harvest before winter and is no longer celebrated in every country.
Rocks that can move in a place without human or animal influence is the basis for Mayan Sound Technology.
Kashai is a Toltec name.
Like the Aztecs, the Hopi believed, at first, that the Spanish conquistadors were the return of their lost White Brother. Unlike the Aztecs, the Hopi decided to test the Spanish to determine if they were Pahana.
Frank Waters, who had spent many years living with the Hopi, recorded their oral traditions in what would become The Book of the Hopi. In 1540, conquistador Don Pedro de Tovar and his men on the Coronado expedition encountered the Hopi. According to Waters, “They were met by all the clan chiefs at Tawtoma, as prescribed by prophecy, where four lines of sacred meal were drawn. The Bear Clan leader stepped up to the barrier and extended his hand, palm up, to the leader of the white men. If he was indeed the true Pahana, the Hopis knew he would extend his own hand, palm down, and clasp the Bear Clan leader's hand to form the nakwach, the ancient symbol of brotherhood. Tovar instead curtly commanded one of his men to drop a gift into the Bear chief's hand, believing that the Indian wanted a present of some kind. Instantly all the Hopi chiefs knew that Pahana had forgotten the ancient agreement made between their peoples at the time of their separation” (252). The Hopi fed the Spanish, but having found no gold in the area, the Spanish went on with their quest.
Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by WhiteAlice
I was under th e impression that the local tribes helped the jamestown residents ? This prevented them starving to death.
I do not believe the early English settlers came to the ' new world ' for a fight.
The ' lost colony' was either integrated / relocated / assimilated or died in war or of starvation - it is debatable from what I have read.
I do not deny in any sense that as time went on ... particularly 1700s and 1800s and now - that the American Indians were treated very very badly and the ruling elite wanted them ' out of the way' in many senses.
Hence the wars / the forced relocations/ the small pox blankets/ etc.
This was way into the futire though.
So if you know so much about the early English colonists perhaps you can enlighten me about what happened to the early English colony in Virginia [ prior to Jamestown] ?