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Are Native Americans Considered Foreigners in America?

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posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by IntrinsicMotivation
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Thank you for pointing that out Chachonee.

So did you agree with the actions of “AIM” and there brief takeover of the BIA in the early 70’s?

I can tell you that when I first learned of this I was inspired. Had I been alive and able, I would have been there myself.

As for Casinos on tribal lands, it is a touchy subject. Gambling is the worst addiction to be victim to. Have you ever lost your whole paycheck in less than 10 minutes? It can leave you in a very dark place wondering how you will make it to your next payday. Why would they put such institutions on tribal lands? Native Americans are highly susceptible to addiction.

Take the Puyallup tribe in Washington State. They have the Emerald Queen Casino, tribal members get benefits of $2,000 a month yet they have nothing to show for it. Wasted on addiction….

It is very sad, and yes there were plenty of non-Indian employees that worked there…..




Excuse me but "Native Americans" are not highly susceptible to anything that any other culture, is highly susceptible to. "Hard Rock Cafe" has faculties all over the world and in essence are analogous to a Disney World for adults.

We are talking a billion dollar multinational corporation that as of today is acknowledged as a household name.

Also the food is really good.

It would be great if Serpico was still alive and then there is reality.

Any thoughts?
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posted on Jun, 3 2013 @ 11:18 AM
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Yeah, well, when I was living on the Navajo reservation, this was the kind of poverty that I saw everyday. It was so hard living out there because of the gross poverty that I saw every freaking day. My daughter's late great grandmother had no running water, electricity, natural gas, or phone service. Clinton was supposed to have done something to provide basic utilities out there but it never was funded properly. She just passed away and although the home that Habitat for Humanities built for her to replace her former home built of rock was all set up for future utilities, she passed away after waiting almost 20 years for them.
americanvision.org...



posted on Jun, 3 2013 @ 08:19 PM
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I think that all Natives in the Western Hempisphere should consolidate and form a new union.

Any thoughts?



posted on Jun, 3 2013 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Kashai
I think that all Natives in the Western Hempisphere should consolidate and form a new union.

Any thoughts?


I second this.

I guess it is time to start a movement

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posted on Jun, 3 2013 @ 09:50 PM
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In relation to the Legalese I really foresee no real problems in such a venture.

And there is also the possibility of grants for another "Red Cross"
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posted on Jun, 4 2013 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by Kashai
I think that all Natives in the Western Hempisphere should consolidate and form a new union.

Any thoughts?


I think something needs to be done to rectify some very serious long standing issues in a meaningful way such as the trust doctrine. The BIA is grossly inefficient, the lands are mismanaged, and, considering that each of the tribes has their own government, they should have been given more autonomy in terms of say over their lands. Really, from what I heard and could see on the Navajo reservation was the BIA perpetuating abuses. Our federal government still treats the tribes like children who cannot manage lands when the actuality is that the tribes took care of their lands a whole lot better than we did. To end my little BIA rant, this bilagaana says yes, something needs to be done to bring more clarity and exposure to the the above problems and more. I cannot even count how many times I've heard someone say that every native american gets checks from the federal government. No one that I have known personally on the Navajo reservation ever received such a check with the exception for my daughter's late great grandmother who was a downwinder. Misinformation like that needs to be crushed, really. My Navajo ex used to say that most people don't know that there are third world "countries" within the borders of the US and it's true.



posted on Jun, 4 2013 @ 07:10 PM
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My apologies if I implied that. You are correct not all Tribes get checks from the fed.

It does though make a lot of sense to consolidate all the Tribes and not in theory but in fact .

Some kind of Organization of Indigenous Nations this way you are open to world membership.

The situation with the Taino and the US is different. To put it bluntly if it were not for US intervention on the island the Taino would have been extinct. As it stands now if you go to an American school at about 5th grade, you will be told Caribbean Indians are extinct, even though today you can access their web-ring on the Internet.

The funny thing is there are also web sites that say we are extinct and while attending 7th grade. That claim was included in my history class, while attending a catholic school.


Any thoughts?



posted on Jun, 4 2013 @ 08:23 PM
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You didn't imply it at all. I was making a general statement about what I've actually had people say to me as someone who was associated with a native american and has a daughter who is half. The sheer level of ignorance in terms of the tribes around the world is pretty staggering. Your example of the Taino is also a very good one at that. I, too, would like to see all the indigenous peoples kind of group together around the world as well. The Ainu in Japan, the Sami in Scandinavia, and the Aborigine in Australia would be just a handful of indigenous populations that have had a serious history of struggle and discrimination as well. A lot of the issues get played out in the same way regardless of continent. "Victims of Progress" by John Bodley does a very good job at outlining a lot of the common themes for indigenous tribes and victimization around the world.



posted on Jun, 5 2013 @ 09:57 PM
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Talking about "coming together"


FIRST SESSION OF THE

TRAVELING SEMINAR “TATA JUAN CHÁVEZ ALONSO”
Here different native peoples, organizations, and communities will speak in their own voice about their histories, pains, hopes, and above all, their resistance.
This first session will have the following characteristics:

1. The first session of the Seminar “Tata Juan Chávez Alonso” will be held Saturday and Sunday August 17-18, 2013, at CIDECI in San Cristóbal de Las Casas, Chiapas, México.

2. The organizations that have convoked this seminar now constitute the “Organizing Commission,” which will invite the participation of other indigenous peoples and agree upon all things related to the method of this first session.

3. The “Organizing Commission” will extend a special invitation to organizations, groups, and individuals who have consistently accompanied the struggle of the indigenous peoples.

4. Those who have convoked the forum and those indigenous peoples and organizations of Mexico and the American continent invited by the “Organizing Commission” will participate in this first session with their word.

5. The various sessions of this seminar will be open to the general public.

More: www.bsnorrell.blogspot.com...



posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 02:45 PM
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What Native Americans? There are some Native Siberians in America, and plenty of inheritors, Cousins the the Native Americans(a group that was pushed to near extinction by environmental factors, then totally wiped out by the Native Siberians,), but no "Native American's" exist anymore.
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posted on Jun, 7 2013 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Kashai
I think that all Natives in the Western Hempisphere should consolidate and form a new union.

Any thoughts?


The return to Siberia movement? It is disgusting how a group of people killed and nearly wiped out(DNA evidence suggest some managed to escape to Europe) a group of another people, then put their skins on claiming to be them. Really gives meaning to "put the lotion on the skin or it get's the hose".



posted on Jun, 12 2013 @ 06:28 PM
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I want to say thank you to all the members who have participated in this thread. I believe that I have accomplished what I set out to do when I wrote the op.

Granted I wish I could spread the message of my OP further than the boards of ATS, I met and conversed U2U with many members throughout this thread on many other subjects that I will be looking into.

To members on some of that other ish, please create a thread and send me an invite to it and we can gladly discuss people that inhabited/ settled/ migrated etc… that had nothing to do with the OP.



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