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First, the U.K. and others are in Afghanistan in order to defend Muslims. Brits and other Westerners are risking their lives, and dying, in that country on behalf of Muslims.
Here's a question for Muslims and leftists who buy this argument about the West killing Muslims in Afghanistan: Who are we fighting in Afghanistan?
I thought the Brits and Americans were fighting the Taliban, the people who throw acid in Muslim girls' faces for attending school, the people who murder nurses who inoculate Muslim children against disease. Now, if fighting the Taliban is to be equated with fighting Muslims, this is a real contradiction of everything much of the Islamic world and virtually all of the left have been contending for years -- that the Taliban represent a tiny group of extremists in the Muslim world, and that they have so completely perverted Islam that they cannot even be called Muslims.
Well, you can't have it both ways. If killing the Taliban is the same as "killing Muslims," then you can't argue that the Taliban don't represent Islam or Muslims.
So, on the issue of the West fighting in Afghanistan, the Muslims and the left need to make up their minds: Is killing the Taliban a service or a disservice to Muslims? This is the first and last question both groups need to answer. Everything else is commentary.
There is something of great significance to be learned from this. In the Muslim world today, it is hatred of the West, not love of -- or even concern for -- fellow Muslims, that animates Muslim atrocities and terror against the West.
Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by charles1952
I sadly must agree with your conclusion that it is indeed hatred of the West that is at play. Maybe if no one from the UK or US had ever set foot on Middle Eastern soil would have made a difference- but I seriously doubt it. More than anything I believe it all goes back to the re-creation of the Israeli homeland and our support of it, and even if we pulled all support and alliance out from under Israel this very day it would not make a bit of difference because the hatred is ingrained in them now and I'm afraid will be forever.
As someone who has fought and killed Muslims for the past 12+ years. I honestly have no idea why we have been conducting these wars.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by charles1952
If the West would stop, then violent Jihad would stop.
What a lark, he must have never read Quran or Sharia Law.
Originally posted by NeoMuslim
reply to post by LordDerpingtonSmythe
Ah Well that is a little far-fetched. As you see, it is much like a school playground. If you bully up on someone for a period of time, beat him a few times a day for several weeks (This of course pales in comparison to the amount of children killed by United States/Israeli bombing in the region) and then leave the kid a lone. Well.. do you think the kid would be happy you left? sure! But the mental scare is too deep now, his hatred for you is only going to get worse. Is it the kids' fault if he finally has some power (like a gun) and begins to shoot up the school starting with the bullies? He will kill the bullies for beating him so badly, and then the students in the school for just standing there and watching when he was getting beat. This is common in the American way of shooting up schools left and right (granted doesnt only happen in America) but as you can see you can find the answers right here at home. America is not immune to the same mental instability if the situation was lets say in Bulter, NJ or Galveston, TX..This Mental Damage is very difficult to over come, even with the power of the Quran. God will not place blame on these people because they no longer have the power to think clearly. Just as those of us mentally disabled and not capable of making rational decisions (Mentally Challenged). These people have suffered here on earth for their time in Heaven. And God willing, they will be granted access, even if they do wrong.
As far as Israel and its' right to "exist". Israel is a Jewish state formed after the invasion of Palestine. Was this invasion of good intention? No of course not, other wise they wouldn't just kill off Palestinians or force them into camps. What you do not realize is that there was a relatively large population of Jews living in Palestine, there was even a Jewish Political Party in Palestine! However they are greedy, greedy for land, money and power. Soon you will find them to be the strongest enemy of the entire world to date. They will bring destruction where ever they go. If you don't believe me, then look at the federal reserve. What a nice private entity it is, controlled by a Jewish Family (Along with every bank in the world).
This sentence stopped me. I'm not sure that's what the facts indicate. If the US and Israel seriously wanted to kill as many Muslims as they possibly could, I'm not sure there would be any left by now. And if they want to be left alone, why the military expansion into Africa?
The Muslims in the middle east just want to be left alone, however the west (along with Israel) is invading and killing as many Muslims as they can.