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Former Members of Congress Ask President Obama About Classified USAF Medical Records [Bentwaters]

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posted on May, 30 2013 @ 09:29 AM
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This seals it for sure. It's absolutely disgusting that these guys can't even get their own medical records. First it's you have no records, then they say you wasn't in the military at all, then the VA goes ahead and agrees to interview one of them. In denial are we? Classic signs of deception. There is no reason for medical documents to be classified. Classified means the truth hurts so bad that they gotta bury it away in hopes these two guys die off along with their story. To accept the truth of what happen to these men medically means they gotta accept what did happen that night. Good place to hide it with the agent orange filing cabinet where everyone has died or is dying. Imagine all the deceit and lies and secrets sitting in all those dusty government filing cabinets. Why keep them at all? Might as well burn them all.




posted on May, 30 2013 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by azureskys
What reason could the Military and Government have for keeping these records
hidden if there is nothing to hide ?
The documentaries about this case commonly claim that nuclear weapons are believed to have been stored at that facility, and that this is something that they would want to hide because there were not supposed to be any nuclear weapons there.

Now whether this is true or has any link to medical records of Burroughs or Penniston I have no idea. I'm just answering your question about something to hide that deals with possible radiation, though I think the Geiger counter was likely mis-read in the instance where elevated radiation was reported in relation to the Burroughs-Penniston incident.


A few months ago, it finally came out that a military base in Belgium was harboring US nukes. After this report, I never read or heard anything about it again, which suggests that this sort of news leaking is not so damaging to the US. Incidentally, we had a huge ufo-sighting near there in 1989. Anyone who has been paying attention will realize that nukes attract ufo's, whatever they may be.

Now, what is more damaging to the US government? Hiding nukes in Bentwaters or dissapearing the medical records of two retired Air Force veterans? That's what I want to know.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 12:04 PM
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That these men can't get their medical records inclusive of that time frame that the encounter happened, is a smoking gun by itself.



Smoking gun for what exactly,


What did you have in mind?



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 12:25 PM
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This is interesting reading the situation at hand concerning the medical reports. Could the whole incident be a cover up for an attempted theft of nuclear weapons out of the base.

Cover up includes using a few soldiers as subjects for a MK ultra type of program to put in their heads they came across something extra terrestrial in the woods close to base. while doping them up with certain substances to make them very submissive have them come in contact with elements that would give the symptoms of radiation burns or poisoning.
Now these medical records would be under a classified national security type of secrecy due to the cover up of an attempted theft of nuclear weapons that were not suppose to be there.

Use the story told by the witnesses as a further cover by throwing anyone investigating onto the extra terrestrial trail and away from anything more sinister and down to earth.

Over the years I think this idea has been proposed in one way or another as I seem to remember reading a similar theory to explain what happened that night.

I like the idea that these men came across something alien, but that's wishful thinking and with all the corruption, war and disinformation concerning numerous world events at any time I wouldn't put it past a faction of government to cover up mistakes that could have changed the face of the planet by using a already growing belief about the unknown/aliens as a perfect cover for any real facts of what went on for a few weeks surrounding the incident.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 12:46 PM
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My gut feeling tells me that it's all covert ops monkeying around. ET craft, if such things exist, probably wouldn't radiate people. There are hundreds of close contact reports worldwide and none of them mention being radiated.


Covert ops not of any type of classified aircraft ever reported acting in a "monkeying way" that also has never been observed or reported.

They may radiate people, they may not. Actually case histories (which you clearly are not aware of) report radiation poisoning again and again. For the Colares incident it was claimed they'd identified the Cobalt isotope of several of the victims' skin lesions.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 01:32 PM
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Monkeying around = manipulation and deception. Let's not play word games here.

The issue is that it has been well established and it is of my personal opinion that many of the "UFO" sightings, including so-called "abductions" and "cattle mutilations", are actually man-made deceptions utilizing advanced anti-gravity crafts and electromagnetic weaponry. All of the cases involving radiation are also connected to military bases or strange abductions that seem contrived - because they are contrived. The genuine UFO phenomenon, in my opinion, is totally benign and not harmful in any way, shape or form, because "their" technology is more advanced. All of the documents concerning early 1940s-50s flying saucer craft reveal that they used nuclear power and very high-voltage propulsion systems which even poisoned or killed some of the early inventors like Otis T. Carr. If this Bentwaters UFO was a genuine craft "not from around here", it is possible that it was hovering over the nuclear weapons secret storage area and neutralizing them, in which case these two Sergeants may have been exposed to the radiation emanating from the nukes themselves, and not the craft. This is all speculation, but I see no definitive proof that so-called UFO/ET contact is radioactive...



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 01:37 PM
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See this hits really close to home for me, right into my DNA, since my father Gordon Chester ANderson, Captain, USAF, desc., would have called in one of the first "UFO" reports just after WW2, HUGE Orange Cigar craft, (just where I saw it and got video), yet he was fresh from the Skunk Works in Burbank CA, so still under Sec. Oath..
If you ever want to really * in' out a USAF Intel. agent, say "No one stands up Bing Crosby for a golf date and lives to tell about it" G.C.A. - about Major Rich Bong, I KIDD YOU NOT - I AM, it seems a USAF/Nordic Alien Hybrid, for Gods sake. over. Oh - "They" tried all those things - I will live as long as I choose to live. 'The Voice Crying In The Wilderness.'



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by azureskys
What reason could the Military and Government have for keeping these records
hidden if there is nothing to hide ?


Classified above top secret.

Takes 50 years to get Top Secret declassified. 1980 + 50 = 2030.

Above Top Secret may never be declassified.

Classified means the Government knows what it is. Probably built the device that caused the medical issues. And don't want to admit, because they'd have to reveal other parts of the Deep Black Ops program.

If pressed, the Gov could just as easily produce "fake medical records" to satisfy the curious. Didn't some people say that Obama did that with is Birth Certificate? If the President can produce a fake Birth Certificate, do you really think they'll release "real medical records" ?

Maybe Obama is an Alien from the planet Zarkon, and he arrived in that UFO in 1980 to start his program preparing for his reign on Earth. So releasing the medical records, would open the door to the existence of Aliens, and people might just find out that Aliens are running things and not humans.


Can't let that happen.


Remember, Obama "joked" that he was from the planet "Krypton". Why would he do that? Did we get the joke?

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posted on May, 30 2013 @ 04:30 PM
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Always great to see a REAL news story, REAL journalism that cannot be found on TV and other lamestream media. This is more proof that the Internet is by far the best news source and NOT just full of wackadoodles. Yes, one needs a good enough BS filter when going through stories on the web. This piece is definitely no BS; something is SERIOUSLY f-ed up, entirely sickening and pathetic here.

Here's hoping as always that we will be able to discard, and the sooner the better, the entire secrecy-BASED concept of government and the Borg or machine-like existing political world in general.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 04:38 PM
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The Rendlesham/Bentwaters case surfaces yet again. It's nearly 30 years now since I remember seeing that headline "UFO lands in Suffolk and that's official" whilst delivering the newspapers one crisp October morning in 1983.

Then it surfaced again when Unsolved Mysteries was shown on TV over here in the very early 1990s and ITV's "Strange But True" did an episode on the case. Back then I was convinced something truly strange had really happened.

I've always thought that any real ET encounters are probably very, very rare but maybe one of them would be so compelling and have so much weight of evidence that the truth would eventually be revealed. Rendlesham for a long time was the story I held much hope for. Now more than 30 years later I have no idea what to make of the events in the forest as 1980 drew to a close.

Larry Warren also claimed he suffered damage to his eyes during his encounter with "something" at Rendlesham. I can't remember if he pursued anything after being discharged or not.
There is even supposedly these (rather poor) photos of the craft he encountered.


Original Photo


Close up of photo above from www.therendleshamforestincident.com...

I have heard John Burroughs and Jim Penniston mention their ill health previously and problems getting access to their files from the military. If they were exposed to something then I hope they receive assistance with their ailments.

As someone mentioned the Cash-Landrum case, I thought I'd also point out that Rendlesham happened between 72 to 24 hours before that incident. Is there a link there with some nuclear powered craft being tested in the UK and then the USA?

In the end though this part of the story is simply a side show, a tiny jigsaw piece that will probably not make the picture any clearer.

I really doubt that I will ever know in my lifetime what really happened at Rendlesham. A radioactive lighthouse is a possibility I suppose.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 04:39 PM
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I'm not someone who likes military people very much... But, after watching their testimony I feel that, as any other human, they deserve the truth, specially regarding their own medical records.
It won't be easy, but here's one hoping this moves forward.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 04:48 PM
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Sacha Christie has an interesting theory that Rendlesham was part of a massive experiment testing futuristic technology, microwaves and an attempt to steal a nuclear weapon.

sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk...

Not sure what to make of it all as yet.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 10:59 PM
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Justice for the Bentwaters 81st Security Police at Rendlesham Forest 1980 - Facebook page - May 30 2013 comment post


The day of reckoning is coming. The former Congressional representatives at the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure wrote letters to the President of the United States and to the Secretary of Veterans Affairs on our behalf. Our attorney is preparing a federal lawsuit. Our book will come out with a mainstream publisher and make Rendlesham Forest bigger than Roswell in the eyes of the media and the public. But there is a price to pay. Not the price that we, the witnesses, have already paid, but the price that has yet to be paid by those who have conspired to keep this secret, or, through their silence, have given tacit help to those who sought to cover up the truth. The chain of command left us, the witnesses, high and dry. People make statements about how we were "messed with", but then they fail to follow through with specific information. They make vague promises of help, but never deliver. The aforementioned developments will change all this. The lawsuit, in particular, will force key people in the chain of command to the table. Vague personal promises or cryptic comments on TV shows will no longer suffice. We are entering a time where sworn statements, subpoenas and judges will be more important. And the chain of command will realize that the loyalty demanded by senior officers is a two-way street, i.e. that these officers owe a duty of care to the men and women under their command. Some realize this and are on our side. For others, the time to chose is fast approaching. They would be well-advised to choose well, given the storm that is approaching.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 11:09 PM
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The big cover up continues.Wonder what abnormalities were found in their blood.If normal they would have released the results.How much more obvious can they be in still hiding evidence?



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 06:42 AM
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I need to read more about the Cash-Landrum case. I find that very suggestive and interesting that the date on that incident was so close to Rendlesham - especially considering that radiation sickness was also associated with it. It is often hyped up as being a very good UFO case, but often by people like Colonel John Alexander. I sincerely believe that high-tech games have been being played in the background for several decades. For example, if a covert group had an advanced technology that they could use to simulate phony alien threats, even if classified, it could still pull strings behind the scenes and generate large amounts of funding to try to combat the simulated threat. I am not saying that was what happened at Bentwaters, but even high-caliber UFO researchers such as Jacques Vallee have gone on the record to suggest that Bentwaters was a covert op.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 06:43 AM
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Excerpt from Jacques Vallee - Revelations: Alien Contact and Human Deception

Chapter 6: Special Effects



DELUSION OR DECEPTION?

The English investigators have presented convincing evidence that the
various explanations offered to the public for the Bentwaters case—
allegedly caused by the beam of a distant lighthouse and some bright
stars—were utter rubbish. It is tempting to conclude that the military
were indeed confronted with an alien craft and its occupants. This may
well be the solution. But there are intriguing alternatives.

To me the most plausible theory is that the U.S. military has developed
a device or a collection of devices that look like flying saucers, that
they are primarily intended for psychological warfare, and that they are
being actively tested on military personnel. Thus, the persons who
control the experiment can always contain the repercussions if the story
leaks out. In such cases OSI may be used both to calibrate the observers—
hence the visit to the radar men and the collecting of all photographs—
and to cover up the exercise itself.

If the reports leak out, the cover story may be, very simply, that the
object was in fact a UFO. This is the ultimate explanation, the end of
the road: "What do you want us to do? This was an object we could
not identify. You know as much about it as we do . . . ." In other words,
OSI could be actually covering up the fact that such sightings are not
cases of actual UFOs! No wonder amateur ufologists are confused, as
they are confused by the observation of strange disk-shaped lights over
Area 51.

The mechanism of the cover-up seems to be consistent—moving
extremely rapidly, the intelligence agencies sweep all the evidence and,
if necessary, secure the key witnesses. If word of the event leaks out,
the normal military chain of command operates to keep any controver-
sial document out of public hands. If that fails, then the intelligence
agencies go into a confusion mode characterized by three simultaneous
interventions:

1. They trot out their team of debunkers (astronomers, skeptics or
"rationalists") who seize upon any available explanation; the more absurd
the better.

2. They "oversell" the UFO explanation, always emphasizing the
extraterrestrial interpretation. For example, if an object has been seen
on the ground, they will make sure the media give prominence to the
wild-eyed witness or the local contactee cult member who will claim
that he has received a message for mankind, so that the entire affair is
quickly blown out of proportion.

3. They start leaking some correct information to the investigators
but mix it with confusing elements regarding the date, the time, and
the identity of the witnesses.

All these elements are demonstrably present in the Bentwaters case,
and they can be found in other military cases as well.
Is there evidence that Bentwaters was in fact an instance of deception
rather than delusion? I believe the testimony of Larry Warren is
very interesting in that regard.

On a syndicated television program called Dimensions in Parapsychology,
Warren recalled his experience in detail. It had been eight
years since he had served at Bentwaters. He was now engaged in media
work, he said. A lean young fellow with long hair falling over his shirt
collar, he seemed very relaxed, his hands hooked in his belt as he spoke.

He was in the security police at Bentwaters, he said. On the evening
in question he was dispatched to the motor pool to get lighting equipment.
He did not know why. He obtained some "light-alls," loaded
them and drove to a designated point near the forest where the vehicles
were parked. There he was ordered to leave his weapons and he walked
half a mile into the forest with other personnel. They halted behind a
small stone wall. From that position he could see a lot of ground fog
or mist which was illuminated.

There was no UFO in view anywhere, yet an elaborate scene was
being staged. Guards, officers, and other personnel had been assembled,
unarmed in an area where some sort of fog—as in the Pontoise case—
had mysteriously developed. It is difficult not to imagine that they had
been brought there deliberately, not to guard anything, but to witness
a very special phenomenon, and that it was their reactions to the
forthcoming event that were being covertly tested.

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posted on May, 31 2013 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by azureskys
What reason could the Military and Government have for keeping these records
hidden if there is nothing to hide ?
Why are they being refused medical help by the VA ? They are Veterans.
It is very disturbing to find that anyone at all might not have acess to their own Medical Records

What about other troops that were in the area at the same time?
Were these two men the only ones to get up close to the UFO?



Well, there are a few reasons I could think of, but the most interesting and speculative of these I will share with you. I have heard that, if an atomic bomb were ever used, we could tell the origin of where the plutonium was mined by reading the "radiation signature" or something... Could the same be done with remnants of radiation from UFO incidences left behind in the ground, trees, or in this case, nside their bodies?? This could expose the craft as either earthly in origins or at least perhaps its power source?



posted on Jun, 1 2013 @ 04:42 AM
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I wonder where all the bullying naysayers against the Citizen Hearing and the Disclosure movement are for this one? They have been strangely quiet for this thread.



Oh well, it's far better that way. They found out that the Citizen Hearing was not a money-making scam and now they are leaving it alone...



posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 01:44 AM
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posted on Jun, 2 2013 @ 02:32 AM
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That's a very strange craft. You should try starting a thread of your own about it and embed the video. People here might have seen the same thing, or know what it is perhaps.



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