A Problem Going To Church.....

Originally posted by MrNice
Goodness, what kind of Christen churches do you folks go to??? Killing babies? Now admittedly I go to a Roman Catholic Church, we don�t ask for anything more that that whatever leaders we have please make fair and good decisions. Nothing specific, just a desire to have moral leaders.

If you don�t want to go to your church because you�re a SORE LOSER then perhaps you need to rethink your whole take on religion. Perhaps your core values are so skewed from those around you that you don�t feel comfortable. Well, if that is the case then just don�t go. Find somewhere you feel more comfortable.

Problem is, if you are a Christen, you�re going to have a hard time finding a congregation that supports Kerry or the DNC. Perhaps is you support abortion, gay marriage, etc.. then you are not really a Christen since killing children is not something that Jesus supported (I�m not sure on the gay thing but I think Sodomy is frowned upon in the Bible).

Your church supports invasions, murder and mayhem? Did Jesus support the killing of human beings?
I think the churches would be REAL wise to keep this entirely out of Sunday mass.

It is interesting that a speech that NAACP president Julien Bond made that was critical of Bush prompted an IRS review of its' tax-exempt status, however, all of the pro-Bush political commentary in churches is written off as an article of free-speech and their tax status is not even questioned.

The law is a bit blurry, but it states that these organizations can educate there constituents on particular candidates, but they have to draw the line on endorsing or opposing a candidate. Campaigning is strictly prohibited. What I have seen and heard in churches clearly crosses the line, but the IRS seems to be turning a blind eye. It is oddly concerning that they would investigate only the NAACP--the speech did walk the blurry line between political electioneering, but not the pro-Bush religious organizations. There were many widely-reported blatant offenses in churches all over the country--priests explicitly telling their congregants to vote for Bush, and these offenses are being ignored.

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Originally posted by edsinger
Personally that is when thety NEED to go to church. IF one supports abortion and things Ungodly, then that is when they need church the most!

I think that what they need is GOD. The path to GOD does not necissarily go through church.

Originally posted by MrNice
Problem is, if you are a Christen, you�re going to have a hard time finding a congregation that supports Kerry or the DNC. Perhaps is you support abortion, gay marriage, etc.. then you are not really a Christen since killing children is not something that Jesus supported (I�m not sure on the gay thing but I think Sodomy is frowned upon in the Bible).

Get a clue. What is it, devil worshiping democrats now? Being liberal is an inherent immorality? You can take that garbage right on back to your magical Hypocrisy Land, cause I don't see that conservatism has moral-damn-one over anybody else. Rush Limbaugh?? The man pops pain killers and hollers about drug addicts needing to be executed, Bush drank himself into oblivion while snorting coc aine up his nostrils, and that is morality to you? You need some more examples of how full of crap that is? You really want to talk about baby killing, hows about I post some pictures of fetuses exposed to depleted uranium, then tell me about your moral righteousness.

I'm not sure what denomitations you all go to but the Episcopal church and the Catholic church that my family attends have never once brought up politics. I think I would find a new church if the sermons began to revolve around politics!!!

I have a cousin who lives in the bible belt and attends a non-denominational church that is WAYYYYY out there fanatical. Her church is very political and some of the stories I hear from her are frightening. She isn't a registered voter so obviously the church didn't inspire her to get out there in vote.

I had assumed the political talk in churches was limited to the speaking in tongues, snake handling, holy rollers. I'm shocked and disappointed to see that it isn't.

Jemison

Your church supports invasions, murder and mayhem? Did Jesus support the killing of human beings?
I think the churches would be REAL wise to keep this entirely out of Sunday mass.

Wow...how did you come to that conclusion? You think Kerry wouldn't continue the war? You think no one would die under his watch? I love how you attack the church through your myopic viewpoint on what you THINK Kerry would be able to accomplish.

Last time I looked I NEVER stated that the church supports invasions, murder and mayhem. We also don't support slavery and inhumanity and immorality.

Thanks for revealing exactly how anti-church you are with this response. My advice is to find something positive to apply your energies to because nothing / no one is perfect and you will ALWAYS be able to poke holes in GB's behavior.

But in the end, most of us thought Bush was a much better MORAL choice that Kerry. You didn't agree. Too bad...

Originally posted by Mizar
if they are that devout to their political standpoints and so disgusted with hatred for republicans that they dont want to go to church they obviouslly have verry little moral longing to be in teh presence of God and dont follow the religion well enough to even say they are an established person in the church

if you meant if i felt like i shoulnd go to church because i dont like republicans im sorry i messed up your thread already ill remove this post if it is nessaciry

NOW what is religion having to do with politics now!!! Thats is like the stoopidest thing I have heard in a long time

REligion is personnal, it has nothing to do with countries or politics HELLLLO??? If you religious system is like that in the STATES, well, unlucky you!

I'M so glad in Montreal, chruches are empty and we make our own spirituality! Don't u see it's ANOTHER WAY OF MASS CONTROL! Damn some butt must be kicked!
Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Amelia,

I personally am glad religion plays a role in who I pick to lead my country. Without it we WOULD have gay marriages, more abortions to fuel the stem cell research cult, and I am personally glad you are happy living in your socio-centric, anti-moral, liberal little country.

Whats best for Quebec isn't necesarilly best for a country the size of the US. I know you can't comprehend this but I look at the size of your country and compare it to ours. See a little difference there?

Can you figure out why I'm making this comment?

Originally posted by LostSailor
Amelia,

I personally am glad religion plays a role in who I pick to lead my country. Without it we WOULD have gay marriages, more abortions to fuel the stem cell research cult, and I am personally glad you are happy living in your socio-centric, anti-moral, liberal little country.

Whats best for Quebec isn't necesarilly best for a country the size of the US. I know you can't comprehend this but I look at the size of your country and compare it to ours. See a little difference there?

Can you figure out why I'm making this comment?

How pathetically simple minded. Anti-moral country? You see, Amelia, the hatred these so called christians spew?
This is the very reason the WORLD hates the USA.

Originally posted by LostSailor
I personally am glad religion plays a role in who I pick to lead my country.

Who's religon, yours? What if it were president Ali Baba, or President Moonie, or President L. Ron Hubbard? What would you think then? Religon and morality are two different things entirely, and they have no business making policies that govern a multicultural nation. Take your morals to church, and leave them at home, don't legislate my morals, I might like abortion and pornography for example. There is a reason we have a seperation of church and state, one of those reasons is to keep high and mighty puritanistic garbage out of people's lives.

Originally posted by dgtempe
Is anyone here nausiated at the prospect of sitting with Republicans at church, and hearing sermons that undoubtedly refer to how great our country is going. I would appreciate your input.

I'm sure this is happening, especially in my home state of Utah, predominantly Mormon, and just as Republican a state as AZ.

If someone was opposed to the viewpoints expressed in church by a Bush supporter, especially on the issue of the Iraq war, I think they should seek equal time to make the points that are obviously in contravention to their views. Points which are valid and incontrovertible, when referenced against the laws of God, and the laws of man, which according to God's law, man is obliged to obey as well.

And when the points are made before the congregation, ask the paritioners to pray, and accept no rebuttal until this is done. Then we'll see how they feel about the situation.

who is being hateful? Don't hate me because I have morals, and yes my morals (religion!!!) play a role im my desicion making.

Abortion IS murder.

Marriage is a sacred union between MAN an WOMAN.

These are my "close-minded" beliefs (morals) and are heald by the majority in this great country.

[edit on 6-11-2004 by LostSailor]

Originally posted by MrNice
Wow...how did you come to that conclusion? You think Kerry wouldn't continue the war? You think no one would die under his watch? I love how you attack the church through your myopic viewpoint on what you THINK Kerry would be able to accomplish.

and i love how you project kerry's behaviour into the future, and then base an argument on your previous supposition, like the previous suppostion is now a fact. now THAT'S churchlike, HAHA!

Originally posted by MrNiceLast time I looked I NEVER stated that the church supports invasions, murder and mayhem. We also don't support slavery and inhumanity and immorality.

you support bush who supports privatised prisons and forced labour camps(that is slavery), and atrocities at abu gharib and gitmo, cluster bombs that look nearly identical to yellow food packets to little kids in afghanistan, and INVASIONS based on lies. if you support bush, you voted for these things. he has single handed murdered and maimed FAR more babies than any abortion clinic has aborted fetuses.

Originally posted by MrNiceThanks for revealing exactly how anti-church you are with this response. My advice is to find something positive to apply your energies to because nothing / no one is perfect and you will ALWAYS be able to poke holes in GB's behavior.

and bush will continue to poke holes through, and fun at, the constituion. IF only he was a dictator, this would be so much easier for him, .....oh, .....wait.......

Originally posted by MrNiceBut in the end, most of us thought Bush was a much better MORAL choice that Kerry. You didn't agree. Too bad...

i think most of you didn't do your homework, and are thinking with some kind of superiority complex. only 20% voted on the issue of morals, and of that 20% only a portion thought bush morally superior. i wish people would stop touting it as the deciding factor. what a media wash job.

Originally posted by LostSailor
Maybe if they went to church they wouldn't "hate" so much

Maybe if they learned to 'hate' thorugh their own perceptions instead of the high 'morals' they learn in church, they wouldn't need to hate anyone.

Tell them not to worry about the speck in their eye when their freinds all have logs in their`s !! But this is a hard question and a rough spot to be in also. Keep the faith and keep on keeping on folks . And remember God is going to rock the world soon enough , and he has a really really big amp ! Truely

God doesn't choose sides in political elections. I think He has better things to do.

If your preacher is using his pulpit to promote political ideas and a political option, I believe you're quite entitled to choose another church. Going to church (personally, I don't - I'm an agnostic) is supposed to be a good experience, not one where you feel pressured to repent for supporting the ungodly liberals. That's contrary to democracy.

I also have to wonder how, if people who voted for John Kerry cease going to church because their preacher and congregation are too political, it might single them out for community scorn.

Otts, i dont know how it will play out, or if the Bush worshiping will cease, but its going to make for very uncomfortable people at church.
I agree, i say stop going, or get another church that doesnt indulge in this crap.

Originally posted by twitchy
My daughter came home from church sunday before last and said that some grown ups were talking about Kerry killing and eating Babies.

Sorry, I don't believe that for a minute. Some grown ups were saying this? This indicates that your daughter is very young, and being young, easily confused as to what grown ups say.

I think it is time to examine the church's tax exempt status if they are going to become a tool of any political organization.

Many churches end their services with a blessing for our leaders. You'd spend your time more wisely going after the Rainbow Coalition or the NAACP, who blatantly endorsed Kerry in the last election.

And finally, I'd have to question the sincerity of people whose religion only applies to a certain political party.

:shk:

Interestingly, I went a few times to the Catholic church where my girlfriend sings and directs. One of the sermons was quite refreshing - it was about how the profiling of Muslims as a whole should lead the congregation to reflect on what it means to be a Catholic. And his conclusion was that being a Catholic means accepting, being tolerant and being charitable.

Now that's a brand of Christianity I like.

Otts, you're a smart lady.. Catholics do not cram crap down your throats for the most part. They do not judge quite like evangelical bible thumpers down south. Ive yet to hear any thing political at a catholic church.