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Greeks who are to poor to pay Taxes will be sent to Labor Camps
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Originally posted by xuenchen
Soooo
When does this start in the U.S. ?
Maybe sooner than we think..
The I.R.S.S. is capable of anything.
Maybe the T Party audit was a glimpse of the future? After all, we know that govt employees owed taxes and Tea Party merely filed for tax exemption. Who got the bad treatment? It's who the government hates, not who is necessarily poor. Our POTUS wants to sack every person with money. That is class warfare and it's what Marxists do.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Our POTUS wants to sack every person with money. That is class warfare and it's what Marxists do.
I beg to differ. His masters won't lose a single penny.
reply to post by wmd_2008
Oh really? You didn't hear about the gulags and the labor camps of Russia? Try Alexsander Solzhenitsyn,
en.wikipedia.org...
Of course, the gulags are only part of it. The rest is abolition of private property, forcing people to live where the state wants them to live, taking the land and properties for the politburo(remember Dr. Zhivago?), transporting the people in cattle cars(yes the Russians did it too), exiling dissidents to cold, faraway places like Siberia, assigning careers and work assignments to people, in essence, ruling people's lives with an iron fist.
Anybody see a little of that in the States....."we have to pass the bill to know what's in it"..... in the states the people protested the Obamacare bill and half of Congress filibustered, but the rulers in the WH said no this is what is going to be.
And a hint...Obamacare is forcing people to purchase something....we have been bordering communism for some time but it masquerades as programs to help the common good. Those who promote socialism don't want us to know that the end is exactly what we saw in Russia.
Will Putin be able to put the people back in the camps?
If the extreme of labor camps for non-payment of taxes isn't bad enough, what is then? Likely the tax burden became so high because of government overspending and a socialist structure. I hear people on these boards all the time say they don't mind the higher taxes because they can get free healthcare and housing and blah blah blah, but this is how it ends when they run out of capital and everyone else's money.
the war/communism was a subject in history but it wasn't taught the way you are trying to imply.
Oh really? You didn't hear about the gulags and the labor camps of Russia? Try Alexsander Solzhenitsyn,
Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn (/soʊlʒəˈniːtsɨn/;[1] Russian: Алекса́ндр Иса́евич Солжени́цын, pronounced [ɐlʲɪˈksandr ɪˈsaɪvʲɪtɕ səlʐɨˈnʲitsɨn]; 11 December 1918 – 3 August 2008)[2] was a Russian writer, dissident and activist. He helped to raise global awareness of the gulag and the Soviet Union's forced labor camp system. While his writings were often suppressed, he wrote several books most notably The Gulag Archipelago and One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich, two of his best-known works. "For the ethical force with which he has pursued the indispensable traditions of Russian literature",[3] Solzhenitsyn was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1970. He was expelled from the Soviet Union in 1974 but returned to Russia in 1994 after the Soviet system had collapsed.
en.wikipedia.org...
Of course, the gulags are only part of it. The rest is abolition of private property, forcing people to live where the state wants them to live, taking the land and properties for the politburo(remember Dr. Zhivago?), transporting the people in cattle cars(yes the Russians did it too), exiling dissidents to cold, faraway places like Siberia, assigning careers and work assignments to people, in essence, ruling people's lives with an iron fist.
Anybody see a little of that in the States....."we have to pass the bill to know what's in it"..... in the states the people protested the Obamacare bill and half of Congress filibustered, but the rulers in the WH said no this is what is going to be.
And a hint...Obamacare is forcing people to purchase something....we have been bordering communism for some time but it masquerades as programs to help the common good. Those who promote socialism don't want us to know that the end is exactly what we saw in Russia.
Will Putin be able to put the people back in the camps?
It's very easy to find extremes to make things look really bad
If the extreme of labor camps for non-payment of taxes isn't bad enough, what is then? Likely the tax burden became so high because of government overspending and a socialist structure. I hear people on these boards all the time say they don't mind the higher taxes because they can get free healthcare and housing and blah blah blah, but this is how it ends when they run out of capital and everyone else's money.
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Originally posted by supremecommander
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Our POTUS wants to sack every person with money. That is class warfare and it's what Marxists do.
I beg to differ. His masters won't lose a single penny.
Well of course, you are right. Those who espouse socialism and communism, those who promote this in Congress will get to keep their stuff. Pelosi, Buffett, Soros, Bill Gates, etc. That is the crony part of it. And don't forget Hollywood starlets who promote the cause with starry eyes.
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Originally posted by pavmas
Communism is now took grip in Europe,
Britain we now have secret courts private companies issuing summons which is against the law, Our courts and justice system is to be privatised, They have sold our water, Gas and National Grid to private companies.
"Communism" is privatization to foreign corporate interests???
You're either poorly educated or insane, OP. Go read about real, historical communism instead of relying on poor interpretations by Alex Jones and those other political manipulators.
This is what communism comes from:
The Paris Commune and the Communards.
The ECB and their minions are the complete ENEMIES of real communists, even though they are corporate socialists, of the British "Fabian" tradition. The communists back then were for a popular republic, free from the bankers and their armies. Even George Washington and Lincoln would have been on their side.
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reply to post by Echtelion
It is never going to be what people like you hype it up and glorify it to be. It was always horrible and violent from the bloody start when they murdered the czar and his wife in children in cold blood with a firing squad in their own home.
It is never going to be what people like you hype it up and glorify it to be. It was always horrible and violent from the bloody start when they murdered the czar and his wife in children in cold blood with a firing squad in their own home.
Originally posted by Frith
Originally posted by pavmas
Communism is now took grip in Europe,
Greeks who are to poor to pay and owe taxes will be sent to labor camps where they will have to work to pay off the debt.
www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com...
Britain we now have secret courts private companies issuing summons which is against the law, Our courts and justice system is to be privatised, They have sold our water, Gas and National Grid to private companies.
You need to get your systems of government straightened out in your post.
Private control of everything is a hallmark of capitalist countries.
Government control of everything is a hallmark of communist countries.
What you're describing is capitalist domination, but your very first sentence goes after communism.
Maybe you don't understand that when a GOVERNMENT taxes the PUBLIC and for nonpayment to the PUBLIC, it puts them in a PUBLICLY owned and run govt facility....it is PUBLIC and not private. I think you have some stuff mixed up in your head about this process. Truly those who espouse socialism refuse to see the handwriting on the wall.
In Russia, the kickoff of the Bolshevik communist revolution started with the murder of the czar and his family. So where does that particular action fit in with all the rosy pictures socialists and communists paint of what they say is communism? How does that particular action even fit in with the Marxist vision....ie the dictatorship of the proletariat and union leadership and what not?
It was class warfare. Whoever had money and power was targeted. Then after that they went for the dissidents and those who opposed the SYSTEM.
When private firms collude with government and centralized bureaucracy, it then becomes a public/private partnership. The banking system today really represents this. The World Bank and the IMF represents the private arm of a global centralized dictatorship.
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ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Echtelion
It is never going to be what people like you hype it up and glorify it to be. It was always horrible and violent from the bloody start when they murdered the czar and his wife in children in cold blood with a firing squad in their own home.
Further lols...
And the Russian monarchy was a pacifist regime from which rivers of gold were flowing and it giving Russians the ability to FLY!
Yeah the Russian revolutionaries were violent, because it was a civil war between the White Army and the Red Army (and to a minor level the Black Army of Ukraine), between the forces of the old order and the communist insurgency. There is no historical instance of a revolution without bloodshed, and the American Revolution is far from being an exclusion.
And the Paris Communards were violently repressed in a huge massacre by Prussian forces, under the direction of French generals. The capitalist/imperialist States are aggressors, and some of the biggest mass murderers in history. But beyond that, States in general are THE biggest mass-murderers in History!
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well well, there is proposed legislation to crack down on nonpayment of taxes with reward of a bailout by the IMF.
And what did I just say about the IMF and World Bank...they are the financial arm of the communist/socialist/fascist/capitalist global one world elite dictatorship.
www.ft.com...
Isn't that nice of the European Union to use socialist means of bailing out governments with Capital while urging the jailing of people for nonpayment of the public debt, run up by socialists who do central planning? This is clearly foisted upon the people by the left.
I had to take out the excerpts from the article as they apparently do not allow cut and paste.
So the gist of this article is that the government decided to implement tough legislation on nonpayment of taxes in lieu of a bailout by the European Union and the IMF(financial arm of global governance) and the conservative party opposed it saying that the tax paying capacity of businesses and individuals is overwhelmed.
Leave it to the leftists to imprison people for non compliance to the greedy redistributionist schemes of the global left.
The OP is essentially right all things considered.
And what did I just say about the IMF and World Bank...they are the financial arm of the communist/socialist/fascist/capitalist global one world elite dictatorship.
www.ft.com...
Isn't that nice of the European Union to use socialist means of bailing out governments with Capital while urging the jailing of people for nonpayment of the public debt, run up by socialists who do central planning? This is clearly foisted upon the people by the left.
I had to take out the excerpts from the article as they apparently do not allow cut and paste.
So the gist of this article is that the government decided to implement tough legislation on nonpayment of taxes in lieu of a bailout by the European Union and the IMF(financial arm of global governance) and the conservative party opposed it saying that the tax paying capacity of businesses and individuals is overwhelmed.
Leave it to the leftists to imprison people for non compliance to the greedy redistributionist schemes of the global left.
The OP is essentially right all things considered.
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by Frith
Originally posted by pavmas
Communism is now took grip in Europe,
Greeks who are to poor to pay and owe taxes will be sent to labor camps where they will have to work to pay off the debt.
www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com...
Britain we now have secret courts private companies issuing summons which is against the law, Our courts and justice system is to be privatised, They have sold our water, Gas and National Grid to private companies.
You need to get your systems of government straightened out in your post.
Private control of everything is a hallmark of capitalist countries.
Government control of everything is a hallmark of communist countries.
What you're describing is capitalist domination, but your very first sentence goes after communism.
Maybe you don't understand that when a GOVERNMENT taxes the PUBLIC and for nonpayment to the PUBLIC, it puts them in a PUBLICLY owned and run govt facility....it is PUBLIC and not private. I think you have some stuff mixed up in your head about this process. Truly those who espouse socialism refuse to see the handwriting on the wall.
In Russia, the kickoff of the Bolshevik communist revolution started with the murder of the czar and his family.
No. Like I wrote, it started with the Red Army's uprising within and outside of the ranks of the State's army, near the end of WW1. The execution of the Czar was a symbolic detail, that happened during the revolution. And how the hell is this more "violent" than this same Czar who sent hundreds of thousands Russians to their deaths, just for profits for his capitalist buddies? This is sooo messed up.
Originally posted by pavmas
Communism is now took grip in Europe,
Greeks who are to poor to pay and owe taxes will be sent to labor camps where they will have to work to pay off the debt.
www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com...
I don't see this happening, but ya never know.
Peace out.
edit on 29-5-2013 by Realtruth because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Echtelion
And what is the difference? It was all going on at the same time with the same people. Maybe the execution of the czar was symbolic, but it was real too, and they seized the property meanwhile, because communism is meant to abolish private property.
To the communists, the czar represented bourgeois wealth and they had to be eliminated.
No. Like I wrote, it started with the Red Army's uprising within and outside of the ranks of the State's army, near the end of WW1. The execution of the Czar was a symbolic detail, that happened during the revolution.
And what is the difference? It was all going on at the same time with the same people. Maybe the execution of the czar was symbolic, but it was real too, and they seized the property meanwhile, because communism is meant to abolish private property.
To the communists, the czar represented bourgeois wealth and they had to be eliminated.
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reason given)
Originally posted by Echtelion
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Echtelion
It is never going to be what people like you hype it up and glorify it to be. It was always horrible and violent from the bloody start when they murdered the czar and his wife in children in cold blood with a firing squad in their own home.
Further lols...
And the Russian monarchy was a pacifist regime from which rivers of gold were flowing and it giving Russians the ability to FLY!
Yeah the Russian revolutionaries were violent, because it was a civil war between the White Army and the Red Army (and to a minor level the Black Army of Ukraine), between the forces of the old order and the communist insurgency. There is no historical instance of a revolution without bloodshed, and the American Revolution is far from being an exclusion.
And the Paris Communards were violently repressed in a huge massacre by Prussian forces, under the direction of French generals. The capitalist/imperialist States are aggressors, and some of the biggest mass murderers in history. But beyond that, States in general are THE biggest mass-murderers in History!
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So you are saying the execution of the czar was justified in order to take the wealth from the Imperial court and redistribute it among the poor or the soldiers of the revolt?
At least the American Revolution was fought for freedom and not for enslavement by a centralized bureaucracy.
Here is the danger when the public debt for entitlements and other bureaucratic spending gets too high
blog.heritage.org...
“This trend should concern everyone who supports America’s republican form of government,” Beach and Tyrrell wrote. “If the citizens’ representatives are elected by an increasing percentage of voters who pay no income tax, how long will it be before these representatives respond more to demands for yet more entitlements and subsidies from non-payers than to the pleas of taxpayers to exercise greater spending prudence?”
blog.heritage.org...
reply to post by pavmas
LOL!!! What has communism to do with this? Another person who does not understand communism making silly remarks about it.
LOL!!! What has communism to do with this? Another person who does not understand communism making silly remarks about it.
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by Nicks87
IMHO the greeks are doing the right thing by not paying taxes. The banks got greece into this mess now they want the taxpayers to pay for it. They need to throw the bankers in jail like they did in Iceland.
Greek taxpayers enjoyed the benefits that het banks rorting the system gave them - high wages, high pensions and the like - indeed they actively supported their own corrupt politics by returning the parties that would give them better access to the trough!
Stop making the Greeks sound like they were hard done by by some foreign conspiracy - the whole of Greece did this to themselves, and like anyone else they have to pay their debts!
Thats right, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...
Of course there's no foreign banking conspiracy... You are the sane one and everyone else is CRAZY!
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If the Greek would have payed taxes in the first place they would not be in such a mess.
Yeah a little hard to say I know.
Its just that I payed huge taxes my whole life (living in Netherlands) and now I pay tax for the Greek EU support and that sucks. The Greek bank owners receiving my money must be very happy.
Europe is going down the drain.
Yeah a little hard to say I know.
Its just that I payed huge taxes my whole life (living in Netherlands) and now I pay tax for the Greek EU support and that sucks. The Greek bank owners receiving my money must be very happy.
Europe is going down the drain.
Originally posted by ahamarlin
If the Greek would have payed taxes in the first place they would not be in such a mess.
Yeah a little hard to say I know.
Its just that I payed huge taxes my whole life (living in Netherlands) and now I pay tax for the Greek EU support and that sucks. The Greek bank owners receiving my money must be very happy.
Europe is going down the drain.
Thanks for posting. I have heard over and over again how great the socialist economy is in Scandinavian countries and now we see that those who paid for everyone else got stuck with the tab and now people like you have to bailout everyone else who didn't pay. It looks to me like people have to pay in to the world banking system so the IMF will have that money to loan out to people to bail them out.
And then what happens is the socialists blame the capitalists and the banking system for everything and just say oh it was the evil banks who did this and that way they absolve themselves from any personal responsibility for failed government policies which involve redistributionist schemes.
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Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by pavmas
Well I went to school in the 60's in the UK as well, the war/communism was a subject in history but it wasn't taught the way you are trying to imply.
Doctors have been running their own budgets for a while now and I have been hearing claims like yours about the NHS with every change of government for as long as I can remember.
As for the car insurance of course you have to be insured in case you have an accident!
Insurance quotes are based on many factors where you live , your age , type of car, size of engine etc etc.
My son started driving just over 4 yrs ago his first insurance which was in his name,some people insure a car in their name with their child as a named driver for cheaper insurance although the child is really the main/only driver if caught doing that when making a claim they wont pay! His quote was only £1000 for a 1200 cc 60 bhp car now 4 years later he has a 225 bhp car and only pays £650 fully comp.
It's very easy to find extremes to make things look really bad , I think some members on here get some kind of pleasure out of that. Yes things are not good at the moment but people need to remain level headed about it.edit on 29-5-2013 by wmd_2008 because: (no reason given)
Hi
I logged on just to reply to this one post, First I want to deal with the insurance, It is Law that everyone has insurance and I agree its a good thing incase of accidents.
It is the injustice of it, Your son was quoted £1000' I have no problem with that if every kid in the country was charged that amount but thats not the way it works.
A kid in Essex who is 18 passes their test and gets 1200cc car is charged £1000, but a kid in Cardiff or The West Midlands gets quoted £5000 in Manchester its £8,000 and the reasons given are its a high crime area with lots of car thefts.
Well thats a police problem not an 18 year old kids, why should a kid pay five time more insurance just because they are unlucky enough to live in a poorer high crime area, they don;t have a choice they by law have to have Insurance,This is a law that is being run to make a profit, if its law that we must have car insurance then it should be the same rate for all just as the road tax is just as petrol tax is. Do you see where Im coming from the kids from high crime areas are being hit the hardest, and in poor areas the jobs all tend to be min wage so and 18 year old who passes his test is more likley to break the law ( the odds were stacked against them from the start, if an area has high crime it is up to the Government and police to deal with it, this is just one area where the government has engineered things to take hope away from the poor, and thats why I say that it maybe dressed up as capitalism but this drudgery put in the way of poor people is straight from the communist book.
They have done the same with fuel food and now benefits, the new rules that come into force in Aug is not an attack on the unemployed it is an attack on the low paid as well (please check this out its called Universal Credit
www.mumsnet.com... )
I can only tell you my expierence in the Midlands regarding the NHS, I am a Type 1 diabetic and have been for 5 years Im supposed to have my HBac1 checked every 3 months, then the appointments were every six months and then every 8 months, I was supposed to see a dietitcian the first two weeks I was diagnosed five years later and Im still waiting, Im supposed to have my feet checked every time I have a check up' I have never had them checked ever. I used to have a well being nurse phone once a month to check on my condition as Im very high risk of heart attack and stroke, this service was closed 6 months ago, I was told that the machine for my blood sugar testing was getting changed for a cheaper one with cheaper strips, the meter is known for giving high readings and the batteries ran out and I hd to get a taxi over to Asda to get new one as this fly by night companies phone just rang out so no back up service, I suffer from constant hypos and should have been put on a pump ages ago but a pump has never been mentioned, I was diabetic for 2 years and never even knew a pump existed ( Only 1 % of diabetics in the Uk get a pump lower than any country in the western world and lowere than some third world countries) My doctor said I could only register with him if i never called him out.
My wife has a leaking heart valve and a murmur and has never been offered surgery or put on a waiting list, thats since 1993 and all she gets is Simvistatins and beta blockers.
I dont know where you live mate but the NHS is finished where I live.
I was educated in Scotland and everything I learned about communism is happening now, they can call it what they like capitalism, privatisation, but its communism .
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I ran out of room, If you dont think Im right then that's ok everyone is entitled to an opinion (for now)
But everyone in the UK should read about this Universal credit which will be Universal Misery.
A person can work part time in Asda. if they receive Tax credit or some housing Benefit then the will be treated the same as unemployed, they will be called into the benefit office to see why they have not found a better paying job or one with more hours, they will be sanctioned if the benefit clerk thinks they have not tried hard enough.
Now here is the kicker a part time worker in Asda who cannot find more hours will be forced to do six months unpaid work in somewhere like Asda, so they will work 20 hours paid min wage and 20 hours free.
Last year one of the big supermarket chains started cutting hours and some got on 9 hours a week contracts, most supermarket workers are part time, they just wont give full time contracts.
Go figure it out
I ran out of room, If you dont think Im right then that's ok everyone is entitled to an opinion (for now)
But everyone in the UK should read about this Universal credit which will be Universal Misery.
A person can work part time in Asda. if they receive Tax credit or some housing Benefit then the will be treated the same as unemployed, they will be called into the benefit office to see why they have not found a better paying job or one with more hours, they will be sanctioned if the benefit clerk thinks they have not tried hard enough.
Now here is the kicker a part time worker in Asda who cannot find more hours will be forced to do six months unpaid work in somewhere like Asda, so they will work 20 hours paid min wage and 20 hours free.
Last year one of the big supermarket chains started cutting hours and some got on 9 hours a week contracts, most supermarket workers are part time, they just wont give full time contracts.
Go figure it out