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posted on May, 29 2013 @ 11:52 AM
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It is so sad how brainwashed some people can still be, and how successful the MSM really is...A quick review in the recent history of different countries shows their true colors. ,,it is just as simple as that.,,unless of course one has an agenda against any particular nation,or is too lazy or afraid to search,or they don't care which I think is the most probable case.




posted on May, 29 2013 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by shapur

The war in the ME is by no means a war between Sunni and Shia....It is simply a war between Western and Eastern Ideologies.I am afraid you are underestimating the matter a bit my friend.....A lot of people are trying to use the old Divide and Conquer trick in the region in hopes of getting Saudis or Turks to attack Iran,but I am sure they know better than that.....You would have made an interesting OP if you weren't so biased.


You claimed the MSM lies. So are you suggesting we ignore all MSM, see no evil, hear no evil and talk no evil, remain ignorant and just go through life blissfully, and when disaster struck, we blame Allah when it had been men given free will at fault?

Right now, the fight is going on between 2 ancient sectarian civilisations for thousands years, far longer than any civilisation of today. Rome ended, the Byzantine empire ended, Catholicism split but at peace and corrections, europe and china ruled by new rulers with different ideologies and new nations emerged with less than 300 years history.

And there you are, having the guts to drag western ideologies using unsubstantiated or even any real evidences into this ME strife of centuries old? How long do you intend to hide your head in the hole, blaming everyone else except the actual perpetrators of the tragedy we see and find solutions to end it?

The solutions lay with you and me. Alone we are powerless and insignificant. But when truths and realities are shared, discussed and debated with our families, relatives and friends, combined, we make up our societies, our community and the world, and fully capable of strengths to find solutions, acknowledge errors and correct them for change to come.
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posted on May, 29 2013 @ 01:12 PM
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So you are telling me that western countries have not been involved in Me affairs and whatever MSM is feeding us is absolute truth and we have to all educate ourselves and our families to think inside the box and cheer up the bullies for such a nice job they did to protect us all from the big bad evil! "terrorists"?...Can you honestly say that the US/west involvements and interferences in Iran,Iraq,Afghanistan,Syria,Libya,Soudan,Egypt,etc..is been purely out of their compassion towards the people and love for freedom and human rights!?....Even kids don't buy into that anymore.



posted on May, 29 2013 @ 01:46 PM
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Of course the U.S. is involved in Middle Eastern affairs, but as you can tell, absolutely no one is in control of it.

Too many people and nations involved with different agendas, including the Middle Easterners.

It won't end well for anyone.



posted on May, 29 2013 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by shapur
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101
 


So you are telling me that western countries have not been involved in Me affairs and whatever MSM is feeding us is absolute truth and we have to all educate ourselves and our families to think inside the box and cheer up the bullies for such a nice job they did to protect us all from the big bad evil! "terrorists"?...Can you honestly say that the US/west involvements and interferences in Iran,Iraq,Afghanistan,Syria,Libya,Soudan,Egypt,etc..is been purely out of their compassion towards the people and love for freedom and human rights!?....Even kids don't buy into that anymore.


1.) I am telling you not to be some brainwashed automaton.

You claimed to western involvement, but do you have the guts to be MORE specific? Economic aid too is considered 'involvement', just as the neutral for decades red cross organisation had been SENSELESSLY attacked by the Taliban today for giving medical aid to all.


2. ) I am telling you not be some IGNORANT stupid idiot. No media is perfect or objective. Read the MSM, but MAKE DARN SURE you read from a few more others to CROSS REFERENCE information. One media can lie, but can ALL lie? It aint gonna happen, not in this age whereby even internet forums and bloggers are getting into the act, and often with instaneous info, not just from one source, but a few other sources.


3.) You as a kid may not believe in compassion and empathy, as evident by your continued belligerance, idiocy and unsubstantiated hatred for the west that you BLINDLY subscribed to other views that inflates your ego into believeing that you were right to hate without any evidence or critical thinking.

The west, even in poor economic health, had done more for the world, sacrificed much blood to empathically help others around our world. Financial Aid to africa, egypt, pakistan, yeman, afghanistan, etc, justice to the victims of 911 with Osama served cold through the sacrifices of many american and international troops in Afghanistan, booted out the despot Sadam so that Iraqis can determine their own future but thanks to persian apostate Khamenei, they screwed it up themselves, freeing Kuwait from Iraq's henious invasion, etc, etc.

How much....had your idol the persian infidel apostate Khamenei done for our world? Only to destablise nations with its agents around our world, europe, kenya, thailand, gulf states, etc, invaded and OCCUPIED Lebanon, Iraq for years and now Syria, its military dressed in civilian attire and known as Hizbollahs SLAUGHTERING innocent men, women and BABIES by the thousands over the past 2 years+


4.) Do I think you should educate yourself and your families on truths and realities? For you, most certainly yes as your ignorances are clear. As for you to educate your family, relatives and friends, I think best not as they would see through your current lies, falsehood, dogma if not plain ignorances despite my attempts to reach out to you in good faith.

Cheers.
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posted on May, 30 2013 @ 05:07 AM
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Thank you for your sound advice...Your super logical,compassionately elaborated comments made me realize what a fool I have been all these years thinking that giant corporate elites have only been interested in their,well,interests in the ME....Now I know the poor westerners have been only trying to help us little ones in far lands to free ourselves from our ignorance and shine like a star that we really are....Now that my eyes are finally opened,I can see the prosperity,peace and the stability that US is brought to Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya,Syria,etc... Now I know why they supported Saddam while fighting with Iran and Hanging him upside down later on when needed,much like his former bodies Mobarak and ghaddafi....I can go on for ever if you want me too,but the whole point is,,Thanks, for the Awakening, your efforts are really appreciated.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 07:00 AM
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You really need to get out more. Why don't you try reading Middle Eastern news sources to see what's really going on in the Middle East once in a while. Here, let me pull a few headlines for you...

These are all headlines just since yesterday from Iran's Fars News Agency...

english.farsnews.com...

Nasrallah (Secretary General of Hezbollah in Lebanon) Stresses Iran's Key Role in Victory of Resistance Movement

Bombs Hit Baghdad Districts, at Least 10 Dead (During Month Long Surge)

Attacks in Iraq Kill 28, Injure Many Others

Bomb Blast Kills 7, Injures 11 in Iraq

Senior MP Rejects Claims about Arms Shipment to Yemen

Suicide Bombers Attack Peaceful Province in North Afghanistan

Lebanese Speaker Stresses Iran's Significant Role in Settling Regional Problems



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 01:10 PM
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And I suppose you are suggesting that all these events are manufactured by Iran!....Iranians only help Syria to stay strong and in one piece and facilitate them to get out of this western fabricated conflict.I think that is what any rational nation would do for their ally....As I said before ,this Divide and Conquer plot is not going to work this time,,you are just wasting your breath.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 01:17 PM
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As long as they're fighting with each other, they're not fighting with us. That's really all that needs to be said.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by shapur
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And I suppose you are suggesting that all these events are manufactured by Iran!....Iranians only help Syria to stay strong and in one piece and facilitate them to get out of this western fabricated conflict.I think that is what any rational nation would do for their ally....As I said before ,this Divide and Conquer plot is not going to work this time,,you are just wasting your breath.


You are delusional. Iran has been meddling in Iraq's affairs and stirring the pot on the Shia/Sunni conflict since U.S. troops left. Do some research.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 04:03 AM
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You dammed right Iran is involved in Iraq...Iran was the only nation helping Iraq to get out of the mess that US made in there...Talebani,Barezani,Ayatollah Sistani and many many other key political players in Iraq's government are Iranian or have been living in Iran...Iraq's fundamental structure after the US invasion is been influenced by Iran....Iran makes roads,power plants,Dams,schools,mosques,etc,not only in Iraq but in Afghanistan and other neighboring countries...And for your information if it wasn't for Iran the region would have been the heaven for terrorist activities and total Anarchy would have caused the world to pay a lot more for oil and gas...So next time you fill up your car with relatively cheap gas thank Iran for not letting the pipelines to be a playground for the terrorists,fundamentalists,rebels or corrupted regimes.....You are welcome.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 04:22 AM
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political religion is not necessary a bad thing. more precisely all monotheistic religions had political roots. when Moses stood against Pharaoh and when Jesus stood against the corrupted leaders of Israel (tribe) and when Muhammad stood against the elites of Mecca and of course two emperors of Roman and Persian.
so politics is inseparable part of monotheistic religions. since without politics there is no other way to correct the society.
and about middle east. not only middle east but our world is a victim of radicalism, racism, ignorance. this is the humanity of 21 th century. they are not related to monotheistic religions definitely since history of humanity is full of such ignorances.
nowadays we are witnessing an odd event in the history of humanity, that is nothing but alliance of radicals of all monotheistic religions from Jews to Christians and Muslims !
we had events like crusades or killing jews in Europe but there were between those who claimed being Christians and Jews or Christians and Muslims. but nowadays we are witnessing a complex battle !
it is really odd for me, since this battle is harshly radical and ideological, it can not be just for materialistic benefits. or maybe it is on behalf of benefits of a minority.
Phobias that are spreading in our world. for example in the west we see terrors in the name of False Islam and in the middle east, Phobias between sects and the concept of false Jihad and the concept of false liberating wars and ...............
I wish OP did not hide it's point behind the masks of Shia, Sunii, Mankind and ........ but it would mention it's main point bravely. a colonialism Machine called ISRAEL.
I do not ignore the bunch of ignorance in the middle east but of course that entity (Israel) should be added to those ignorances.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 05:10 AM
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please be quiet or do some research, you are embarrassing ATS



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 06:17 AM
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Do some research on Iran's connections with Iraq's Al Qaeda.

Here, let me help you...

"Alliance Against America: Al Qaeda and Iran"

www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com...
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posted on May, 31 2013 @ 06:22 AM
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You do realize that Political Islam's ultimate goal is to push Israel out of the Middle East?



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by maes2
I wish OP did not hide it's point behind the masks of Shia, Sunii, Mankind and ........ but it would mention it's main point bravely. a colonialism Machine called ISRAEL.
I do not ignore the bunch of ignorance in the middle east but of course that entity (Israel) should be added to those ignorances.



You would have made your point, but unfortunately, when you mentioned the word Israel as a scapegoat of colonialism in the Middle East, you ripped every shred of credibility that remains within you.

That you caimed you do not ignore the bunch of ignorances in the middle east, yet blame Israel is to be cunningly devious with the fullest intentions to hide truths and propagate lies and falsehoods over the events of 1948 and a few years prior to that and after that.

There is no need to take any sides based on emotions. Let truths stand. This thread is not to change anyone's perceptions, and impose upon anyone's free will, except for the apostate Khamenei's lovers whom post after post praised that devil to the sky.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by shapur

And for your information if it wasn't for Iran the region would have been the heaven for terrorist activities and total Anarchy would have caused the world to pay a lot more for oil and gas...So next time you fill up your car with relatively cheap gas thank Iran for not letting the pipelines to be a playground for the terrorists,fundamentalists,rebels or corrupted regimes.....You are welcome.


I would have left your post alone on my thread, as it is only your freedom of expression and personal opinion, even if ignorant.

BUT PLEASE, if you want to spout such BS as the above, start your own thread on the worship of your god Khamenei.

To many, he and his predecessor Khomeni are devils incarnate whom had been the cause of islamic strife around our world for decades, just so that sunni anger against shias like him are distracted to kill each other of mankind.



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 12:33 PM
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I don't worship anybody...I only see the facts as they are not by how they might appear to be....Sorry if my spouting ignorance rained on your parade a little....but no politician is a saint, there are bad ones and then there are worse,and Khamenei certainly pales in comparison to some very familiar western figures....Love the way your beloved Bibi is running the business around here by the way.
...And I thought as a "seeker of truth" you would know that Al Qaeda and Taliban amongst many other terrorist groups are created ,supported and used by the US/UK...I hate to sound cheesy, (like you did) but you really need to open your eyes and be more educated, at least about the ME issues...



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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You do realize that Political Islam's ultimate goal is to push Israel out of the Middle East?

well, this is a big problem. I do not know how to look at it. if one considers Israel a religious country or a jew country, it is not adequate. I think even the people of Israel agree with me that their country is secular.
after Ottomans broke down, Kingdom of England tried to divide the middle east on behalf of it's own benefits.
Israel was at first a place for jews (as Kingdom of England claimed) but soon with huge immigrations, situation became stressful. Israel grew more and more. the only country that has not any specified border in it's constitution.
the worst point is that the country of Palestine which Kingdom of England had promised, has never become recognized as an independent country. these are all stressful. this issue has a 60 years history. the situation of Syria is again part of this history. radicalism will lead to radicalism. and international organizations are not able to end the crisis. of course if there were logic and fair conversations through international organizations we would not witness these situations.
but many of the inhabitants of that land are wanderer because Israel is growing and growing. and the people of Israel are living in insecurity. so who is the winner !?!
political Islam may lead to throw out Israel the same as political Judaism has led to throw out other inhabitants of that land. all of them based on upside down comments about Bible Which that land is promised to Jews !
no that Land is promised to the children of Abraham. regardless of beliefs.
I am not pro-Islam radicalists (those who may say throw out Israel to sea however they are allies of the leaders of Israel nowadays !) but as international organizations have not enough power to meddle in such issues with justice (for example referendum), the situation will become harsher, harsher and harsher in the middle east.
however this shows that even Jews believe that Israel is not that righteous.
www.ifamericansknew.org...



posted on May, 31 2013 @ 01:23 PM
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...And I thought as a "seeker of truth" you would know that Al Qaeda and Taliban amongst many other terrorist groups are created ,supported and used by the US/UK...I hate to sound cheesy, (like you did) but you really need to open your eyes and be more educated, at least about the ME issues...



If you were really educated on ME or terrorist issues, you would know that all governments use terrorist organizations when it serves a specific purpose for them, but you're obviously blind to the level in which Iran uses them. You said earlier that Iran was only involved with terrorists as they relate to protecting Assad, but you're wrong.





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