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NEWS: UPDATE: Ivory Coast Situation Deteriorating, French Forces Continue Fire Into Air To Disburse

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posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 09:18 AM
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French forces in the Ivory Coast have shot down two planes and helicopter belonging to government forces. This comes on the heels of an bombing attack targeting a rebel stronghold that killed a French peacekeeper.
 


UPDATE: France has deployed troops, armored vehicles and gunships to combat machete armed mobs that are going house to house looking for foreigners. French forces have seized control of the largest city, commandeering airports and posting gunboats under bridges in the commercial capital, Abidjan.


ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast - France rolled out overwhelming military force Sunday to put down an explosion of anti-French violence in its former West African colony, deploying troops, armored vehicles, and helicopter gunships against machete-waving mobs that hunted house-to-house for foreigners.

Ivory Coast

UPDATE: November 8th at 4:50 AM PST
French troops fired into the air to disperse a mob numbering in the thousands that had massed to support the Ivory Coast President Laurent Gbagbo. The state radio urged the people to form a human shield around the Presidents home in the event that French troops move on it. The Ivory Coast is one of the worlds biggest producers of cocoa. News of the turmoil has caused a spike in cocoa prices.



ABIDJAN (Reuters) - French troops in Ivory Coast's main city of Abidjan fired into the air on Monday to disperse thousands of demonstrators massing to support the West African country's President Laurent Gbagbo.

State radio urged protesters to form a "human shield" to protect Gbagbo's home in a plush residential district in case French troops, who have taken over a hotel complex nearby, tried to move toward the residence.

"We are asking our patriots to go and join the others at the Hotel Ivoire ... We are asking for French tanks to go back to their base," firebrand pro-Gbagbo youth leader Charles Ble Goude said on state radio, shortly after the shooting.
Ivory Coast





story.news.yahoo.com
ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast - Government warplanes bombed a rebel stronghold Saturday, killing a French peacekeeper and injuring 20 other people, and French troops responded by shooting down two military planes and an attack helicopter, U.N. officials said.

The violence threatened to drag French and U.N. peacekeepers into Ivory Coast's renewed civil war, sparked when army hardliners Thursday broke a cease-fire after more than a year of relative peace and launched airstrikes on rebel-held cities.

The government warplanes struck the northern town of Bouake on Saturday afternoon, killing the French soldier, U.N. mission spokesman Jean Victor Nkolo said. It was not clear whether the 20 injured were French soldiers or others, or what the air raid was targeting.

Soon after, a U.N. military spokesman said French forces shot down two Ivory Coast warplanes and an attack helicopter over rebel territory.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Both the French forces and those of the United Nations are at risk of being dragged into the civil war that is being fought in the African nation. A cease fire that had been in place more than a year was broken when hardliners in the army launched a series of air strikes against the rebels. It was unclear if the plane was targeting the rebels or the French forces, and it is not known if the planes shot down were participating in the strike that killed the peacekeeper.

[edit on 11/7/04 by FredT]

[edit on 11/8/04 by FredT]




posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 10:42 AM
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Hmm, after reading a Pakistani source article mentioning that a French Judge asserts the U.S. is spending too much time looking for Bin Laden, I really don't know where to begin with this topic, FredT.

Would this be considered the greatest French victory since they sank the unarmed Rainbow Warrior belonging to Greepeace?

Better yet, did this action pass a 'global test'? Did it recieve permission and/or authority from the defunct United Nation's? Were the allies briefed prior to the action taken? After all, it is a hostile act.
Then again, knowing the French, the 2 aircraft and one helo were probably French built?

What is even more ironic is that this French 'retaliatory' action was in response to one French Peacekeeper being killed and 20 civilain's being wounded? Would this be considered a "unilateral" action? What's Mr. Kofi Annan's response?

Hmm, maybe i'm being a bit harsh here....
But, which side are the French on in this 'affair' in the Ivory Coast anyhow?




seekerof

[edit on 6-11-2004 by Seekerof]



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 11:35 AM
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The story was just updated with a lot more info. Making this and the previous post almost obsolete.



Better yet, did this action pass a 'global test'? Did it recieve permission and/or authority from the defunct United Nation's? Were the allies briefed prior to the action taken? After all, it is a hostile act.

UN peacekeepers have the right to use deadly force only if it's extremely necessary to defend themselves. It seems that this might fit that description.


Then again, knowing the French, the 2 aircraft and one helo were probably French built?

Or american, IC has both...
www.worldairforces.com...

But according to the just updated story, they were Sukhois. So not american or french.


What is even more ironic is that this French 'retaliatory' action was in response to one French Peacekeeper being killed and 20 civilain's being wounded?

8 French peacekeepers were killed.

"Our forces responded in a situation of legitimate defense," Bureau said. "Now the priority is the immediate end of combat."


But, which side are the French on in this 'affair' in the Ivory Coast anyhow?

Neither side, they're peacekeepers.
Many in the country's fiercely nationalistic south resent the French peacekeeping force, suspecting it of siding with the rebels, though French forces have often served to protect the government from the rebels.


What's Mr. Kofi Annan's response?

He'll probably make a statement that this was very unfortunate turn of events.



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posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 12:30 PM
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IVORY Coast warplanes have mistakenly bombed a French base in the rebel-held north, killing eight French soldiers and wounding 23.

www.news.com.au...



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 12:35 PM
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Hmmmmmm

if this gets out of hand, i wonder who they will turn to for help?

Just a deep down thought as i remember the French not backing the coalition.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 12:39 PM
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French President Jacques Chirac has ordered any Ivorian planes used in recent air raids to be destroyed after the death of eight French peacekeepers.

French forces destroyed two Ivory Coast government planes on the ground at an airbase soon after the bombing, which also left 23 French soldiers injured.

They are the highest losses suffered by the former colonial power since it began deploying 4,000 troops last year.

Two additional companies are being dispatched to beef up the force.

news.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 12:40 PM
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Seekerof....very well put.

The French were there under th auspices of the U.N. Vibetic, yes U.N. peacekeepers have the right to use deadly force, only to defend themselves. It looks to me that the French forces went out with the intention to shoot down these aircraft, therefore invalidating their peacekeeping mission.

....do they think its their colony still??



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 12:42 PM
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Thanks for the updates and explanations vibetic.
Defense is considered and equates to a "unilateral" offense? What the French did was what....an offensive defense?

Been doing some reading on this and found that those aircraft weren't shot down, but were hit while still on the ground...interesting.

As to 'who' the French and the United Nation's may call upon for help when they are continually drawn into this 'affair'......may I suggest one?
Executive Outcomes.




seekerof

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posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 12:50 PM
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spacemunkey,
The French seem to think a lot of 'things'.


50 years into the nuclear age, it seems we're finally coming to our senses. Next year the major nuclear powers look set to sign a treaty banning just about all nuclear testing. But before it signs, France insists on slipping in 8 more underground tests.

The outrage at the French government's decision is universal: it's been decried as arrogant colonialism, jeopardising progress to a nuclear weapons-free world.

But there's also the strong belief that French nuclear tests have contaminated the Pacific and its people.

Given the litany of lies we've been told about nuclear tests - from the Marshall Islands to Maralinga - people are understandably sceptical of France's assurance that all is safe. Claims that France's testing has poisoned the environment and caused cancers and birth defects are of great concern, but must be viewed in the light of the available facts. Tonight, we weigh up the scientific evidence. Is radioactivity the real danger?

www.abc.net.au...



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 12:54 PM
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UN in urgent talks after deaths


November 7, 2004
THE UN Security Council is to hold an emergency meeting to discuss the violence in Ivory Coast, where clashes have left at least nine people dead, including eight French soldiers and a US citizen.

The meeting, to be held this morning (AEDT), was called at France's request and is seeking a statement from the council.

www.news.com.au...



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 12:55 PM
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So what's the difference between the French shooting down two Ivorian jets in retaliation for 8 of their soldiers dying, and the Americans storming Fallujah after the death of 5 British soldiers?

Double standards, double standards.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Thanks for the updates and explanations vibetic.
Defense is considered and equates to a "unilateral" offense? What the French did was what....an offensive defense?

Been doing some reading on this and found that those aircraft weren't shot down, but were hit while still on the ground...interesting.

As to 'who' the French and the United Nation's may call upon for help when they are continually drawn into this 'affair'......may I suggest one?
Executive Outcomes.




seekerof

[edit on 6-11-2004 by Seekerof]


Ancient proverb says "The best defense is a good offense."
OOOOOPS! If they were shot on the ground that changes everything.

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posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 12:58 PM
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Sanctum - I agree.

They seem to have their own self centred agenda on numerous issues throughout the world.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 01:01 PM
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Otts..

The taking of Fallujah has been on the cards for weeks....

Its not in response to the deaths of 3 British Soldiers



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by seekerof
Defense is considered and equates to a "unilateral" offense? What the French did was what....an offensive defense? Been doing some reading on this and found that those aircraft weren't shot down, but were hit while still on the ground...interesting.

If they disabled them on the ground I doubt they put anyone in the cockpit to go with them, thus deadly force wasn't projected. That situation could be equated to confiscating a heavy machinegun from someone who had just been shooting at you with intention to kill.

www.news.com.au...

An Ivorian military source at the airport said two Ivorian soldiers had been wounded in the clash.

If anyone went with the planes they would say so. Quite likely deadly force wasn't used as revenge and only the aircrafts were disabled.


Originally posted by spacemunkey
It looks to me that the French forces went out with the intention to shoot down these aircraft, therefore invalidating their peacekeeping mission.

They quite likely didn't use deadly force, but only took out the aircrafts.
news.bbc.co.uk...
Such action, the French statement said, was authorised by the United Nations mandate covering France's peacekeepers in Ivory Coast.


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posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Thanks for the updates and explanations vibetic.
Defense is considered and equates to a "unilateral" offense? What the French did was what....an offensive defense?


My French is a bit dusty, but does the term "Premption" Ring a bell with anyone?

vibetic: I appreciate your updates, when the inital story broke, the information was limited. Such is the nature of developing news

[edit on 11/6/04 by FredT]

[edit on 11/6/04 by FredT]



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by spacemunkey
Otts..

The taking of Fallujah has been on the cards for weeks....

Its not in response to the deaths of 3 British Soldiers


the first falluja offensive was a direct response to a brutal attack, i recall our response being decried or what of the way israeli responses to attacks are ALWAYS decried? this falluja attack now is in response to attacks on iraqi police, military and civilians, so seekerof's point still stands.

those things are just as justified as this french action.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 03:30 PM
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The French action was taken within 15minutes of the killing of the French peacekeepers. Within such a short time the French Governmrnt has chosen to take such action without knowing the full facts. There are reports that the French U.N. peacekeepers have failed to remain impartial within this country between the two warring factions.

This speaks of partiality. Is France a suitable country to head such peacekeeping missions in a former colony??

[edit on 6-11-2004 by spacemunkey]

[edit on 6-11-2004 by spacemunkey]



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 03:44 PM
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those things are just as justified as this french action.


which 'things' do you mean namehere?



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by vibetic

UN peacekeepers have the right to use deadly force only if it's extremely necessary to defend themselves. It seems that this might fit that description.


Well Kerry would not agree with that...or would he now?.... He did say if he was president of the US we would not use force to defend ourselves unless we passed a global test....so are the French and the UN Peacekeepers any different?.....can they use force to defend themselves without the permission of the UN?......



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