reply to post by SimonPeter
You have the constitution of a wet dish rag . . .
Not good cult material . . then, you mean?
Again you process a lot of
words but you lack reading comprehension . . .
My comment is supported by someone who is pretty expert on all of this, Robert Jewett, who says
in his commentary on Romans, that the Suffering Servant of Isaiah is Israel.
So it is the nation, in that case beaten up by Babylon.
Isaiah compares "him" with a sheep to the slaughter and a lamb to the shearers.
That part is what is supported by Jewett, and what follows is my use of that to interpret Revelation.
So in Revelation, John is borrowing Old Testament imagery to describe Christians as a new nation created out of many nations, who are also like the
lamb, this time the victims of "tribulation" as their 'Babylon'.
. . . If you don't believe the bible why waste your time on it . .
Apparently what you consider "believing in the Bible" is saying that everything between the covers of a book that you can pick up at a local
book store, that says "Bible" on it, is the word of God, including all the forgeries of the New Testament, and all of the Old Testament.
I believe in what was written in the New Testament during the time when the Apostles were still alive.
You seem to have a problem with Jesus dying for your sins and shedding his own blood for you as a final sacrifice for sin . . .
Well, show me
where it says in the Bible that Jesus was a "final sacrifice for sin".
There is nowhere that says that Jesus' blood pays for sin.
If there is, then make sure you jump right on it and correct my wrong opinion!
You have a problem also with the Lords supper and celebrating
the Lords Supper . Jesus took bread and blessed it and brake it and gave it to the disciples and said " Take , eat this is my body Jesus took the cup
and gave it to them saying Drink Ye all of it: For this is my blood of the New Testament which is shed for many for the remission of sins. What gives
with your Blood of Christ denial thing .
"What gives" is my problem with people promoting a theory of a 'blood for sins' payment scheme.
The NT explains itself, and we know that the blood seals the covenant, which is a way towards salvation, and it is a 'redemption' from the
transgressions connected with the old covenant. The redemption is not done by somehow 'paying off' the old covenant, but it is meant in the sense of
being set free, a 'deliverance' from being concerned with all the legalistic minutia of a Law that is not capable of making a person
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