How many of you are really prepared for the Dog Eat Dog society you relish and preach on this site?

Originally posted by Idonttouchmethere
texting. Care to know more about them or is that enough for you?

So you are saying these two people are representative of America?

You must have a very low opinion of Americans, too bad.

Did I say these two are representative of America? These two are an example of the problems with America now days. When you have states in this union with more people living off the taxpayer teat than taxpayers you have a major problem. The other problem is that the people in this thread defending these types of people think they have every right to live off the tax payer instead of getting off their asses and doing something to change their lives.

Originally posted by Idonttouchmethere

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Idonttouchmethere

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Idonttouchmethere


I will prey for you.

You already want to prey on me. Don't prey for me, you already prey for those who would take from me.

I've not lost a single ounce of humility and I have perspective in spades and my perspective is that people, from any station, can rise up and better themselves. The problem with the social welfare programs and those who would take from one to give to another to make themselves feel morally superior, is that it actually hurts people: it punishes success, it destroys drive, it makes people less than human, it removes dignity. You smugly think you are helping people when, in all actuality, you rob them of their humanity.

You are not speaking for every case, you assume that everyone on welfare is lazy and sitting around.
I have worked with people who have TWO jobs and still receive food stamps, while going to school. Just two weeks ago, a 19 year old young man landed on the freeway after being ejected from the jeep due to seat belt failure, he has TBI and will never walk again. Thanks to you and the rest of us, he will be cared for which is the humane thing to do. I see so many things that are contrary to you perspective, and in all sincerity your imagination is not indicative of reality.

Five people in my family have seen through the recent economic mess with some form, all of them are now employed and three are half way through college/training now. I'll tell you what, there is no dignity lost...

Again, you are prejudiced to think that everyone is sitting there loving poverty, this is why it is hard fro me to believe that you understand the nature of poverty. Tell me, are you receiving Tricare? Did you get a GI grant?
Are you going to get social security and Medicare?

BE honest, are you going to stop feeling motivated to get up and work based upon any of that? Is your humanity
diminished because you can go to the doctor right now and been seen?

I wish I could understand why you conflate things so thoroughly, poverty is not something poor people enjoy or strive to achieve.

I find it interesting that you project evil intent and prejudice on people with a different opinion than you. Methinks there is a lot of projection going on.

For every individual who is being cared for with a TBI, there are many, many , many more that are physically capable of working. SSDI has gone up for times in the last 4 years. I highly doubt that there is a sudden epidemic of crippling injuries...people simply figured out the latest game of the system.

Of course poor people would love to be rich. Who wouldn't. The trouble is, so many are not willing to do what it takes as long as they have a safety net.

So often do I see someone who cannot come up with their $3 medicaid copay but reek of cigarette smoke. Lack of discipline and lack of proper priorities causes a lot of these problems. Sure, the poor do not want to be poor, but so many of them don't want to put in the effort either. Why? Because our "great society" has taken away the incentive to do so and this has been going on for generations so you have generations of people who know not any better.

Well you are clearly prejudiced against poor people, that is clear as your writing. There is no distinction (that you have shown) regarding poor people.

That is an outright falsehood. I have said quite clearly that people have the ability to better themselves...this is a respectful position to take. Your position, that they must be taken care of by the state, actually is indicative of much less respect than my position that they can and should better themselves.

Originally posted by NavyDoc
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That is an outright falsehood. I have said quite clearly that people have the ability to better themselves...this is a respectful position to take. Your position, that they must be taken care of by the state, actually is indicative of much less respect than my position that they can and should better themselves.

But to better ones self you need 2 things:

1) Health to work
2) Education fitting to ones talent.

Originally posted by crazyewok

Originally posted by NavyDoc
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That is an outright falsehood. I have said quite clearly that people have the ability to better themselves...this is a respectful position to take. Your position, that they must be taken care of by the state, actually is indicative of much less respect than my position that they can and should better themselves.

But to better ones self you need 2 things:

1) Health to work
2) Education fitting to ones talent.

You can improve your education. Nothing stoops you. It might be hard, it may require personal sacrifice, it may require long hours, but it can be done.

Absent severe mental disability, technology has reduced the health requirements for productivity. I know quadriplegics who make very good livings.

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux

Originally posted by supremecommander
$1200 in cash a month is a lot of money? That wouldn't even cover my housing costs. And last time i checked, HUD isn't free. But, answer me this:

Do they work? I mean, tell me more about these people.

Did you not read my post? $1200 a month is a lot when it's free money and you have no bills. And how is HUD not free? They pay NOTHING for rent. They don't work. The girl will get a job and work for 1 day..just enough to earn $25 so she can file a tax return and get a crap load of money back. The guy? He's never worked a day in his life. He was born into welfare and will most likely die in welfare. Hence my cradle to the grave comment in a previous post. She's a pill head and he's been an alcoholic since he was a teenager( in his early 30's now). They both have rooked the system into getting SSI. I'm not sure what she gets it for but I do know he got it because he says he cant' read due to a learning disability. He reads just fine on Facebook and his phone when he's texting. Care to know more about them or is that enough for you?

I say again, how do they both get $600 per month for welfare? Welfare only pays per household, not per person.

Anyone with a brain and knows a little will tell you that you're lying when it comes to working 1 day and being eligible for a tax return.

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

See people like you have poisoned the minds of many Americans...

I can speak on the subject because I've worked in the field for the last 9 years...

Welfare (TANF as it's called now) only pays one household a certain amount dependent upon the number of children. For instance, a household of 4 receives a maximum of $303 per month. Does that sound as though they are just living it up?

I'm not talking about TANF They've frauded SSI and get like $600 a month each.

Along with TANF a household can get foodstamps. Notice I said, household. The current rate is $200 per month, per person.

And as I said they get about $500 a month in stamps.

Many poor people have HUD, but the catch with HUD is they have to have access to your EVERYTHING! They come and inspect your housing, monitor your checking and savings accounts. It's really quite invasive. If they find out you have a boy/girlfriend staying with you they kick you off. If they see a new tv or computer, they ask you how you obtained it and where did you get the money.

No they don't..Yes they inspect because I've seen them do it and seen him have to take all his clothes and belongings somewhere for the day so they didn't know he lives there but they don't give a crap about anything else. We've turned them in twice! Both to SSI and to HUD. They simply DO NOT CARE! The guy isn't suppose to be there..HUD knows he's there now as well as the landlord and still nothing is done

Does it sound like poor people on assistance are living it up I ask again? I know I couldn't live off $303 per month even if my mortgage was paid and I got food assistance. I'm accustomed to more freedom. My kids require more than $303 dollars per month!

Once again, they don't live off of that small of an amount...do you need me to type slower so you understand?

No one is getting $1200 per month

Would you care to make a public wager on that? If you do you better pay up when you lose. I take PayPal.

I'm sick of people on the outside looking in, poisoning the minds of American's and making the middle class despise the poor. It's because of lies like this. So what you see a mother on welfare driving a Benz...is it her's or her boyfriends?

Poisoning the minds of American's? I see. So now it's gone from being hypocrites to poisoning minds? You want to know what I'm sick of? People like you thinking the hard work I do just to get taxed to death to pay for people like this is not only okay but right in your mind. Driving a Benz huh? Don't know any moochers that drive a Benz but I do know one that drives an H3 Hummer and another that drives a Denali. Do those count? Want to know what I drive? A 15 year old Sebring convertible with a raggedy ass top. So you can sit on this thread for the rest of your life trying to defend people like these but you know what? It'll never get through to those of us that see it with our own eyes all the time.

Did you also know that welfare isn't just given now? A person has to donate 30-40 hours per week to community service? That's been in affect since Clinton.

Really? Got a source for that because If that's true no one around here does it.

Obama administration removed federal work requirement. He waived the TANF work requirements through a legal device called the section 1115 waiver authority under the Social Security law (42 U.S.C. 1315). Section 1115 states that “the Secretary may waive compliance with any of the requirements” of specified parts of various laws

Obama administration as you say removed the federal work requirement. That doesn't help the welfare recipients one bit because there is still the STATE requirement which is more stringent than the Federal.

He did what government haters ask, left it to the States...

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Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by txinfidel
The irony of this thread is that the author is likely the one who is least prepared and this thread is still going on. Its not rocket science. The welfare state will run out of money or just get cut off thats what it was designed to do, but more importantly it was designed to bankrupt Americans who have earned their wealth and dry up the money to be spent by those who don't prepare....Yes the folks on welfare who buy flat screens and michael jordans and buy nice cars they cant afford and lobsters and steaks with their welfare.... Those are the people who don't prepare.... those are the people who we are preparing to defend ourselves against because we know that they shortsightedness is going to hit them like a freight train and they are the criminal element we are preparing to defend ourselves against.

I have had a few unlucky years and my income is ridiculously shameful but I still manage to get buy and when I have a few bucks to spare I prep. I buy sealed food, ammo, shelter, and whatever items I may be lacking. Because I see the writing on the wall.

And yes OP many of us do train for first aid, survival, weaponry etc... Thats because we prepare....thats because we see the writing on the wall and we've prepared.

This whole conversation is pointless OP. Your time will come soon enough.

But hey, instead of complaining about people who prep, why not make some preps for yourself? Otherwise what are you on here about?

I'll be fine...I'm in line with the wolves. I'm in line with the people who will appreciate all of your prepping as we take it for ourselves.

Some of you just don't get it I suppose. You're delusional and don't go outside. Your callousness and societies has created some MEAN and NASTY results.

You have this delusion that the millions of inner-city thugs are just going to sit on the streets and start crying until they die? You believe those black, white, hispanic poor people are just going to starve over night and you're going to come outside with the zone clear? You don't believe many of them have been in the military? LOL...you really believe they all hold their guns sideways?

All of the middle aged, elderly, handicapped or disabled, loner, hoarder, prepper, people...if you're not part of the pack...you will be eaten by the pack! The only thing stopping it from happening now is government.

What are you going to do with 50 or 100 young men surrounding your home or compound? This isn't television where they will all stand in plain sight so you can have target practice! Though you try and dehumanize them, they are still humans and just as smart or smarter than you.

These poor people are the scavengers of our society. Anyone with sense knows the scavengers are the last to die.

Right.... You keep telling yourself that if thats what makes you feel better. You may be a scavenger so have fun fighting with your own kind over food scraps. Because you won't be taking mine I promise you that. Oh and don't worry about the government. Id like to see you try to act like a wolf when your surrounded by crosshairs.

Keep living the good life, thug.

Originally posted by crazyewok
But to better ones self you need 2 things:

1) Health to work
2) Education fitting to ones talent.

No, you need a damn work ethic. With a work ethic comes pride, which will push you through when the going gets tough and issues like health, education, and talent begins to screw with you. Lots of people have overcome health maladies to become massively successfull. Those who haven't overcome tend to use their malady as a crutch or an excuse, especially in today's climate which encourages excuses by labeling any ailment a "disabillity."

I don't care if you're Tony Romo, Christopher Reeve, Kat Dennings, or Peter Dinkledge... the only real diability is a disability of self. If you believe you can't, then you won't... and I find it insulting and criminal that those who can and will are expected to foot the bill for those who can't and won't.

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I have massive work ethic, even after becoming disabled, yet I am willing to accept that I have my limits.

If you'd like to trade places and have a go you are more than welcome to, though you probably won't have as much time as you thought.

I also have to note that folks like Reeve were successful before they fell ill, so the aftermath was much easier to bear, as it is for me. The insurance I paid for helps, too.

Just let us go gracefully.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6


No, you need a damn work ethic.

Not much good if you are suffering from cancer or some over malady and cant afford the treatment?

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

With a work ethic comes pride, which will push you through when the going gets tough and issues like health, education, and talent begins to screw with you. Lots of people have overcome health maladies to become massively successfull. Those who haven't overcome tend to use their malady as a crutch or an excuse, especially in today's climate which encourages excuses by labeling any ailment a "disabillity."

Yeah blah blah blah blah blah blah AND BLOODY blah.

All well and good but someone needs to help pay them to get treatment so THEY CAN WORK. That my point. Without affordable healthcare they are screwed! Affordable healthcare can help them get the treatment so they CAN WORK!

But I dont expect you hard core right wingers to have the intelligance to understand that point.

I guess you would expect a guy with broken legs and arms to clean toilets with their tounge to raise money for the healthcare!

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
I don't care if you're Tony Romo, Christopher Reeve, Kat Dennings, or Peter Dinkledge... the only real diability is a disability of self. If you believe you can't, then you won't...

Yeah and they all had access to top doctors and after care. Yes 90% of those with disabilty can work as long as they get the healthcare support!!!!

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
and I find it insulting and criminal that those who can and will are expected to foot the bill for those who can't

Well looks like you got to deal with it!

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Originally posted by txinfidel
reply to post by Bone75

 

That's why we need to construct a society that gets rid of money and rewards those who eliminate jobs rather than those who "create" them.

...and thats why you voted for Barack Obama

Okay, since my response was a bit harsh for the mods around here, and since they've become a lot more accepting of political trolling by not removing your post... I will only say that I am by no means a fan of Obama. I see Obama as a crony capitalist disguised as a socialist. If he were a socialist, we would be looking forward to universal healthcare next year instead of planning on how we are going to afford health insurance in the worst economy since the great depression.

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Come on please tell me how the ill and disabled can work without healthcare support?

Cause "Tony Romo, Christopher Reeve, Kat Dennings, or Peter Dinkledge" sure did not get were they are without a team of doctors, Nurses, physiotherapy and other heathcare providers not to mention most likely counselling to help them come to term with there disabilitys and the very expensive medications that keep some of them alive or in a fit state.

Look I dont claim to know exactly how the US healthcare system works but Im guessing those at the very social bottom have a very hard time financing even a tenth of the treatment those you listed get.

And dont say errrr if they get a job they can pay for it. Cause how the hell are they meant to be well enough (or even alive enough) to find work in the first place if they dont that healthcare to start with!

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Listen, I pulled 4 famous individuals with disabilities out of thin air because I'm not about to start bringing people I personally know that have overcome great adversity to make something of their lives onto the internet without their approval. Suffice it to say, I've known some folks who went from the outhouse to the penthouse with a stop chin deep in crap along the way up.

You're grasping for excuses to defend failures. That's socially OK these days, I guess... Hell, the current political and media models eat that garbage up with a spoon, constantly offering a laundry list full of excuses for life's failures to pick and choose from in their quest to exxonerate everyone from personal responsibility. That said, the fact remains that for every person sitting on their ass feeling sorry for themselves seeking sympathy and handouts, there's a guy down the street who was in worse shape and, on his own volition, worked his way out of the predicament and into success.

Again, explain why it is my or any other taxpayer's place to financially support anyone lacking the testicular fortitude to do the same?

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I suppose if they had such a problem with actually having to pay legitimate claims, they did not have to offer the insurance and ask me to pay both voluntary and involuntary premiums.

When an accident happens and a house burns down, I guess if that guy paid insurance he should just stand there and suck it up also.

Sounds like that's a big point of contention you have - with the concept of insurance and the industry that spawned from it?

Otherwise I really don't know where you are coming from.

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“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
― Thomas Sowell

We now live in a political climate where victimhood is encouraged. Fed by lawsuits and a society where it is never your fault, people who do make money and are successful are at the mercy of a hungry government encouraged by an adoring, hungry population that wants their free stuff.

Sweat equity has been replaced with entitlement mentality.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
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Listen, I pulled 4 famous individuals with disabilities out of thin air

Bad examples then.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
because I'm not about to start bringing people I personally know that have overcome great adversity to make something of their lives onto the internet without their approval. Suffice it to say, I've known some folks who went from the outhouse to the penthouse with a stop chin deep in crap along the way up.

I have nothing againt makeing something for ones self. But some people need helping hand to make that push. Those examples you wont say? Well if they involved ill health then I BS if they did it without medical treatment.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
You're grasping for excuses to defend failures.

No if you too lazy to work stuff them. My point is helping those that want too work! Or helping those who litrally cant work.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
personal responsibility.

I hear that word a lot. I see less responsibilty amought the mega rich and ruleing classes. IE no responsibilty taken with the banking collaspe that has cause some countrys to litraly have NO jobs.

Responsibilty is when you get a multi million pound pension when your actions that resulted in millions of jobs dissapering and innocent people ending up going from employed to unemployed.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
That said, the fact remains that for every person sitting on their ass feeling sorry for themselves seeking sympathy and handouts, t

Nope as I said screw those people. Unless they really really are ill.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
here's a guy down the street who was in worse shape and, on his own volition, worked his way out of the predicament and into success.

Well if he was ill then he must have got medical treatment or what he was ill with was very minor.
Like to see someone with schizophrenia, coronary hearth failure or untreated MS or many of the other mountains of chonic mental and physical debilitating illnesses get a job and hold without treatment and medical care........

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Again, explain why it is my or any other taxpayer's place to financially support anyone lacking the testicular fortitude to do the same?

Yeah beacuse someone with serious illnesses and are not getting proper treatment and "asking for help are lacking the testicular fortitude".



Im not defending those who dont want to work. screw them I would reposess all there good and throw then out on the street along side the curropt bankers and politicians.

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Insurance? I'm sorry, I honestly don't know why you're bringing insurance into this thread. I've made no comments about insurance aside from the ACA being added illegally to the IRS' structure in such a fashion as to force tax payers to further subsidize those in the bottom 45% of the ladder.

Many of us grew up learning core concepts like:
"There's no such thing as a free lunch" and
"You can't expect something for nothing."

Now, imagine the insult, in regards to taxes and wealth redistribution, when you realize that it is very true... I cannot get a free lunch (not that I'd want one, mind you.) I cannot realistically expect something for nothing. BUT, come to find out, I'm financing free lunches for others and I'm ensuring that, somewhere along the line, the something they're getting for nothing is getting paid for. It's crap. :shk:

Im not defending those who dont want to work. screw them I would reposess all there good and throw then out on the street along side the curropt bankers and politicians.


Im defending those who either CANT work or want to work but need a little help be it the healthcare needed to make them well enough to work or help finding or creating work in a area where there is NO work.

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...and in that entire string of words you just typed, still not a single attempt to actually answer the question I have been asking over, and over, and over, and damned over in this thread.
Again, explain why it is my or any other taxpayer's place to financially support anyone outside of my own?

I see you pulled the hate train out onto the track, but man it's misplaced here. I'm not a banker, I'm nowhere near independantly wealthy, I didn't have any involvement whatsoever in the 2008 crash. Instead of attempting to straw man me with wild comments against people in no way connected with me, can you maybe offer an actual answer to the question that has sat for 19 pages completely unanswered?

What rationale is there to expecting members of the middle class to foot the bill for anyone outside their own household? How can it possibly be "fair" to push down upon an entire swath of the populace in the name of subsidizing another swath?