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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by crazyewok
Someone has too? Seriously? So again, because I plan, bust my butt, work a job and run a business, give up time with my family, went to school and did the right thing, I must be happy with the govt stealing from me to give to others?
Yeah, the country is going down the crapper. And it is no wonder, as there are people here with your train of thought. This idea that to be a civilized nation, that the govt steals from some to give to others is just mind boggling. gift theft has nothing to do with a civilized culture or society. That just means there are more people receiving the Govt goodies then there are people having it stolen from them.
If I walk over to my rich neighbors house, and steal their car, because my car is crap, I get arrested.
When the Govt steals money from my paycheck because a "poor" person wants it, that is a civilized society.
You and others like you really are mind boggling.
Maybe it is the world is going down the crapper, as this is happening in other countries as well.
Won how the Greeks are doing with that socialism crap?
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by supremecommander
Originally posted by Dominar
This growing trend concerns me... I don't know if it's all the doomsday scenarios we see in movies and television or if it has something to do with the zombie craze that has been raging for several years now, but more and more people seem to WANT a dog eat dog, chaotic way of life.
I'm sure most of them are keyboard warriors, but I bet a few people out there would really like such a way of life. Some people would be ruthless I'm sure.
The ones that yearn for this clearly have no idea as to what true suffering is, nor will they keep a level head when the wilding begins.
I fear the days that are coming.
I don't think you really understand what's coming. Look to Greece to see the process. They overspent on socialism and govt programs and when they couldn't pay up. the IMF and the European Union came and said we will bail you out, but you have to crack down on people to make them pay tax. So they devise legislation that forces people to pay the tax bill and those who cannot will be jailed.
This is what is really happening.
So you might want to be careful what you wish for, because some day the whole tax burden may fall on you and you won't be able to afford it.
Originally posted by txinfidel
The irony of this thread is that the author is likely the one who is least prepared and this thread is still going on. Its not rocket science. The welfare state will run out of money or just get cut off thats what it was designed to do, but more importantly it was designed to bankrupt Americans who have earned their wealth and dry up the money to be spent by those who don't prepare....Yes the folks on welfare who buy flat screens and michael jordans and buy nice cars they cant afford and lobsters and steaks with their welfare.... Those are the people who don't prepare.... those are the people who we are preparing to defend ourselves against because we know that they shortsightedness is going to hit them like a freight train and they are the criminal element we are preparing to defend ourselves against.
I have had a few unlucky years and my income is ridiculously shameful but I still manage to get buy and when I have a few bucks to spare I prep. I buy sealed food, ammo, shelter, and whatever items I may be lacking. Because I see the writing on the wall.
And yes OP many of us do train for first aid, survival, weaponry etc... Thats because we prepare....thats because we see the writing on the wall and we've prepared.
This whole conversation is pointless OP. Your time will come soon enough.
But hey, instead of complaining about people who prep, why not make some preps for yourself? Otherwise what are you on here about?
Originally posted by crazyewok
So if you are poor and born with nothing though?
Originally posted by crazyewok
Its ok then when because they cant afford education or medical care they go out and sell drugs, mug people, Raid homes? More poverty= More Crime and a simple gun wont protect you.
Originally posted by crazyewok
Greece did not sink because of free education, pensions and healthcare it sunk because of curruption.
Originally posted by crazyewok
You seem to have a very odd backward view of the outside world. Take the UK we could afford our education, healthcare programs until the bankers twated everything up and we were stupid enough to bail them out so again diffrent problem. It was protecting the greedy people at the top and stopping them from every haveing to take responsibility that has crippled most of the EU.
Originally posted by crazyewok
Infact thats were most of the worlds issue lie. The top not takeing responsibility. Take you and me, if our compnays fails its our responsibility. If it goes bankrupt it will be our assets siezed, if we dodge taxes our arses get thrown in jail and again our assets seized. Now look at these big CEO they can run there buisnesses into the ground and dodge taxes all they want what happens? at worse they get fired with a multi million $ retirment plan! Should not they suffer the same fate as us little people? Should not there buisness and personal assets be seized like ours if we go bang?
Originally posted by crazyewok
As for your taxes no I dont think 30% of your money should be taken. It should be 10% with the rest of the money comeing from other sources.
Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by DZAG Wright
When you depend on someone else, you lose your freedoms.
If we have a society where people aren't expected to handle things themselves then we will live in a society without freedoms. Instead we'll be robots sanctioned by our country's experts.
Remain sitting and feel tyranny, get up (and act) and feel freedom.
If you don't do things yourself, others will do it for you. You may not like what they do.edit on 29-5-2013 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by DZAG Wright
When you depend on someone else, you lose your freedoms.
If we have a society where people aren't expected to handle things themselves then we will live in a society without freedoms. Instead we'll be robots sanctioned by our country's experts.
Remain sitting and feel tyranny, get up (and act) and feel freedom.
If you don't do things yourself, others will do it for you. You may not like what they do.edit on 29-5-2013 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)
We all depend on each other...that's the elephant in the room no one wants to admit.
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Nope, guess me just to dumb...Duhhhhhhhh
No, our strong people are the reason why, not the Government.
Our strong people who formed a strong government, yes?
Govt did not get me a job.
Without our government promoting and protecting a strong economy there would BE no job. At least not the type you can raise your family and prosper with.
Govt did not teach me to work hard.
Govt did not provide me the ability to never give up.
Govt did not give me the ability to learn.
Govt did not provide me with my knowledge.
Did you provide your own schooling, let us know on the internet how you were home schooled
Govt did not give me the ability to work.
Govt does not get me up at 5am to work a job and run my own company.
Govt does not provide me with what I have
I did/do all those things.
Not Govt.
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Oh good hell. The whole Progressive argument that that world would be Madmax style if it weren't for your beloved Govt here to protect us all.
Of course it would be Mad Max if not for government. That's pretty obvious, lets see, do we have any examples of no government in this world....Somalia?
People and business operated before the Fed Govt came along and dipped its hands into our paychecks. You are a fool to believe that Govt is here to help us. It isn't. Just ask those of Waco, Ruby Ridge, the American Citizens killed by drone attack and so on.
Yeah we had primitive commerce, nothing as sophisticated as this world needs. I ask you, how would you trade with China or Britian?
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
And why did the likes of Al Capone rise??? Geez, maybe because of the beloved Fed Govt outlawing alcohol???
Yeah, how is that war on drugs going?? Govt intervention and the drug trade skyrockets.
I didn't ask why they rose, I asked why did it take Federals to take them down?
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
You are really trying to equate a large Fed Govt to winning a world war??? Clueless.
No one has stated to get rid of Govt. It needs to be retracted to mirror how it was designed. Limited and small.
You want unlimited and large.
Back-tracking now?
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
I don't fear life and the "what-ifs" that come along with it. That is the difference. I will succeed either way. You not only want, but enable others to rely on Govt.
We all rely on government, even those of us who pretend we don't.
Originally posted by macman
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Why are the rich responsible for the poor? Again, more Progressivism.
Originally posted by macman
I say a flat tax. ALL & EVERYONE pays 10%. No write offs, no deductions.
If one has to pay, then we all have to pay.
Originally posted by crazyewok
For those who keep saying the poor don't take responsibility blah blah and in some cases they are right there are those that abuse the system.
BUT
surely those big CEO, Bankers and fat cat politicians are not taking responsibility either right? Half of them never earned there money and were just born into it. The rest? well I don't see all those bankers and traders who fudged up the world economy take any responsibility? I mean if any of us ordinary people screw up and get fired that's it. They screw up in a way that destroys millions of lifes and what? A big bonus or at worse early retirement on a multi million £ pension? Yeah that's responsibility all right.......
Its those in the middle that suffer .No I think the government should take as much from ordinary working people who are taking responsibility. But these super rich who screw up lifes with little thought or who just haven't earned there money because they were born into it? well they should be paying.
Don't get me wrong I don't hate rich people. Im mostly upper middle class and I have friends in the rich category but they run honest businesses and deserve what they get and better yet there kids are getting nothing they are haveing to work through there nose and daddy is not giveing them a free ride. To me thats how it is meant to be.
edit on 30-5-2013 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by crazyewok
Homeschool appears to be working well with the beezzer family.
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by crazyewok
So if you are poor and born with nothing though?
That is such a cowardly cop-out There are hundreds of people that are wealthy and successful that grew up poor. See, I believe in people, you don't .
Originally posted by supremecommander
It's the typical "excuse the elite for everything, blame all of your problems on the poor" schtick. Very tired of seeing the poor blamed for society's ills when I'm watching our country, which is a corporate plutocracy, be destroyed by the same parasitic bastards that the ones who hate the poor worship.
Originally posted by supremecommander
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Bollocks. The chances of someone growing up dirt poor becoming rich and wealthy are slim to none. Where are you pulling this stuff from? clearly not from reality.
And I agree with you on the flat tax. I just don't mind contributing my fair share to the overall good of this society that I have benefited from. It's hard for selfish people to understand that.
Originally posted by crazyewok
If the next Einstein is born in the ghetto though feces he has to wash dishs at mcdonalds for the rest of his life while a retarded rich kid like Gearge Bush gets what could have been his place at harvard. That sound like a good socity?
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Our strong people who formed a strong government, yes?
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Without our government promoting and protecting a strong economy there would BE no job. At least not the type you can raise your family and prosper with.
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Did you provide your own schooling, let us know on the internet how you were home schooled
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Of course it would be Mad Max if not for government. That's pretty obvious, lets see, do we have any examples of no government in this world....Somalia?
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Yeah we had primitive commerce, nothing as sophisticated as this world needs. I ask you, how would you trade with China or Britian?
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
I didn't ask why they rose, I asked why did it take Federals to take them down?
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Back-tracking now?
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
We all rely on government, even those of us who pretend we don't.
Originally posted by crazyewok
Im not saying the rich are responsible for the poor. What Im saying is they dont seem to be responsible at all! And if Mr Banker delibratly screws up and thousands lose there jobs then Mr Banker is then responsible as he caused that cock up not the people under him!
Originally posted by crazyewok
Of cause not all rich are greedy fckwits that screw up other peoples lives and those should be left alone.
Originally posted by crazyewok
I sort of agree. Tax for you me and any law abiding resposible person rich or poor should be low.
Originally posted by crazyewok
How I would work welfare is like student loans in the UK.
Originally posted by crazyewok
Ok you want money to cover you food. hosueing and Healthcare ok fine. But you get it in a loan. It wont be a for profit loan and intrest will go up only with normal inflation. You only have to pay it back once you are earning over so much money (like a tax) and it does not affect credit rateings ect.
Originally posted by crazyewok
Anyone on this welfare is moniteerd if anyone is shown trying to cheat the system IE not takeing work when it there gets all there asset taken to repay and they still have to pay any outstanding balance.
Originally posted by crazyewok
Anyone who phyicaly cant work are the only ones who get free support.
Originally posted by crazyewok
Any Banker trader or politican who losses large amounts of money or cause a buisness to go under or who is suspected of curruption has to face a tribunal if found guilt of willfull neglagance or illegal dealing they get all there assets confiscated.
Originally posted by crazyewok
Inheritance tax over $1 million dollers. why should some kid who never does a day work get all mommy or daddys money? Break up some of these currupt family dynastys.
Originally posted by crazyewok
As for law abiding hard working indiviuals rich or poor they pay minimal tax.
Thats how I would work it as everyone wins as long as they work and dont break the law.