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How many of you are really prepared for the Dog Eat Dog society you relish and preach on this site?

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posted on May, 30 2013 @ 03:54 AM
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Damn straight brother. I stopped frequenting this site a long time ago for this reason. This is, at times, one of the most (unintentionally) anti-human websites I've come across on the Western internet. This is not what I represent, it's not what I believe in, and it's not what I stand for. I only hang around this site now so that I might still have an input on these issues to represent my side of the picture, no matter how futile that might be.

I do what I do and say what I say because I believe in and love humanity; everyone. Drug addicts, thieves, murderers, religious nuts, punks, hippies... the good the bad and the ugly. I see and have personally witnessed their true & divine potential, and I see how powerfully they've been manipulated to be blind over the centuries.

No one wants to be a drug addict. No one wants to be a prick. No one wants to be angry and hateful and prejudiced. Sometimes they make mistakes, and it's their right to do so. Sometimes they succumb to these weak expressions of illusory hubris such as discrimination because they're subconsciously (or consciously) too frightened to face the fact that they're no more special or less special than anyone or anything else in the Universe. And therein the chaos of beating up one's own family to feel better about oneself begins. And just like in our homes: beating up family does very little to bring about positive vibrations of any kind. So is it any wonder why our world is so messed up?

These frightened people willingly enter the epic interracial, international & interspiritual Colosseum rat-race game that's been set up for us by those who would rather we be easily manipulable (as opposed to infinite free-thinkers) and start fighting amongst each other to distract themselves from feeling as insignificant as they really are. Every small victory over their fellow brothers & sisters feels like a real victory, be it of verbal or physical violence... but it's not! It's as victorious as friendly-fire on the battlefield. That is to say: not a victory at all! It's a totally tragic & shameful error, made in fear & confusion.

What these people you speak of don't realize, is that through their insignificance and unconditional equality with others, lies their significance! For everything exists so that we might share this experience together. You are not more important than me. I am not more important than you. We exist. That's all there is, and we're equals insomuch. Anything that goes against this is a LIE, and ATS is full of liars... which is funny, considering its motto - "deny ignorance".

But.. "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."

Indeed. I'm not religious myself, but I've always respected this quote from Jesus (or whoever/whatever invented it). It's the ultimate expression of humanism. A total denial of our cold, left-brain logic; and a total embrace of our warm, right-brain creative love. That's the wild card humans have to play. When we break out of the prison of that cold left-brain's soulless fog and we began seeing the whole picture again from that widened perspective like we were always intended to, anything becomes possible. Literally. This applies to the hatemongers of ATS too, whether we like it or not. And so.. I remain. So that I might spread the 'light', along with you & the others like us? Who knows. Maybe I'm just stupid. In any case, I fear this place is getting filthier by the day. Not unlike our real world, I suppose


But life goes on whether we like it or not. So we might as well like it, right? People will come around eventually. They have to. It doesn't make any sense for them not to. And the Universe is pure sense:

1 + 1 = 2. Gravity pulls things towards it. Water must be wet. All humans must eventually learn to cooperate & live in peace, or they'll destroy themselves. These are facts of existence, and no matter how powerful we think our minds to be: we are subject to these laws, just like water and math.

So we must ask ourselves, why are we seemingly the only thing in creation that goes against its natural programming? And where does it end?




The answer is: with you. There is no one else who can make the change.




posted on May, 30 2013 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by macman
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Someone has too? Seriously? So again, because I plan, bust my butt, work a job and run a business, give up time with my family, went to school and did the right thing, I must be happy with the govt stealing from me to give to others?

Yeah, the country is going down the crapper. And it is no wonder, as there are people here with your train of thought. This idea that to be a civilized nation, that the govt steals from some to give to others is just mind boggling. gift theft has nothing to do with a civilized culture or society. That just means there are more people receiving the Govt goodies then there are people having it stolen from them.

If I walk over to my rich neighbors house, and steal their car, because my car is crap, I get arrested.
When the Govt steals money from my paycheck because a "poor" person wants it, that is a civilized society.
You and others like you really are mind boggling.

Maybe it is the world is going down the crapper, as this is happening in other countries as well.
Won how the Greeks are doing with that socialism crap?



So if you are poor and born with nothing though?


Its ok then when because they cant afford education or medical care they go out and sell drugs, mug people, Raid homes? More poverty= More Crime and a simple gun wont protect you.


Greece did not sink because of free education, pensions and healthcare it sunk because of curruption. You seem to have a very odd backward view of the outside world. Take the UK we could afford our education, healthcare programs until the bankers twated everything up and we were stupid enough to bail them out so again diffrent problem. It was protecting the greedy people at the top and stopping them from every haveing to take responsibility that has crippled most of the EU.

Infact thats were most of the worlds issue lie. The top not takeing responsibility. Take you and me, if our compnays fails its our responsibility. If it goes bankrupt it will be our assets siezed, if we dodge taxes our arses get thrown in jail and again our assets seized. Now look at these big CEO they can run there buisnesses into the ground and dodge taxes all they want what happens? at worse they get fired with a multi million $ retirment plan! Should not they suffer the same fate as us little people? Should not there buisness and personal assets be seized like ours if we go bang?

As for your taxes no I dont think 30% of your money should be taken. It should be 10% with the rest of the money comeing from other sources.
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posted on May, 30 2013 @ 05:12 AM
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Very ready if it comes, but striving to prevent it. BTW, you don't have to be young to be ready for such a society, also, I am disabled, but that does not prevent me from being a survivor. I simply adapt to overcome what ever I need to.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 05:19 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by supremecommander

Originally posted by Dominar
This growing trend concerns me... I don't know if it's all the doomsday scenarios we see in movies and television or if it has something to do with the zombie craze that has been raging for several years now, but more and more people seem to WANT a dog eat dog, chaotic way of life.

I'm sure most of them are keyboard warriors, but I bet a few people out there would really like such a way of life. Some people would be ruthless I'm sure.


The ones that yearn for this clearly have no idea as to what true suffering is, nor will they keep a level head when the wilding begins.

I fear the days that are coming.


I don't think you really understand what's coming. Look to Greece to see the process. They overspent on socialism and govt programs and when they couldn't pay up. the IMF and the European Union came and said we will bail you out, but you have to crack down on people to make them pay tax. So they devise legislation that forces people to pay the tax bill and those who cannot will be jailed.
This is what is really happening.
So you might want to be careful what you wish for, because some day the whole tax burden may fall on you and you won't be able to afford it.


"You"? Don't you mean, "we"?

And the day that happens in the US, will be when hell breaks loose. You seem to underestimate what is brewing under the surface here.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by txinfidel
The irony of this thread is that the author is likely the one who is least prepared and this thread is still going on. Its not rocket science. The welfare state will run out of money or just get cut off thats what it was designed to do, but more importantly it was designed to bankrupt Americans who have earned their wealth and dry up the money to be spent by those who don't prepare....Yes the folks on welfare who buy flat screens and michael jordans and buy nice cars they cant afford and lobsters and steaks with their welfare.... Those are the people who don't prepare.... those are the people who we are preparing to defend ourselves against because we know that they shortsightedness is going to hit them like a freight train and they are the criminal element we are preparing to defend ourselves against.

I have had a few unlucky years and my income is ridiculously shameful but I still manage to get buy and when I have a few bucks to spare I prep. I buy sealed food, ammo, shelter, and whatever items I may be lacking. Because I see the writing on the wall.

And yes OP many of us do train for first aid, survival, weaponry etc... Thats because we prepare....thats because we see the writing on the wall and we've prepared.

This whole conversation is pointless OP. Your time will come soon enough.

But hey, instead of complaining about people who prep, why not make some preps for yourself? Otherwise what are you on here about?


I want to see some evidence of these people on welfare who walk around in jordans, have flat screens, expensive cars, and lobster dinners when the monthly payments depending on family size will not cover any of that.

I sense a lot of conjecture, and very little factual evidence from the folks that are spewing this stuff.

And if that comment about "jordans" was about a specific ethnic group in the US, you may want to check the percentages about who has been receiving welfare in this country:

www.statisticbrain.com...
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posted on May, 30 2013 @ 06:18 AM
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For those who keep saying the poor don't take responsibility blah blah and in some cases they are right there are those that abuse the system.

BUT

surely those big CEO, Bankers and fat cat politicians are not taking responsibility either right? Half of them never earned there money and were just born into it. The rest? well I don't see all those bankers and traders who fudged up the world economy take any responsibility? I mean if any of us ordinary people screw up and get fired that's it. They screw up in a way that destroys millions of lifes and what? A big bonus or at worse early retirement on a multi million £ pension? Yeah that's responsibility all right.......

Its those in the middle that suffer .No I think the government should take as much from ordinary working people who are taking responsibility. But these super rich who screw up lifes with little thought or who just haven't earned there money because they were born into it? well they should be paying.

Don't get me wrong I don't hate rich people. Im mostly upper middle class and I have friends in the rich category but they run honest businesses and deserve what they get and better yet there kids are getting nothing
they are haveing to work through there nose and daddy is not giveing them a free ride. To me thats how it is meant to be.


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posted on May, 30 2013 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by crazyewok
So if you are poor and born with nothing though?

That is such a cowardly cop-out There are hundreds of people that are wealthy and successful that grew up poor. See, I believe in people, you don't .


Originally posted by crazyewok
Its ok then when because they cant afford education or medical care they go out and sell drugs, mug people, Raid homes? More poverty= More Crime and a simple gun wont protect you.

Oh, so the only thing people can do if poor, is turn to crime? More Progressive BS.


Originally posted by crazyewok
Greece did not sink because of free education, pensions and healthcare it sunk because of curruption.

Yes, corruption within the Govt providing all that crap.



Originally posted by crazyewok
You seem to have a very odd backward view of the outside world. Take the UK we could afford our education, healthcare programs until the bankers twated everything up and we were stupid enough to bail them out so again diffrent problem. It was protecting the greedy people at the top and stopping them from every haveing to take responsibility that has crippled most of the EU.

Hey, by all means, if you like the UK model, then keep it.
Govt is corrupt from the get go. Any entity that can steal from some to give to others is crap from the start.



Originally posted by crazyewok
Infact thats were most of the worlds issue lie. The top not takeing responsibility. Take you and me, if our compnays fails its our responsibility. If it goes bankrupt it will be our assets siezed, if we dodge taxes our arses get thrown in jail and again our assets seized. Now look at these big CEO they can run there buisnesses into the ground and dodge taxes all they want what happens? at worse they get fired with a multi million $ retirment plan! Should not they suffer the same fate as us little people? Should not there buisness and personal assets be seized like ours if we go bang?

Why are the rich responsible for the poor? Again, more Progressivism.
No matter how you turn it, it is theft for anyone else, except the Govt.



Originally posted by crazyewok
As for your taxes no I dont think 30% of your money should be taken. It should be 10% with the rest of the money comeing from other sources.

I say a flat tax. ALL & EVERYONE pays 10%. No write offs, no deductions.
If one has to pay, then we all have to pay.

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posted on May, 30 2013 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by jonnywhite
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When you depend on someone else, you lose your freedoms.

If we have a society where people aren't expected to handle things themselves then we will live in a society without freedoms. Instead we'll be robots sanctioned by our country's experts.

Remain sitting and feel tyranny, get up (and act) and feel freedom.

If you don't do things yourself, others will do it for you. You may not like what they do.
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We all depend on each other...that's the elephant in the room no one wants to admit.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by jonnywhite
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When you depend on someone else, you lose your freedoms.

If we have a society where people aren't expected to handle things themselves then we will live in a society without freedoms. Instead we'll be robots sanctioned by our country's experts.

Remain sitting and feel tyranny, get up (and act) and feel freedom.

If you don't do things yourself, others will do it for you. You may not like what they do.
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We all depend on each other...that's the elephant in the room no one wants to admit.


"Depending on each other" is a tad bit different than one totally depending on others. My neighbors and I help each other out: we laon ech other things, we feed each other if someone is having a hard time, one guy with a snowplow might do all off the driveways on the street one winter and the other guy with the riding lawnmower will mow his lawn in the summer. This is a mutal giving and taking with everybody pitching in because that is what neighbors do.

This is radically different from someone doing nothing and expecting everyone else to take care of him and empowering a third party (government) to force it.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Nope, guess me just to dumb...Duhhhhhhhh
No, our strong people are the reason why, not the Government.

Our strong people who formed a strong government, yes?

Govt did not get me a job.

Without our government promoting and protecting a strong economy there would BE no job. At least not the type you can raise your family and prosper with.

Govt did not teach me to work hard.
Govt did not provide me the ability to never give up.
Govt did not give me the ability to learn.
Govt did not provide me with my knowledge.

Did you provide your own schooling, let us know on the internet how you were home schooled

Govt did not give me the ability to work.
Govt does not get me up at 5am to work a job and run my own company.
Govt does not provide me with what I have
I did/do all those things.
Not Govt.


Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Oh good hell. The whole Progressive argument that that world would be Madmax style if it weren't for your beloved Govt here to protect us all.

Of course it would be Mad Max if not for government. That's pretty obvious, lets see, do we have any examples of no government in this world....Somalia?

People and business operated before the Fed Govt came along and dipped its hands into our paychecks. You are a fool to believe that Govt is here to help us. It isn't. Just ask those of Waco, Ruby Ridge, the American Citizens killed by drone attack and so on.

Yeah we had primitive commerce, nothing as sophisticated as this world needs. I ask you, how would you trade with China or Britian?



Originally posted by DZAG Wright

And why did the likes of Al Capone rise??? Geez, maybe because of the beloved Fed Govt outlawing alcohol???
Yeah, how is that war on drugs going?? Govt intervention and the drug trade skyrockets.

I didn't ask why they rose, I asked why did it take Federals to take them down?



Originally posted by DZAG Wright

You are really trying to equate a large Fed Govt to winning a world war??? Clueless.
No one has stated to get rid of Govt. It needs to be retracted to mirror how it was designed. Limited and small.
You want unlimited and large.

Back-tracking now?




Originally posted by DZAG Wright
I don't fear life and the "what-ifs" that come along with it. That is the difference. I will succeed either way. You not only want, but enable others to rely on Govt.

We all rely on government, even those of us who pretend we don't.




posted on May, 30 2013 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by macman
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Why are the rich responsible for the poor? Again, more Progressivism.

Im not saying the rich are responsible for the poor. What Im saying is they dont seem to be responsible at all! And if Mr Banker delibratly screws up and thousands lose there jobs then Mr Banker is then responsible as he caused that cock up not the people under him!

Of cause not all rich are greedy fckwits that screw up other peoples lives and those should be left alone.


Originally posted by macman
I say a flat tax. ALL & EVERYONE pays 10%. No write offs, no deductions.
If one has to pay, then we all have to pay.


I sort of agree. Tax for you me and any law abiding resposible person rich or poor should be low.

How I would work welfare is like student loans in the UK.

Ok you want money to cover you food. hosueing and Healthcare ok fine. But you get it in a loan. It wont be a for profit loan and intrest will go up only with normal inflation. You only have to pay it back once you are earning over so much money (like a tax) and it does not affect credit rateings ect.

Anyone on this welfare is moniteerd if anyone is shown trying to cheat the system IE not takeing work when it there gets all there asset taken to repay and they still have to pay any outstanding balance.

Anyone who phyicaly cant work are the only ones who get free support.

Any Banker trader or politican who losses large amounts of money or cause a buisness to go under or who is suspected of curruption has to face a tribunal if found guilt of willfull neglagance or illegal dealing they get all there assets confiscated.

Inheritance tax over $1 million dollers. why should some kid who never does a day work get all mommy or daddys money? Break up some of these currupt family dynastys.

As for law abiding hard working indiviuals rich or poor they pay minimal tax.

Thats how I would work it as everyone wins as long as they work and dont break the law.




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posted on May, 30 2013 @ 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by crazyewok
For those who keep saying the poor don't take responsibility blah blah and in some cases they are right there are those that abuse the system.

BUT

surely those big CEO, Bankers and fat cat politicians are not taking responsibility either right? Half of them never earned there money and were just born into it. The rest? well I don't see all those bankers and traders who fudged up the world economy take any responsibility? I mean if any of us ordinary people screw up and get fired that's it. They screw up in a way that destroys millions of lifes and what? A big bonus or at worse early retirement on a multi million £ pension? Yeah that's responsibility all right.......

Its those in the middle that suffer .No I think the government should take as much from ordinary working people who are taking responsibility. But these super rich who screw up lifes with little thought or who just haven't earned there money because they were born into it? well they should be paying.

Don't get me wrong I don't hate rich people. Im mostly upper middle class and I have friends in the rich category but they run honest businesses and deserve what they get and better yet there kids are getting nothing
they are haveing to work through there nose and daddy is not giveing them a free ride. To me thats how it is meant to be.


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It's the typical "excuse the elite for everything, blame all of your problems on the poor" schtick. Very tired of seeing the poor blamed for society's ills when I'm watching our country, which is a corporate plutocracy, be destroyed by the same parasitic bastards that the ones who hate the poor worship.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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Homeschool appears to be working well with the beezzer family.




Are you qualified to homeschool your family in a profession that will enable them to prosper in the 21st century?



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by crazyewok
So if you are poor and born with nothing though?

That is such a cowardly cop-out There are hundreds of people that are wealthy and successful that grew up poor. See, I believe in people, you don't .



Bollocks. The chances of someone growing up dirt poor becoming rich and wealthy are slim to none. Where are you pulling this stuff from?
clearly not from reality.

And I agree with you on the flat tax. I just don't mind contributing my fair share to the overall good of this society that I have benefited from. It's hard for selfish people to understand that.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by supremecommander


It's the typical "excuse the elite for everything, blame all of your problems on the poor" schtick. Very tired of seeing the poor blamed for society's ills when I'm watching our country, which is a corporate plutocracy, be destroyed by the same parasitic bastards that the ones who hate the poor worship.



A lot of the extrime right wingers preach responsiblity but that responsiblity only seems to apply to the poor.

If the poor are bad at there job they get fired and lose everything.

If the rich are bad at there job (which normaly affects all those under them) they get early retirement and a multi million doller pension somtimes even if what they have done is flat out criminal.......

Yeah so much for responsibility.....

Guess one rule for some and another for everyone else!
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posted on May, 30 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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The enablers of our plutocracy cannot see five feet from their noses because they're too busy jamming it up the rears of their god like CEOs and bankster thieves.

The same thieves that control the federal government that they hate. They look the other way when they rape and pillage this country's populace. But some welfare queen buys a pack of cigarettes while on food stamps, oh christ, it's bloody murder.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by supremecommander
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Bollocks. The chances of someone growing up dirt poor becoming rich and wealthy are slim to none. Where are you pulling this stuff from?
clearly not from reality.

And I agree with you on the flat tax. I just don't mind contributing my fair share to the overall good of this society that I have benefited from. It's hard for selfish people to understand that.


Exactly! Its very very few people who make that leap without some sort of help with education.

Would you really want to return to the era were only the upper classes could be lawyers, Doctors, Vets and scientists? why we are at it why not have officers buy there commsions again!

If the next Einstein is born in the ghetto tough feces he has to wash dishs at mcdonalds for the rest of his life or maybe if he is lucky het to run a mcdonalds while a retarded rich kid like George W Bush gets what could have been his place at harvard. That sound like a good socity?
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posted on May, 30 2013 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by crazyewok

If the next Einstein is born in the ghetto though feces he has to wash dishs at mcdonalds for the rest of his life while a retarded rich kid like Gearge Bush gets what could have been his place at harvard. That sound like a good socity?


To the misguided folks who want a return to the wild wild west, George Bush 'earned' everything.

Had Bush grown up as a dirt poor peasant in some ghetto, he would not have been anything special. Hell, he probably would have ended up a lot more stupider.

And please people...do not call me a progressive. I am far from some liberal. I just don't like to see my fellow countrymen regarded as subhumans because they are poor.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Our strong people who formed a strong government, yes?


Yeah, because I really see people in Govt doing the right thing, not targeting groups via the IRS, not using drones to kill American citizens, not having the DOJ be investigated by the DOJ, not lying to us about foreign attacks and so on and so on......Yeah, real strong and moral.


Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Without our government promoting and protecting a strong economy there would BE no job. At least not the type you can raise your family and prosper with.


My God you truly think you can't live with Govt. You are lost, but what is more sad, is that you are not only addicted to the Govt, but you think Govt will protect you and has your best interest in mind.
History shows that you are mistaken and either naive or willfully ignorant.



Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Did you provide your own schooling, let us know on the internet how you were home schooled


I went to a mix of Private school, home schooling and some public schooling. What is your point?
When I went through school, there was still some local control of course curriculum. Now, at the behest of your Beloved Govt, it is becoming more and more centralized, while kids become dumber and are better "test takers" because of it. Not to mention the crap that Common Core is, which is pushed by the Govt. SO........



Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Of course it would be Mad Max if not for government. That's pretty obvious, lets see, do we have any examples of no government in this world....Somalia?


So, it was all Madmax before all of the crap social programs were installed? Or just after the Constitution was formed??
I will give you props, you are sticking to this Progressive Govt crap. Good on you I guess.



Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Yeah we had primitive commerce, nothing as sophisticated as this world needs. I ask you, how would you trade with China or Britian?


Another SO??? I guess without the Progressive Govt crap, it can't happen. Man, you really have bought into this crap, huh?


Originally posted by DZAG Wright

I didn't ask why they rose, I asked why did it take Federals to take them down?


Nothing like the Govt creating a problem, and then having to create another problem to try to fix the first problem.



Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Back-tracking now?


I have yet to ever say I want no Govt. Trying to pitch lies as truth now????
Limited Govt. That is all.



Originally posted by DZAG Wright

We all rely on government, even those of us who pretend we don't.


Oh, you meant to say "Forced dependency". I am forced to pay into social programs. I am forced to rely on Govt for things that are the responsibility of the individual.



posted on May, 30 2013 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by crazyewok

Im not saying the rich are responsible for the poor. What Im saying is they dont seem to be responsible at all! And if Mr Banker delibratly screws up and thousands lose there jobs then Mr Banker is then responsible as he caused that cock up not the people under him!

Yeah you kind of did. You stated that they aren't doing it. Better go check what you stated.
I will agree that companies are insulated from the law, because they have buddied up with the Govt. Both are corrupt.


Originally posted by crazyewok
Of cause not all rich are greedy fckwits that screw up other peoples lives and those should be left alone.

So, to then blanket statement that the "rich" need to do more is not accurate.
How about going by each incident and each example.


Originally posted by crazyewok

I sort of agree. Tax for you me and any law abiding resposible person rich or poor should be low.

No, you are putting limitations on it.
10% flat for everyone.


Originally posted by crazyewok
How I would work welfare is like student loans in the UK.

Can't answer for the UK. Here? Maybe college isn't the course then. There are thousands of people, from poor areas, that go to college without loans. it can be done. People have just gotten lazy and has become addicted to the Govt giving them stuff.

Originally posted by crazyewok
Ok you want money to cover you food. hosueing and Healthcare ok fine. But you get it in a loan. It wont be a for profit loan and intrest will go up only with normal inflation. You only have to pay it back once you are earning over so much money (like a tax) and it does not affect credit rateings ect.

Loans should not be backed by the Govt, nor approved by nor funded by nor run by.


Originally posted by crazyewok
Anyone on this welfare is moniteerd if anyone is shown trying to cheat the system IE not takeing work when it there gets all there asset taken to repay and they still have to pay any outstanding balance.

Welfare for most is a scam. I agree that a social net needs to be in place for people that don't have the physical ability to provide for themselves. Not for people that just can't find work, or what ever reason.
For work related items, 6 months should be all that there is. Otherwise, it is just stealing from those with a job to give to those that don't have one.


Originally posted by crazyewok
Anyone who phyicaly cant work are the only ones who get free support.

Nothing is free.
Something still needs to be done. There are many groups that will employee the mentally handicap or blind, and provide them with a wage or what have you.


Originally posted by crazyewok
Any Banker trader or politican who losses large amounts of money or cause a buisness to go under or who is suspected of curruption has to face a tribunal if found guilt of willfull neglagance or illegal dealing they get all there assets confiscated.

I agree. Now days, people in Govt aren't held accountable for their actions. It is sickening.


Originally posted by crazyewok
Inheritance tax over $1 million dollers. why should some kid who never does a day work get all mommy or daddys money? Break up some of these currupt family dynastys.

No, abousulty not. It is no one else's money except the families. That money was already taxed, to tax it again is double theft. Who cares if they live off their parents money.


Originally posted by crazyewok
As for law abiding hard working indiviuals rich or poor they pay minimal tax.

Thats how I would work it as everyone wins as long as they work and dont break the law.

No, rich, poor, middle, all should pay 10%.



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