Simple question re: homosexuality

reply to post by BO XIAN


Increasingly along such parade routes there were skirmishes. Some of the HGKs threw pamphlets at some of the marchers. Others shielded their children's eyes and rushed away from the parade route. Some of the dual male parade marchers blew kisses at the male HGKs. Some of the dual women parade marchers lovingly threw their boa's around the necks of some of the protesting women HGK's.

It didn't help. The HGKs fled the scene all the faster and in greater numbers.

And new laws appeared. It became unlawful to say anything negative about the new definitions of Covenant.

Then it became unlawful to say anything negative about any of the new types of couplers.

Then it became unlawful to treat the new types of couplers any differently than one treated a HGK.

Then it became unlawful to advertise or write or speak publicly in behalf of the old Covenant memes, themes, values, norms, goals.

Then it became unlawful to teach your own children that the old Covenants were more supportive of Warm and Fuzzy Stability and Civility than the new "Covenants."

Then the 5-15% remaining HGKs were seen to be slowly disappearing from the culture. Some thought they were just dying off--serves em right. Some thought they were transporting to another planet--yea for that. Good riddance. But there were carefully cautiously shared rumors that some were helped from this life with a special cocktail of Soylent Green.

All in all, the youth were gleeful. Never before had they ever heard of a society with such a smorgasbord of options to choose from. Whatever tickled one's fancy or other places could be covered in a Covenant. Nevermind that Covenant began to lose it's social structural support and meaning. Nevermind that Covenant gradually lost all hint of having anything to do with a lasting commitment of faithfulness and stability. Nevermind that Covenant came eventually to mean more or less the opposite--If it Feels Good--Do it Quick--and Often to as many Folks, Animals and Objects--who knows that the marrow brings. Party On is the theme.

Many celebrated the NEW WORLD COVENANTS with gay abandon.

Others in dark secluded corners mourned the death of a civilization and the rise of the Darth-Lord to supremacy in the culture. They knew their days were numbered. They knew they'd eventually be hunted down and sacrificed on the Altar of Expediency and Popular Trashing of the Old. They realized they'd be released to the Eternal Covenant Land Above . . . but still they mourned at what they'd be leaving behind.

They knew the death of the Warm and Fuzzy Stability and Civility was pervasive. They knew there would be no going back very soon. They knew that increasingly chaos and suffering would reign as reveling became the major past time. And they mourned.

But the mourning was in stark contrast to the PARTY ON "music" and revelry.

And certainly the Lamestream Media did not often show the looks of despair, loneliness and isolation in the parade marchers' eyes behind the clown painted smiles.

The new laws and the New Covenant Gate-Keepers required all citizens to glorify and champion fulfilling whatever personal pleasure and lust one had at the moment. Hesitation to revel could carry a small fine, even.

Of course the social fabric frayed.
Of course relationships became increasingly fractured and super shallow.
Of course meaning in relationships and in life became hollow, corrupt, ephemeral.
Of course people wandered around listlessly wondering where all the foundational joy in living leaked out to.

But no one was allowed to be seen mourning the death of meaning and commitment.

Quoth the media . . . EVERMORE . . . PARTY ON! TICKLE YOUR NEIGHBOR'S FANCY! COMING SOON TO A NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR YOU--DUCKY'S HOUSE OF PIZZA ORGIES. Clothing optional.

Originally posted by ThinkYouSpeak
in my personal opinion the scary thing about same sex marriage is that it will stop people from reproducing. thats right, if you have two guys playing butt bandit there will be no future groundbreaking scientist made from that act.
if two women are doing dildo dances there will be no possible future NASA astronaut made from that..

... what a surprise... more ignorance and an stereotypical, generalised obsession with the sexual conduct of gays and lesbians rather than appreciating that, just like straights, gay people lead fully functional lives and successful careers. That response is typical of hetero males who watch gay porn. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Gay people have kids, and they're not incapable of that or critical/rational thinking, unlike bigoted people who are unable to think outside what they have been spoon fed by the ignorant.... or watched in the porno vids and now find they need to protest far too much.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by BO XIAN

 

Increasingly along such parade routes there were skirmishes. Some of the HGKs threw pamphlets at some of the marchers. Others shielded their children's eyes and rushed away from the parade route. Some of the dual male parade marchers blew kisses at the male HGKs. Some of the dual women parade marchers lovingly threw their boa's around the necks of some of the protesting women HGK's.

It didn't help. The HGKs fled the scene all the faster and in greater numbers.

And new laws appeared. It became unlawful to say anything negative about the new definitions of Covenant.

Then it became unlawful to say anything negative about any of the new types of couplers.

Then it became unlawful to treat the new types of couplers any differently than one treated a HGK.

Then it became unlawful to advertise or write or speak publicly in behalf of the old Covenant memes, themes, values, norms, goals.

Then it became unlawful to teach your own children that the old Covenants were more supportive of Warm and Fuzzy Stability and Civility than the new "Covenants."

Then the 5-15% remaining HGKs were seen to be slowly disappearing from the culture. Some thought they were just dying off--serves em right. Some thought they were transporting to another planet--yea for that. Good riddance. But there were carefully cautiously shared rumors that some were helped from this life with a special cocktail of Soylent Green.

All in all, the youth were gleeful. Never before had they ever heard of a society with such a smorgasbord of options to choose from. Whatever tickled one's fancy or other places could be covered in a Covenant. Nevermind that Covenant began to lose it's social structural support and meaning. Nevermind that Covenant gradually lost all hint of having anything to do with a lasting commitment of faithfulness and stability. Nevermind that Covenant came eventually to mean more or less the opposite--If it Feels Good--Do it Quick--and Often to as many Folks, Animals and Objects--who knows that the marrow brings. Party On is the theme.

Many celebrated the NEW WORLD COVENANTS with gay abandon.

Others in dark secluded corners mourned the death of a civilization and the rise of the Darth-Lord to supremacy in the culture. They knew their days were numbered. They knew they'd eventually be hunted down and sacrificed on the Altar of Expediency and Popular Trashing of the Old. They realized they'd be released to the Eternal Covenant Land Above . . . but still they mourned at what they'd be leaving behind.

They knew the death of the Warm and Fuzzy Stability and Civility was pervasive. They knew there would be no going back very soon. They knew that increasingly chaos and suffering would reign as reveling became the major past time. And they mourned.

But the mourning was in stark contrast to the PARTY ON "music" and revelry.

And certainly the Lamestream Media did not often show the looks of despair, loneliness and isolation in the parade marchers' eyes behind the clown painted smiles.

The new laws and the New Covenant Gate-Keepers required all citizens to glorify and champion fulfilling whatever personal pleasure and lust one had at the moment. Hesitation to revel could carry a small fine, even.

Of course the social fabric frayed.
Of course relationships became increasingly fractured and super shallow.
Of course meaning in relationships and in life became hollow, corrupt, ephemeral.
Of course people wandered around listlessly wondering where all the foundational joy in living leaked out to.

But no one was allowed to be seen mourning the death of meaning and commitment.

Quoth the media . . . EVERMORE . . . PARTY ON! TICKLE YOUR NEIGHBOR'S FANCY! COMING SOON TO A NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR YOU--DUCKY'S HOUSE OF PIZZA ORGIES. Clothing optional.

Are you stoned?

You stopped making any sense whatsoever several posts ago.

reply to post by Darth_Prime


Statistically . . . the numbers are horrendous--for homosexual couples. They bespeak a ton of pain and suffering; grieving and mourning.

I don't know what the stats currently are. I do know that monogamous homosexual relationships longer than 5 years are an extremely small percentage.

One can whitewash that endlessly to what end?

It still speaks of a raging bunch of pain, angst, hurt, grief.

Trumpeting an extremely small percentage as though that were a glorious thing is missing the point.
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reply to post by markosity1973


Thanks for your gratuitous insult. I've never even been tipsy in 66 years.

My allegory is written for the sensible who can still mentally weigh choices and their consequences fair-mindedly.

Personally, I'm convinced that homosexual marriage will carry the day. The PTB are determined to make it the law of the land. The Old Order will be increasingly trashed.

And, sadly, homosexual partners will eventually lose bigger and more than anyone.

reply to post by KyrieEleison


IN our time/space dimension, there's long been an authentic degree of

CHOICE

between

LIFE vs DEATH

between

ETERNAL LIFE vs SOONER DEATH.

The overwhelmingly good, warm, fuzzy, stable, civil, joyous, authentically peaceful, authentically enlivening

has always been in the minority--even when the "High Priests" of "the doctrines" were in political control--usually--PARTICULARLY when the High Priests of the doctrines were in political control.

Nevertheless . . . those authentically given to choosing life regardless of the costs . . . are being identified . . . and rewarded . . . in this time/space dimension as well as particularly in the next.

We all reap what we sow.

It doesn't work to plant cacti and expect to harvest mangoes.

Changing the labels on the covenants doesn't help.

Pretending that black is white doesn't help.

Pretending that things were designed to fit tab A in slot Z doesn't help.

Some things work BETTER than other things.

Pretending that things that don't work or that work far less well--pretending that those things are equally or more gloriously wonderful . . . eventually just does not work at all, much less well.

reply to post by WilliamOckham

Originally posted by WilliamOckham
Except, sexual preference has nothing to do with ethnicity, religion or nationality. There's nothing bigoted about completely disagreeing and discouraging the behavior/fetish. Stop pretending the gays are victims or anything other than people who make a choice to have relations with the same sex, instead of behaving normally.

edit on 29-5-2013 by WilliamOckham because: (no reason given)

Then there's nothing bigoted about completely disagreeing and discouraging the Christian religion as it is chosen a behavior/fetish also.

Originally posted by RedParrotHead

Then there's nothing bigoted about completely disagreeing and discouraging the Christian religion as it is chosen a behavior/fetish also.

Then there's nothing bigoted about completely disagreeing with and discouraging the homosexual religion worshiping at the altar of alternate lusts and pleasures at any cost, also.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by markosity1973

 

Thanks for your gratuitous insult. I've never even been tipsy in 66 years.

My allegory is written for the sensible who can still mentally weigh choices and their consequences fair-mindedly.

Personally, I'm convinced that homosexual marriage will carry the day. The PTB are determined to make it the law of the land. The Old Order will be increasingly trashed.

And, sadly, homosexual partners will eventually lose bigger and more than anyone.

Well maybe a drink is what you need to calm the nerves then Mr Bo Xian. Your posts are becoming more and more emotive and less and less intelligible.

Let me speak as one of these people who are going to lose more than anyone. I have been with my partner for 7 years now. I do not envisage a time where we will part ways and nor does he. We drive each other crazy at times and other times we are inseparable, mostly we just get along fine like 2 very close friends.

If we hadn't have found one another our meagre existencess would have been another tragic story of lives wasted. He was falling deeper and deeper into the world of drugs and alcohol and I had given up on life - I saw little point in waking up every day, alone, unloved and unwanted, even by my own family because I am gay.

So one day we found each other, there in the darkness of our own despairing. I helped him see that drugs and alcohol do not fix the problem and he gave me a reason to keep fighting. We both moved away, far away from our families and started a life together from the destitute ruins of what had once been a grim tragedy.

These several years later we are both happy, we have made amends with our families and we give what we can back to society in the form of money and practical help. We have friends who have only ever known us as the couple we are . We just do our own thing over in the corner away from sight of the general public most of the time.

So, go ahead, feel free to hate me and those who are like me if it makes you feel better,

I do not need your permission to exist and I never will because it is people like you who tried to crush my spirit. But it was in those deepest darkest moments of my existence that I discovered who I truly am.

And you know what? I am finally at peace with myself because of it all.

Originally posted by Blahable
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

nothing is scary.It's just disgusting. Many just don't want you "people" near them or their families. Hence the mass exodus from the boy scouts in some areas. I feel bad for the kids that you "adopt" that you will brainwash into your way.. But hey thats the only way you can keep your confused population going.

Newsflash... The gay population is predominately spawned by heterosexuals.
There's 4 households of gay couples along my street with a total of 9 kids... all the kids that have been raised by these homosexual unions are straight including my heterosexual son. There's no brainwashing going on at all... only understanding, acceptance of the complex human condition and learning how to tolerate the opinions of bigots and small minded plug-uglies/bullies.

reply to post by BO XIAN

Originally posted by BO XIAN

Originally posted by RedParrotHead

Then there's nothing bigoted about completely disagreeing and discouraging the Christian religion as it is chosen a behavior/fetish also.

Then there's nothing bigoted about completely disagreeing with and discouraging the homosexual religion worshiping at the altar of alternate lusts and pleasures at any cost, also.

Uh, we're going in circles...my post was in reply that exact statement.

reply to post by OpenEars123

I wasn't talking about the US, abortion or drugs. So that comment was also pointless.

It's not pointless. It's a pattern of depraved, selfish issues all pushed by the same idealogical group. You should be so proud of yourself.

I was talking about this thread, the hate, and the decent people not backing down.

There is no hate, at least not on my part. The decent people you speak of who are not backing down unfortunately are not the ones you're rooting for. The decent people are those who oppose the high jacking of the institution of marriage by 5% of the population who have no respect for anyone who doesn't support changing the rules to support their unnatural lifestyle.

In the real world, societal norms don't change to suit the needs of a small but vocal minority.

reply to post by seabag


So if gay couples can get married that affects straight couples? How exactly?

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by OpenEars123

 

I wasn't talking about the US, abortion or drugs. So that comment was also pointless.

It's not pointless. It's a pattern of depraved, selfish issues all pushed by the same idealogical group. You should be so proud of yourself.

I was talking about this thread, the hate, and the decent people not backing down.

There is no hate, at least not on my part. The decent people you speak of who are not backing down unfortunately are not the ones you're rooting for. The decent people are those who oppose the high jacking of the institution of marriage by 5% of the population who have no respect for anyone who doesn't support changing the rules to support their unnatural lifestyle.

In the real world, societal norms don't change to suit the needs of a small but vocal minority.

Yet another hypocritical post - You obviously have no idea what the real world is.

And as for the pattern of depraved, selfish issues all pushed by the same ideological group?
I'm not part of that group and do not push the ideals of drugs and abortion.

Maybe if you stepped into the real world (really, you should try it!) You would realise that you are still talking complete nonsense.

Bet your Mummy is so proud of you...

Originally posted by WilliamOckham
reply to post by Idonttouchmethere

 

Read previous reply. Your question/argument really is weak. Why do serial killers kill? Why do nerds act nerdy? Why do socially awkward people behave awkwardly? Just because they aren't aware of the "why" does not mean it isn't behavioral or that they cannot consciously and proactively change it.

By your logic WilliamOckham... you can change your heterosexual urges into gay ones then by making a concious effort.... let us know how that pans out for you eh ! Surely you must be keen to give your hypothesis credibility by providing first hand proof... yes?.

reply to post by BO XIAN


Bottom line Bo Xian;

You can spurt out as much/many scientific facts as you wish, and also about your "60 years of experience".

You are just another bigoted Christian who is anti gay/anti gay marriage/homophobic.

"Love thy neighbour" (Unless he's a fag)

Enough said.

reply to post by seabag

The decent people are those who oppose the high jacking of the institution of marriage by 5% of the population who have no respect for anyone who doesn't support changing the rules to support their unnatural lifestyle.

But seabag - it's not just 5% that's supporting it - it's moving more and more towards being a majority. Do you really still see this as being about decent people and indecent people? We're all just people

This is a civil rights battle. All citizens should be considered equal under the law - have the same rights - and the same level of protection

The fact that one group wants to deny another group the right to do anything proves - that group is a special interest group. They want to preserve something only for themselves. Any time you have one group that wants to deny another it' a problem. You can't own a ceremony - or the meaning that ceremony has for all people everywhere

The Defense of Marriage Act - the title alone gives the whole thing away. How is this even law? It's exclusionary - you can't have laws that exclude one whole group of people based on the preferences of another

I'm not a complete idiot seabag :-) I know you want to defend the sanctity of marriage. For you this means - marriage can only happen between a man and a woman. It's not like I don't understand that. It's really not as if most people - even those that disagree with you - don't understand that. But things change. They have to. People are people. And their marriages won't change your marriage - in any way

In the real world, societal norms don't change to suit the needs of a small but vocal minority

They do when a minority becomes a majority - and many people are changing the way they see this

In the real world, societal norms change every single day - until you have brand new societal norms. I understand that what seems right to some folks will always seem right - and nobody likes change. But - the truth about this particular fight is - we're all fighting so that all people are considered equal

It's not a fight to strip away the meaning or value of the institution of marriage - in a way this makes marriage even more meaningful than it was before

I understand that you see things differently - and I also understand what it means to you. This is not going to be easy for a lot of people - I get that too. But someday - farther down the road - civilization will continue and everyone will wonder why we ever made such a fuss in the past

reply to post by SoulReaper


I have no interest in forcing you to acknowledge anything... You put forward the same repetitive point in your debate re the obsession with genital procreation to appease the hebrew interpretation of a desert deity, along with insults and accusations of force... Really mate... I don't have your arm up against your back in a twist.... its just your knickers that are tired in a knot and you feel the need to insult. I find your stance amusing, very repetitious but amusing non the less.

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis

But seabag - it's not just 5% that's supporting it - it's moving more and more towards being a majority. Do you really still see this as being about decent people and indecent people? We're all just people

Yep. Over 50 percent of Americans support same-sex marriage. Only Republicans (religious fundamentalists) and older people (past generation) are against it. But the religious fundamentalists are a dying breed, and we all know what happens to old people...

www.gallup.com... relink&utm_term=All%20Gallup%20Headlines

Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by SQUEALER
The whole objective behind the movement to call "gay unions" a "marriage" is to destroy the traditional concept of "marriage" by denying heterosexuals the right to conceive.

Let no man be deceived, the goal is the total destruction of marriage.

You make it sound like they're going to make gay marriage compulsory or something.

What they are going to make compulsory, is "equal treatment" of gay married couples and straight married couples.

Can't make them equal without taking away something from the straight couples, because gay couples are already missing some biological body parts, and functions.