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Simple question re: homosexuality

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posted on May, 28 2013 @ 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by jeramie

Those who reject the God and His Son will spend eternity separated from Them. Not in a burning inferno where they experience pain non-stop. They will simply be asleep for eternity, not knowing anything.


One of God's rule is to stone disobedient children. Anyone who doesn't stone disobedient children is going against God and will spend eternity asleep. Are you prepared for that?




posted on May, 28 2013 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by MegaSpace
Do transexuals want the same rights as gays in getting married??
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This is one of the least mentioned but most blatantly hypocritical points in the whole debate.
In the US, post-op transsexuals already have the same rights as heterosexuals. I have a cousin who was a lesbian woman until she was 18. At 18, she became a he, and once he had been physically altered to have the external appearance of a man, he was allowed to legally marry a woman.
So what makes a marriage a homosexual one? Would you consider my cousin's marriage to be that of a heterosexual couple, or a lesbian couple since they were both born female? What about someone whose genitalia has been damaged beyond repair? Should they be considered genderless if they no longer have the organs that make them functionally male or female?
Or is real issue, as I suspect, your own personal comfort level?
I don't find the sight of 2 men kissing to be sexually appealing anymore than I imagine most gay people find the sight of straight people making out to be.
I am also aware, however, that just because something is not "right" for me, doesn't mean it's not "right" for someone else. Some things are not "wrong" simply because they are "wrong for you". There is a difference.



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Very simple question here. It is simple logic that gay marriage cannot and will not effect any person outside of that particular relationship. It cannot effect my marriage. It cannot effect yours.

With that in mind, I have to ask:

What is so scary about gay marriage? Fear is literally the only reason that people are against it (whether it be religious fear, social fear, etc). There is no other logical reason.

So, again, I ask: What is so scary about gay marriage?


The gay marriage controversy is one of many touchy subjects manifested to distract and destroy.

Radical Bible thumpers vs sensitive crybaby liberals, that's the way I see it.

I have nothing against gays personally, but I can't say "That's gay!" without someone--not just suggesting I stop--but thoroughly EXPLODING on me for it. "Why would you say that?! Do you have any idea what you're saying?! That's so hurtful!"

I could understand it if I was TRYING to offend someone, or shouting the "N" word at a group of African Americans... but my God, you can't say ANYTHING without it being offensive anymore. My cousins and I said "That's gay!" all my life growing up, and while I make an effort not to say it anymore, if I slip up, TOO BAD. Stop whining. I'm not going out of my way to offend anyone, so GET OVER IT.


You can't even say "Chinese food."

Calling someone Chinese is offensive now.


Am I the only one who finds that really stupid?


Anyway, point is, when the gay marriage controversy popped up and had all the Bible thumpers and Liberals distracted, that was when the Monstanto Protection Act was passed without anyone paying any mind to it.

And I called it.


I saw that crap all over the news the third day it was on, looked at my sister, and said "I bet you anything they're doing something important right now. That's why all this crap is all over the news, so none of us find out."

Found out about Monstanto the next day.

Answer, OP; People want something to be passionate about, but without the burden of thought weighing them down. So, rather than thinking for themselves, they let laziness take over, and get emotional over whatever the news puts in front of them.

Like gay marriage.

They pick a side (pro gay marriage or anti gay marriage), then advocate that side with all their might.

It gives them something to do, and makes them feel justified, like they're not being a useless human being. All people want something they believe in strongly, but almost no one wants to make that belief for themselves. They want someone or something else to do it for them.

That's what mainstream media is for.

Giving people whatever purpose the powers decide they should have.

People squabbling over meaningless controversy like this keeps them well distracted from real controversy and real issues, like protecting poison-GMO food and poisoning the population.

Psychological warfare.



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 07:57 AM
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I love these "I can't say "THAT'S GAY!!!" types.

Yes, yes you can. What you mean to say is that while society has progressed to a point that the majority no longer sees it as acceptable to use the word "Gay" as a derogatory term, you would like to keep using your language without being judged for it.
edit on 28-5-2013 by MichaelPMaccabee because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 07:59 AM
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We have a few gay people in our family, whom we love and cherish very much. With that said, I think there should be a different descriptor for homosexual marriages. It could hold the legal weight that marriage does, just call it something else. That is what my family thinks should happen, which could end the battle in various states.



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 08:08 AM
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But if you saw something you thought was really stupid and you said, "that's so Chinese", don't you think the Chinese would be insulted by that? Now, if you are using "that's so gay" to describe something really cool and awesome, I think gays would be fine with that. Somehow, I don't think that's the case. It would be the same as if a girl is referring to something really stupid as "that's so male". I think if it happened a lot, males would get a little tired of it.



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by curiouswa
We have a few gay people in our family, whom we love and cherish very much. With that said, I think there should be a different descriptor for homosexual marriages. It could hold the legal weight that marriage does, just call it something else. That is what my family thinks should happen, which could end the battle in various states.


Well then, your gay family members can call their unions something different if they want. But why force that on other gays who want to call their union a marriage?



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by curiouswa
We have a few gay people in our family, whom we love and cherish very much. With that said, I think there should be a different descriptor for homosexual marriages. It could hold the legal weight that marriage does, just call it something else. That is what my family thinks should happen, which could end the battle in various states.


Separate but equal...
Separate but equal...

Where have I heard that before?



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by Iamschist
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The scary part is that homosexuality will become accepted as 'normal' by society. The erosion of traditional values is threatening for many. Homosexuality is condemned in the Bible, to accept gay marriage, is to accept the 'sin' and bring down the wrath of God. I am guessing that is another scary part.

As a matter of fact, excluding homosexuality or banning gay couples is not "traditional" at all, at least not in the West. Greek and Roman societies, which laid the foundations of modern European life were full of open homosexuals, in fact, at times ordinary procreative man-woman sexuality was looked upon as less refined. Liking young boys was especially normal in the antique world.

I have no personal stake in this, I am a man and attracted solely by women.
However, I suggest that instead of "traditional", you might want to use a more descriptive and less misleading, term, like "procreative."

In addition to that, homosexuality happens already in groups of animals too, so it is "traditional" in that sense too...



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 08:41 AM
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You are correct I could be more specific. In that instance 'traditional' was referring to middle America and no where else.



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 08:45 AM
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CALL IT something ELSE and the PROBLEMS subside. Are you thick?


Why should they call it something else - it is what it is - marriage

The union of two people

You don't have to like it - but nobody is asking for permission. The right to form a legal union - is a right any two consenting adults should have. Calling it something else is just a shell game - it is what it is - marriage

Why does it bother you so much - the word? If you're OK with the concept - let it go



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 08:49 AM
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Its simple...normal straight people just dont like it...they dont want to see it (unless its hot girl girl porn) and they dont want it crammed down their throats...and some of faith dont like it but that is really the small percentage...
The gay population is fooling themselves thinking that everyone is now excepting them for who they are..but this is false..its just hype created by the media to have us think gay is cool...well for most people its not cool. I will never ever tell my kids its normal but they can also make their own decisions in the long run. Im not homo phobic and I really dont care what you do behind closed doors just stop pushing the agenda that its normal.
Im here to tell you for every nice person good friend that you think is so good with your homosexuality..once behind closed doors there not ok with it.

I would probably be more ok with it if I didnt hear about it and see it and be told that "we have gay rights" so get used to it.
Im 100% for don't ask don't tell...



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by Iamschist
The scary part is that homosexuality will become accepted as 'normal' by society.


Homosexuality IS normal. Like left-handedness is normal. Homosexuality is not the majority, but it's quite normal, in any population, that a small percentage of the people are gay. It's traditional. It's the truth. Accepting the truth (that homosexuality is normal) is not harmful.

If it's frowned on by your religion, then don't be involved with it. You don't have to accept it. But it is the truth. People are gay. Gay people are citizens. They deserve the same rights under the laws of the land as ALL other citizens.

I bet prostitution isn't "normal" and threatens traditional values, according to your belief system. But prostitutes can marry. Do you "accept" prostitution? No. See? You don't have to accept homosexuality, either.

I bet atheism isn't "normal" and threatens traditional values, according to your belief system. But atheists can marry. Do you "accept" atheism? No. See? You don't have to accept homosexuality, either.



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 08:56 AM
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I'm with you, never understood it myself. In fact, when I married my wife, neither of us being religious, we did it with a lawyer, not inside a church, and any reference to that was pulled out of the speel the lawyer read during the ceremony.

Does that not mean that those opposed to gay marriage on religious grounds should also oppose my marriage?



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 09:02 AM
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I have no problem with gay people. They are human after all aren't they? The only reasons I can see people having problems with gay marriages is,

Politically, they have an agenda as in racking in the votes in particular regions
Religiously, just pushing hate speech at anything that doesn't conform to their ideals, it's pretty simple.
Personally, I think it's simple ignorance, bigotry and/or closet homosexuals



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 09:03 AM
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As a gay man I do not want to get married, but certainly feel I should be able to, at least here in America. It should be my constitutional right PERIOD. I also believe in God.



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 09:13 AM
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Because:

"Why should he get to marry who he loves from the bottom of his heart when I couldn't and had to marry someone I didn't feel an attraction toward?" said the closeted gay man.

Most adults are giant children.



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 09:14 AM
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I just recently ready a thread concerning spreading hate..yet have seen no warnings given out by obvious hate messages.

They use studies that have been debunked because they are from anti gay sites. These studies are from highly religious people and only cherry pick facts they need in order to get what they want. They are not recognized by any reputable organization

Debunked Antigay Parenting Study Commissioned to Sway Supreme Court

Debunking Flawed and Inaccurate Research

10 Anti-Gay Myths Debunked

Isn't using known flawed studies to further lie about a group considered spreading hate?



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by OpenEars123
I would say that a lot of people who are anti gay marriage or anti gay, are in fact themselves gay or have some secret gay tendencies. Whether they know it or not or if they accept it or deny it, is a whole different subject.

Good question, and good luck when the god squad arrive.


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edit on 27/5/13 by OpenEars123 because: My fingers aren't smart phone friendly


I share the opinion of most heterosexuals on this one in as much as it is of absolutely no consequence to me who marries who. I think the above often trotted out boilerplate is flawed because by that logic those that are anti-child molester secretly harbour child molester tendencies and like wise those that are anti rape, murder, theft, etc also harbour these desires.

Just to add I will shoot anyone who suggests I have any of these tendencies for holding this opinion (joking of course)



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by Iamschist
The scary part is that homosexuality will become accepted as 'normal' by society.


Homosexuality IS normal. Like left-handedness is normal. Homosexuality is not the majority, but it's quite normal, in any population, that a small percentage of the people are gay. It's traditional. It's the truth. Accepting the truth (that homosexuality is normal) is not harmful.

If it's frowned on by your religion, then don't be involved with it. You don't have to accept it. But it is the truth. People are gay. Gay people are citizens. They deserve the same rights under the laws of the land as ALL other citizens.

I bet prostitution isn't "normal" and threatens traditional values, according to your belief system. But prostitutes can marry. Do you "accept" prostitution? No. See? You don't have to accept homosexuality, either.

I bet atheism isn't "normal" and threatens traditional values, according to your belief system. But atheists can marry. Do you "accept" atheism? No. See? You don't have to accept homosexuality, either.


Homosexuality is only normal in your world or your mind if it was normal we wouldnt be having this discussion...yes "these" are people same as me but..I dont go preaching that I have special rights cause Im straight...so you dont get that either cause your gay...and as I said if your gay and you think that all your straight friends are cool with it...well your fooling yourself.
Im just saying what everyone is thinking anyway not bashing...and I was brought up to think of marriage to be man and woman..and Im not regelious..so dont expect me to acknowledge your union or if your in a state that is gay friendly...your marriage. Sorry its just doesn’t seem normal....
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