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Britain gets a warning to stay in EU by US?

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posted on May, 27 2013 @ 06:07 PM
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Sadly, even if the Brits say 'No', the puppeteers will have them vote again and again an again, until the outcome is to their liking. In my country citizens didn't get asked to begin with, since the government was certain we probably would say 'No' as well. I know I would have.




posted on May, 27 2013 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by Tuttle
One step backwards from a truly one world government unfortunately.

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Unfortunate that its a step backwards from a one world government you say ?



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 06:19 PM
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Well, its been obvious since 2009 that Obama doesn't believe in the special relationship, so this doesn't surprise me at all.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 06:43 PM
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Politicians in Britain have never been so far apart from the British public as UKIP's popularity has demonstrated -and now its out in the open that Brits find the EU suffocating and way too expensive to belong to. So not many Brits will pay much attention to Obama and our politicians may not be able to afford to pacify him at the expense of their parliamentary seats.

If Ireland's referendum is anything to go by, we will have the first which will be for leaving and when that's not too popular, we will have another which will be fiddled to keep us in, although I wouldn't like to push the Brits too much because most people are fed up with the way our politicians behave.

I don't quite know what the panic is really about regarding the trade that we have with the EU and visa-versa.
Lets face it, how many small countries have our population's purchasing power, and such an easy, cheap logistics system for trade because of the compactness of this country. We also have some very innovative companies, research programmes and expertise which many countries throughout the world trade and cooperate with.

Traders who want to sell their goods to us won't want to stop trading because of the profits they make.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 06:49 PM
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But if the UK leaves EU then Europe will fall flat on it's face. I think the UK can manage their own currencies. Heck why don't they team up with Australia and become a duel nation of it's own. Isn't that what they want?



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by LordDerpingtonSmythe

Originally posted by Tuttle
One step backwards from a truly one world government unfortunately.

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Unfortunate that its a step backwards from a one world government you say ?


Yes.

It is the logical evolution of society to form a one world government. If people cannot see that, then I am sure we can all go back to living in city states. Oh wait thats just a bit silly.

People realy need to open their minds a bit and understand what the future is.
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posted on May, 27 2013 @ 07:04 PM
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I agree with Pistoche. As our "cousins across the Atlantic", speaking the same language for the most part, having shared roots in history, Britain gives us someone in the EU that has affection and affiliation with our own country so we do have loyalties to each other while they would also have that with their fellow EU members from their shared history and affiliations. Like having your brother in law or cousin in a group you are not a member of... some pull or potential influence or leverage perhaps.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 07:22 PM
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As a Brit, it would be rather nice, if not a little quaint, to accept the thought that the British people as a whole will decide their own EU role sometime in the future, but I doubt the British people will ever 'be allowed' to decide. Oh, there may well be a referendum, and the people may all go to booths up and down the country to vote, but regardless of whatever the result would be, even under the pretense of being a real fair democratic choice, the predetermined path will be a resounding result to stay in Europe...TPTB will not allow anything else.

Democratic freedoms, rights, liberties, all are obstacles and impedance to business and corporatocracy. We no longer live in a western world determined by democratic protocols and their noble ideals. The shift from them has been silent and unspoken, business needs and requirements took over governments and influence how countries are now run. Everything else is a just a facade, a pretense, a mask of deception, and the best of it is, we all know it, and we play along with the game...the vote counts for nothing.

It counts for nothing because you just happened to have voted the way they wanted you to, and you go away thinking your vote did count, it didn't, it was just a coincidence. If all the British people voted to separate from the EU, or even if it was the majority, the result declared would still be a resounding yes to stay in Europe. Britain is nothing more to America than a 'backdoor' to European business, the so-called 'special relationship' is just one of the masks politics wears to deceive the people in both countries. Business in boardrooms runs and governs the world now, and has done so for a while.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 07:46 PM
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The EU, as others before have said, is just another stepping stone to the NWO global government. The stalling in Britain regarding further integration/exit has only come about solely due to growing mass public discontent and unplanned parties (UKIP). I fear it'll be a "keep repeating until we get the right answer farce" just like the Lisbon Treaty.

Obama the Nobel Peace Prize winner, needs to quit worrying about his fellow Peace Price winner, the EU, (wtf honestly?) and tend to his own national financial disaster.
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posted on May, 27 2013 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Now this is an attention grabber. It leaves me, as a first impression, asking a simple question. Have we no true allies as we see the world any longer? Is Britain 'Just another country' on par with every other nation in the world for treatment and solutions? It would seem so, at least to some.



You know, some (Danish) analysts are considering it to be at it's core not a threat, but a helping hand from the Obama Administration to the pro EU Mr. Cameron. And he did, after all, go to Washington to meet with Obama specifically to lobby for said US-EU trade agreement, and it was while there he had to (sort of?) pledge to make into law the promise to to hold a plebiscite on the question of continued EU membership.

My guess is that the 'warning' was indeed coordinated with Cameron and that relations are indeed still tight between The US and the UK.


I say Brits, leave the EU, take Denmark with you - historically we agree in the council - and let's partner up with the rest of the countries that stayed out of the Euro. Because, you know, that would be the smart ones. :-)



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 08:29 PM
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The UK is still struggling to come to terms with the fact that is is no longer an empire. We have very little real power on the world stage. This relationship with the USA is a one way deal, where as back in the 80's with Reagan and Thatcher (even though I was not a fan of hers), there was a definite balance in the so called special relationship...Since Blair however, and certainly after 9/11...its been a one way street and I have no idea why British governments bend over backward to please the states..its akin to someone who continually kisses up to a rich neighbor in hopes of getting invited around for dinner or mentioned in their will or something..and that's a strategy that rarely ever works in real life..and a pitiful strategy at that too.

Where Britain really went wrong is when it threw its lot in with the states, instead of strengthening its position within Europe. Britain could have been where Germany is now, at the heart of Europe calling the shots, but instead we are not only outside of Europe but sidelined by America...The UK is probably in its worst position in centuries as far as power and having influence.
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posted on May, 27 2013 @ 08:33 PM
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The US is desperate to keep the EU together, why you may ask?

The European Union, and their socialism experiment is a total and complete failure....but the thing is the longer it stays a mess people won't look at the complete FUBAR situation the US is still in. We already have several large nations developing trade agreements with each other, not using US Dollars.

While the situation in the EU is still unstable but still viable the faith in the reserve currency is maintained.


That is why the US wants the UK to stay in the EU. All in my opinion of course.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 08:41 PM
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As a Brit I believe its necessary to quote Patton on this one, same context and all.

"Nutz"



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 09:08 PM
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And EU and EU and ba ba baa! Tough call for D Cameron. If we get the referendum, excellent. If it falls on people like me to decide then wahey! Using the power of ATS I can be confused and concerned at the same time and know too little yet too much in an attempt to break "the system". That's not an opportunity you get every day. But it's an important one.

And, watching the local elections recently made me realize - they're all mums and grandma's at local village halls, and some party campaigners. Rigging a referendum would be pretty tough here. TV stations cover every location just about. So I wonder if during the referendum we'll see men in black, increased security or other "red lights*" at the polling station. Just to get us this deal with the US
They would stand out like a sore thumb...

Probably not. "One world" has its benefits, and ultimately I'd like that to happen. Who wouldn't? If the whole world worked together...wow...what a dream
But the slimy, monetary undercurrent of everything (that many people here are well aware of and despise) makes me too wonder if the US Gov "one world" direction is really any good.

I mean, for a start they can't even work with the rest of us on the UFO/aerial phenomena subject. The world is pretty united on that except the US Gov. And if I put all the money, the referendums and Euro friends aside, it still comes back to that for me and that's what will be a strong factor in my vote. It will never be about the money.

So they can effectively guarantee me to not vote for the EU if I get the chance not only because I want to see some improvement to our economy here, but also because the US Gov still can't be honest about some very fundamental issues.

No trust on that subject doesn't help me trust their monetary "warnings". Yes we would miss out and yes there's enough questions about our own Government whether they would snatch it up without asking/calling for a referendum... but still. UFO's = EU votes.


Anyway, like I said, interesting news! Sorry that my response went from subject to UFOs.


It's funny how this "warning" allows me to vent about an issue that it has nothing to do with exactly. But it's true for me. I have no idea what reasons others have for yes/no to EU but I'd like to think us Brits would consider more than just the money.

I thought the global economy is only balanced when countries stick to their own currencies? No idea if that's fact or just something I picked up in a movie or ATS thread. Just can't keep track these days...


* from the movie Red Lights, something like "things/people that shouldn't be there/are out of place, and could be orchestrating something behind the scenes". Sigourney Weaver will tell you.
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posted on May, 27 2013 @ 09:19 PM
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This really comes as no surprise. Obama has shown nothing but disdain for the U.K. from day one. The Churchill bust removed from the White House and sent back to the U.K. was a symbolic gesture by Obama to sever ties...



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by michaelmcclen
As a Brit I believe its necessary to quote Patton on this one, same context and all.

"Nutz"


Actually that was McAuliffe... guessing the sentiment is the same tho



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 09:46 PM
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I have said it before, and I will say it again...The people that the US "choose" to represent them are the worst kind of people. The only good news is that when a crisis arises with another nation, these politicians are not afraid to play dirty. But they seem to do it all the time, which just proves my point about them not being the best people to represent us. It is sad that out of all the politicians the world has had recently, so very few were actually good people who always made good decisions, and for the right reasons. I know Obama is concerned with his "legacy" and image, and I figured he would be willing to sacrifice a lot to improve that. Some presidents have gone far enough to cost US lives for the sake of their image.

Even those who seem like good leaders may truly not be. Had Hitler died before WWII got under way, I am convinced he would have been remembered as one of the greatest leaders in the history of the world. Or before he really began persecuting the Jews. That is kind of scary. What do we really know about the people we elect, aside from what they present to us? Of course they are going to present their best face, and they are going to tell us what they think the most people want to hear. Then once they get into office, they can blame other people for their shortcomings, and basically do whatever they wish. As far as the issue at hand, I don't know. I have a few ideas, but at the end of the day, I don't know Obama well enough to know what he is thinking.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 09:58 PM
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The people don't choose their leaders..Their leaders get picked before hand..Then the media go on a brainwashing mission to convince the sheeple who to vote for...but the voting population have virtually no free will at this point, this is obvious because they believe voting makes a difference, so you know who to make them vote for if you own the media. And the vast majority of potential voters don't bother voting because they know its futile anyway, these are the folks who can actually think straight still...all politicians are career politicians, and in it for themselves. and personal gain and glory. To even talk about voting is ridiculous in a two party state. Both of which are capitalist extremists.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 11:21 PM
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Don't worry about Obama, he just holds a grudge against Great Britain because of his Kenyan roots and the whole colonialism deal. But at the longest Obama is gone in less than four years, and after these scandals he will be neutered in office if not forced out, and the rest of America will be happy to help the UK regain their national sovereignty.



posted on May, 28 2013 @ 12:43 AM
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In order to create a One World government, we have to go through some large consolidations. Britain coming out of the EU is moving in the opposite direction to what the bankers actually want. So, the Rothschilds or whomever, call up their pet pig Obama and tell him to use any old excuse to let Britain know it would be a bad idea to leave the EU. Any fool knows however that it's not hard to change the names on any agreement, that's why they make templates ;-) And certainly the UK prime minister knows the game plan, so this is just going through the motions for the dissenters.

I've seen it before in South Africa in 1989 and 1990. You will do this or you will be destroyed economically as a country. I think it's called extortion, at least it is when we peons do it. It must have another name like sensible economic stabilization plans when governments do it.

Cheers - Dave
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