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Thousands of Muslims gather in London to condemn murder of soldier Lee Rigby

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posted on May, 26 2013 @ 05:42 PM
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Not a very moderating series of comments for a "moderator". Somehow, an outrageous murder is spun into the "racists" who post on A.T.S.

When people are upset, scared or angry, they often wrongly assign blame and generalize.

The difference between the average person not apologizing for a murder is that murderer isn't hiding behind them or their family or even their church. These extremists are. That puts the "majority' in harms way, either by opinion or as collateral damage from drones.

The so-called majority will have to do more than a token demonstration of 5,000 else they and theirs are at risk.

The non-reporting by the world's media of the riots in Sweden by Muslim youth while a hockey riot in Vancouver gets wide media attention suggests a different agenda than some are suggesting here.

I find it almost incomprehensible that many if not most of these demonstrators don't know which Imams are promoting this jihadist agenda. Apparently, they aren't talking, or at least, not enough of them are.

I do know that if someone I knew was putting my family or group at risk, I'd be in their face in a nanosecond. If normal legal means couldn't handle it, for whatever reason, with the help of others or not, I would handle it, one way or another. There are many, many others of similar mind.

This is not racism. This would occur no matter what group, religion or individuals where involved. They'd get the same response!! Equally!!

Self-preservation is a pretty powerful motivator. One that won't care if there's collateral damage or not in removing the perceived threat.

If I was a Muslim, that's what I'd do. Of course the literal translation of Islam is, apparently, "submit"...not my cup of tea..




posted on May, 26 2013 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Tranny

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by ollncasino
I like them just fine. I wouldn't want them to be making the laws where I live though.

We had the same problem here right after the American Civil War. There were an awful lot of white folks who didn't want the black folks having any say in the laws where they both lived. You may have heard of it - "Jim Crowe". "KKK", etc.


Another in a continuing list of nonsensical arguments by people in this thread.

Implying that saying someone should not make laws because they are black(which has no effect on their decision making process) is somehow comparable to saying someone should not make laws because of the religion they follow(which does have effect on their decision making process), is totally nonsensical.

The color of your skin does not affect function of your brain. The religious ideology your brain follows does affect the function of your brain.


If you say so, Jack. After all, you're the master race!

Disenfranchisement is disenfranchisement. Shutting people up and not allowing them a say is shutting people up and not allowing them a say.

Can't go beyond that - I'm trying to behave here.


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posted on May, 26 2013 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu
If you say so, Jack. After all, you're the master race!


It is you that keeps trying to bring race into it. I am the one saying race is irrelevant to the discussion of religion.



posted on May, 26 2013 @ 05:56 PM
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I have to applaud the few who came out and condemned the attack.

At the same time I have to wonder why this report is coming from the 'BELFAST TELEGRAPH'?



posted on May, 26 2013 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Tranny

Originally posted by nenothtu
If you say so, Jack. After all, you're the master race!


It is you that keeps trying to bring race into it. I am the one saying race is irrelevant to the discussion of religion.


If you say so.

Hating on a group because they are "other" is hating on a group because they are "other". if you look hard enough to find a difference to hate, you'll find it, as has become fairly obvious here. Neither race nor religion matters, until they suddenly DO matter simply because that's the hook you've found to hang your hate on.

So, yeah, it IS the same thing.

Still trying to behave, I am.



posted on May, 26 2013 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by nwtrucker
Not a very moderating series of comments for a "moderator". Somehow, an outrageous murder is spun into the "racists" who post on A.T.S.


What?

Oh noes.... the mod dared to have an opinion.... ooh... shame on me!!!! I shall remove myself to the naughty corner shall I?

Its not spun out at all. Its an outrageous murder. An evil despicable act.

But... shockingly... there are actual real, vile, nasty, disgusting racists who crop up on ATS. And usually they do so after such an event because, well, such awful evil and despicable things give them chance to spew their knuckle dragging hatred.

Thats life, them's the breaks. But just to clarify...

Murder is bad...mmmkay?

Racism is bad...mmmkay?

See - thats not so hard to understand, is it?


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posted on May, 26 2013 @ 06:07 PM
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posted on May, 26 2013 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Around five thousand Muslims gathered at Morden mosque yesterday to condemn the murder of soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich on Wednesday.




Its good that 5,000 Muslims have gathered to condemn the murder of soldier Lee Rigby

Didn't twice that number gather to protest against Google?

10,000 Muslims rally outside Google's London HQ over US-made anti-Islam film: report


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The second person to post in here,and this is whats to be read.
WOW,instead of noticing the positive,your quick to find the negative.
It could have been 1,000,000 and yet someone would cry that there werent 2,000,000.

And people wonder why things are going to $hit around the world.
Ignore the good things people try to do and continously point out how its not enough.
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posted on May, 26 2013 @ 06:14 PM
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I have no problems with mods having an opinion, just as long as they leave the modding to other mods in those threads. I have been a mod in a large forum, not easy......and I have also been in forums where mods use their status to prop up their arguments.

Can't say I have seen that on here.



posted on May, 26 2013 @ 06:43 PM
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Good point. I hadn't considered a moderator venting on the very venue they're supposed to moderate. LOL.



posted on May, 26 2013 @ 06:50 PM
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Fair enough, You have the right to vent as much as anyone.

You might, however, cite just who you are referring to, directly or quoting the posts you have in mind.

Personally, I have found few that are outright racist. Many more that fear for their culture, their civilization and the future that their children and grandchildren face.

There is a huge difference between a generality and racism.



posted on May, 26 2013 @ 06:52 PM
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People also tend to hide their racism in generality.



posted on May, 26 2013 @ 07:12 PM
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the gathering by 'peaceful' 'moderate' 'benevolent' Muslims is a BIG ~NeverMind~ episode


don't you know that radical & militant/terrorist minded 'Jihadists' are a intergal part of the Muslim culture of thought/mind/action.... and that the Clerics 'welcome' the radical killers.... to give the main body of Muslims an example that their Peaceful method is good...but their peaceful lifestyles are only the daylight phase of Islam AND there must be a 'Darkside' of Islam... to make the Muslim Peoples 'whole'


IOW the Clerics reinforce the NeoCon assessment that Islam-Muslims are a death cult religion-ideaology-culture (no matter the % of difference between the good-&-evil Muslims) and on this detail our kommander-in-chief has utterly failed (by purging the Tags of killers/evil/militants/radicals being Linked to Islam)



posted on May, 26 2013 @ 07:22 PM
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Hmm, hide their racism in generalities? Give me an eg. I'm not getting exactly what you're referring to.



posted on May, 26 2013 @ 07:27 PM
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Well i would never ever befriend someone who lives and breathes islam and that is my opinion and many opinions of many i have talked to on this subject none of you know how repulsed and disgusted so many are these days and all the crap that is going on is not helping their ability to integrate into the western world and have people associate and embrace them, they don't want it anyway . You speak of tolerance,well i don't believe they have any tolerance for us, yes i will say it , i am white. and we have none in my neck of the woods. I don't care how many of you say they are peaceful, i don't have to go out of my way to do anything.

Let's not forget that when they plan their terrorism it is usually to take as many infidels as they possibly can, the UK incident was different, it was meant to show their barbarism and that they are not afraid to show the world how they hate us, all of us, to make that soldier die in the most inhumane way possible.

Call me what you want i don't care. Their ways are different than mine and frankly i don't care to be associated with someone who lets their husband dominate them, I don't let mine dominate me so why do they.

Also, why do so many young muslims become radical, i was listening to a program, and this is where i know that people are getting very angry and concerned with this behavior, Sun TV Canada (not afraid to say it like everyone knows it is, check it out) what they said was that youth always rebel but many of them went the way of James Dean, rebel without and cause and were harmless but these disenchanted youth get mixed up with some preach who turns them against the very country who welcomed them, educated them and tried to give them a better life.




Multiculturalism doesn’t work.
You cannot have two competing cultures in the same country.
Questions like: What law do you follow? How do you solve conflicts? Are there any limits on religion in the public square?
Those are western ideas, like the separation of church and state.
There is no separation between mosque and state in the Qur’an; there is no separation between civilian and military in the Qur’an.
This is war.
Take it from the man with the meat cleaver, standing in the street.


This is happening everywhere, US, Canada, UK, you name it everywhere. Call me what you will, don't care, that is how I feel



posted on May, 26 2013 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by neformore
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And what has that got to do with the article I posted?

Nothing.

At all.

But hey, thanks for trying to obfuscate the issue.

This is just one of many gatherings of its kind, and there has been a huge amount of condemnation of the attack from the muslim community. You just choose to ignore it because it doesn't stack up with your view of the world.


I'm sorry, but I don't believe they are sincere, and this is why: A couple Muslims kill an English infidel and 5,000 Muslims gather peacefully to protest. To me, they're just saving their own butts because they know sooner or later we're going to strike back the way the Buddhist monks did in Myanmar. But, Swedish police kill one Muslim brandishing a knife at night and the Muslims go absolutely apes..t.

Well, where is the Muslim RAGE for the English soldier? Where is the collection of Muslims looking to exterminate those that supposedly abuse their religion? Draw a cartoon and Muslims kill. A couple of Muslims kill an Englishman and...??? Oops, sorry?



posted on May, 26 2013 @ 07:35 PM
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I believe its called Islamiphobia, not racism. By defination racism is to attack ones skin tone or race.

For example; Hitler was an anti-semite but not a rasict (atleast toward jews).

The term racist is used far to loosey nowadays.

ALS



posted on May, 26 2013 @ 08:04 PM
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe they are sincere, and this is why: A couple Muslims kill an English infidel and 5,000 Muslims gather peacefully to protest. To me, they're just saving their own butts because they know sooner or later we're going to strike back the way the Buddhist monks did in Myanmar.


Yet if those 5000 didn't turn up for the protest we'd have folks whining about how Muslims don't speak out against the "radicals".

In other words, Muslims are damned if they do... and damned if they don't. It makes no difference to some people. It all makes sense now.



posted on May, 26 2013 @ 08:07 PM
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It is called protecting your own interests as the minority are rocking the boat and they think it is too soon, though many are probably good people there are some very influential and not minority leaders whom are working on the longer term plan of increasing there democratic count by greater birth numbers. Sorry but that is the cold hard truth.



posted on May, 26 2013 @ 08:13 PM
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I have no problem with someone born in Pakistan, or Arabia or Africa but I do have a problem with specifically radical branches of Shiite Islam and that is not RACIST get your politically correct fact right, RELIGION IS NOT RACE no matter whom says it is just look it up in whatever main stream dictionary you can be it Oxford or Harvard OK.

Sorry but I am sick and tired of hearing the RACIST comment used in relation to RELIGION when it patently and definitively does not and never has applied,.
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