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Originally posted by ollncasino
But your statistics are just illustrating that Americans can't find the USA on a map and the like. Totally irrelevant to this thread.
Here is a survey on the other hand carried out by YouGov, a reputable polling agency on Muslim British student attitudes.
• 40% want Sharia law introduced into British Law for Muslims.
• 33% want the introduction of a worldwide Caliph, while 25% are opposed. 41% are not sure.
• 59% felt it was important that women wear the hijab but only 31% felt a women should be forced to wear one.
• 40% felt than men and women should not be allowed to associate freely together, while 12% were not sure.
• 32% felt it could be justifiable to kill in the name of religion.
• 57% fell that Muslims serving on the UK armed forces should have the right to opt out if the British army is fighting in a Muslim country.
• 16% felt the punishment that Gillian Gibbons received (the British teacher in Sudan who was sent to prison for 15 days after naming a teddy-bear ‘Mohammed’) was just right or not harsh enough. 19% were not sure.
Link
Originally posted by ollncasino
If we can put the political correctness, that has served only to stifle legitimate debate, aside for a moment, can we agree that a number of Muslims in the UK are accurately described as extremists?
Racist is as racist does ollncasino. We calls it as we sees it sometimes - tough luck
Originally posted by nenothtu
BTW, I HAVE read the Qur'an. It's not much different from the Bible in a certain respect - you have to read the surrounding verses for context, and use other verses to illuminate what you are reading.
I'm also clear now on who I'm talking to. An Obama liberal. Good to know from which direction you're coming from.
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
Originally posted by 2ndthought
reply to post by Spiramirabilis
And here in America, what would be the charge if someone spray painted a swastika on a WWII memorial? Or burned a cross in front of a black church?
Mere vandalism?
Are you incapable of understanding the point of all this?
Crime - is crime. Why single out the Muslims?
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by 2ndthought
I'm also clear now on who I'm talking to. An Obama liberal. Good to know from which direction you're coming from.
Who you're talking to is someone who is anti-bigotry and anti-nazi
It's surprising you're really that unaware - but there's a whole lot more people in this world than just the liberals that are against this sort of thing
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
Who you're talking to is someone who is anti-bigotry and anti-nazi
It's surprising you're really that unaware - but there's a whole lot more people in this world than just the liberals that are against this sort of thing
"The fascist of the future will be the anti-fascists"
Winston Churchill
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
but Mr. Casino's little sign says racist, so...
:-)
Originally posted by ollncasino
Originally posted by nenothtu
BTW, I HAVE read the Qur'an. It's not much different from the Bible in a certain respect - you have to read the surrounding verses for context, and use other verses to illuminate what you are reading.
What are your thoughts on the fact that the Meccan Koran, when Muhammad was weak has no Jihad passages, yet the Medinan Koran when Muhammad was a powerful warlord, consists of 24% Jihad passages?
Muhammad's messages became more and more violent as he grew more powerful.
Statistical Islam
In light of the fact that the Koran demands 91 times that Muslims imitate Mohammed in every way (Statistical Islam), do you think that the later violent jihad passages have had any impact on young, impressionable British Muslims?
Originally posted by nenothtu
I find it hilarious that you feel threatened and are afraid that someone else doesn't want to hang around with girls, as if that's some sort of threat that YOU won't be allowed to.
Originally posted by 2ndthought
Quite capable. Here in America those examples I presented are now classified as hate crimes. And prosecuted as if the perpetrator is one step away from a terrorist.
I also understand that, while you WISH Islamic atrocities be classified as mere 'crime', to the extremists, it's war.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Mohammed sucked at being bloodthirsty. I could have done much better.
33:26 And those of the People of the Book who aided them - Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners.
33:27 And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things.
Koran
"The apostle of Allah imprisoned the Qurayza in Medina while trenches were dug in the market-place. Then he sent for the men and had their heads struck off so that they fell in the trenches. They were brought out in groups, and among them was Kab, the chief of the tribe. In number, they amounted to six or seven hundred, although some state it to have been eight or nine hundred. All were executed. One man turned to his people and said, 'It matters not! By God's will, the children of Israel were destined for this massacre!’ Then he seated himself and his head was struck off...
...Now the apostle distributed the property of the Banu Qurayza, as well as their women and children, to the Muslims, reserving one-fifth for himself. Every horseman received three shares, one for himself and two for his steed, and every foot soldier one share. There were thirty-six horses present on the day of the Qurayza. The apostle dispatched an emissary to Najd with the prisoners, to barter them as slaves in exchange for horses and camels. The apostle of Allah selected one of the Jewish women, Rayhana, for himself, and she remained with him as his slave until she died. He had suggested marriage to her, that she should wear the veil (to separate her from all other persons, as his wives did), but she replied, 'Rather allow me to remain thy slave; it will be more easy for me, and for thee.'"
...it's a religion that does not allow any viewpoint other than its own...much like this thread it seems
Originally posted by ollncasino
I am anti-Muslim extremism. But who isn't?
Originally posted by nenothtu
I would guess that those passages could have an impact on young minds. Military recruiters do - that's why they prey on that age group, too. YOU could have the same impact, and instead of using it to promote peace, you are using it to promote more divisive hatred.
YOU could have the same impact, and instead of using it to promote peace, you are using it to promote more divisive hatred. You are NO better than "those people".
In fact, you are assisting them.