Thousands of Muslims gather in London to condemn murder of soldier Lee Rigby

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n

Going by the statistics approach, it should be a "fact" that whites or white Christians are more likely to kill each other in massive wars.

If you don't like statistics, how about a picture?

To make your picture true you would only need about 30 attacks. All you need is one attack in each nation. But it fits your agenda of spreading Islamophobia huh? Change the attackers to Christian and it will all be blood red.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by khimbar
This wasn't a special organised tribute then, this was normal Friday prayers?

Why does the article try to make it look like a special event in memory of the murder if it wasn't?

Why does this thread try to make it look like it was a commemorative act if it was the normal Friday prayer session not a specific gathering?

The irony is that the OP posted it without even realizing that the Ahmadiyya community are considered heretics by mainstream Islam and suffer persecution at their hands!

More smoke and mirrors.

Persecution of Ahmadis

The Persecution of Ahmadis is the religious persecution of Ahmadi Muslims as a consequence of professing their faith.

They have been subject to various forms of persecution and discrimination since the movement's inception in 1889.

Ahmadis are considered non-Muslims by the mainstream Muslims

Persecution of Ahmadis

edit on 27-5-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Not as much smoke and mirrors as what you are trying to use. And next time read a link before posting it. You claim that Ahmadis are considered non Muslim and have been subject to various forms of persecution and discrimination but you leave out where and why this happens. Where does this mostly happen? In Islamic countries which are Sunni dominated. And why does this happen? Because they are Sunnah. Nice attempt to twist the facts.

reply to post by neformore
It's a good thing... some may be coming to their senses--at least they weren't dancing in the streets as they were after 9-11-2001.

So there were 5,000 Muslims met at a mosque as per, came out with the usual line of Isam is a religion of Peace, and the future of our Multi Cultural paradise is still bright and rosy...i feel so reassured, thank you Comrades.

Originally posted by neformore
reply to post by ollncasino

 

I don't get why you keep putting surveys up in this thread.

As I mentioned earlier, over one hundred and twenty seven thousand people in the UK claim to be Jedi Knights in the last national census.

Now thats not true, and I know its not true because I was one of them and so far I've not been able to lift my car up off the road with the force while I change a tyre.

34,435 Americans were stupid enough to petition the Obama administration to build a Death Star.

18% of Americans think the sun revolves around the Earth (thats 56 million people, btw)

11% of Americans couldn't identify their own country on a map (thats 34 million people, btw) With that level of intelligence, is anyone in the US actually capable of making an informed decision about anything?

See, I can lob all kinds of statistics at you...about all kinds of stuff. Its pointless rubbish

98.24% of statistics are made up on the spot.

So, lets not be futile, shall we?

edit on 27/5/13 by neformore because: (no reason given)

So here you are, doing what you've been decrying others for doing. Stating that ALL Americans lack intelligence because of a small percentage.

You also fail to mention that the 11% were only YOUNG Americans between 18-24. Shameful, but hardly the 34 million that you claim. And more a bright light shone on the liberal education agenda purposefully dumbing down our youth. That, of course, is for another thread.

Originally posted by xavi1000
They are pretending and lying !
Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them
www.thereligionofpeace.com...

edit on 27-5-2013 by xavi1000 because: (no reason given)

Sorry but your link which is nothing but Muslim hate site leaves parts out to fit it's agenda. A few seconds search shows it's nothing but a lie.

Originally posted by GrandStrategy

Originally posted by woogleuk
Anyone with any sense knows not to blame the majority, however it doesn't help when the BBC interview people like Anjem Choudary, who openly support these actions, straight after the incident occurs.

Petrol > fire.

Nice to see the Muslim community trying to show people they are not to blame though.

Problem is that if the BBC didn't give exposure to the loons in the Muslim community we all know very well what would happen, they'd be accused by right wing sorts (Daily Mail, etc) for glossing over the bad elements of it.

BBC can't win. They give exposure and they're faulted for it, they don't give exposure and they're faulted for being in on some sort of liberal coverup.

Yes there is nothing wrong with showing that the feelings of this terrorist and the motivation for his actions, out of his own mouth, are supported by some others in country. They should be exposed and allowed to testify against themselves.

Real leadership would push for deportation of anyone supporting these actions. At least jailed for hate speech. Certainly this would be politically acceptable to those muslins that have "protested' against this terror.

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by xavi1000
They are pretending and lying !
Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them
www.thereligionofpeace.com...

edit on 27-5-2013 by xavi1000 because: (no reason given)

Sorry but your link which is nothing but Muslim hate site leaves parts out to fit it's agenda. A few seconds search shows it's nothing but a lie.

I'm just glancing over that link....can you point to the part that is a lie so I won't be misled.

thanks.

Originally posted by khimbar
Can anyone answer my questions from earlier?

From the article you linked to.

Around five thousand Muslims gathered at Morden mosque on Friday to condemn the murder of 25-year-old soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich, south-east London.

This wasn't a special organised tribute then, this was normal Friday prayers?

Why does the article try to make it look like a special event in memory of the murder if it wasn't?

Why does this thread try to make it look like it was a commemorative act if it was the normal Friday prayer session not a specific gathering?

The gathering of British Muslims from across the country took place at Western Europe's largest Mosque.

As it's this, does anyone know the normal attendance for Friday prayers? I'm assuming it was this one but I can't find out figures 'The Baitul Futuh Mosque (House of Victories)'.

What's the difference in numbers between this week and last week?

You took the time to copy and paste parts of the article but you never really read it did you? From the link.

"We stand united with the rest of the country in sharing the deep sorrow and pain following the horrific senseless attack on Wednesday. "Our thoughts and prayers are with the family of Drummer Lee Rigby. We hope that the perpetrators of this crime, that is based on a twisted and warped ideology, are brought to justice. "Islam is a religion of compassion and peace; a religion which considers the killing of an individual akin to killing the whole of humankind. Such acts of violence, therefore, have absolutely no place in Islam and can never be justified."

Doesn't sound like a normal service to me.

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by xavi1000
They are pretending and lying !
Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them
www.thereligionofpeace.com...

edit on 27-5-2013 by xavi1000 because: (no reason given)

Sorry but your link which is nothing but Muslim hate site leaves parts out to fit it's agenda. A few seconds search shows it's nothing but a lie.

Buster you need to remember we are not talking about a bunch of boy scouts here. Your defense of peaceful muslins is admirable however the Muslim world is neck deep in its own blood. They should be considered very dangerous unless otherwise noted. In fact its clear that the favorite targets of radical Muslims are peaceful Muslims or just everyday Joe Muslims that don't want to get with the program. They would probably speak out against their own who are dangerous if it didn't mean getting blown up more often.

Originally posted by buster2010
You took the time to copy and paste parts of the article but you never really read it did you?

I read it fully.

Originally posted by buster2010

From the link.

"We stand united with the rest of the country in sharing the deep sorrow and pain following the horrific senseless attack on Wednesday. "Our thoughts and prayers are with the family of Drummer Lee Rigby. We hope that the perpetrators of this crime, that is based on a twisted and warped ideology, are brought to justice. "Islam is a religion of compassion and peace; a religion which considers the killing of an individual akin to killing the whole of humankind. Such acts of violence, therefore, have absolutely no place in Islam and can never be justified."

Doesn't sound like a normal service to me.

Which part of that makes you think this wasn't just normal Friday prayers in which he was mentioned?

To say they 'gathered' to condemn the murder is the equivalent to me saying that over 40,000 people 'gathered' at Twickenham to sing the national anthem and coincidentally a rugby match took place.

reply to post by MarioOnTheFly

This part here shows it to be a lie.

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

Lying is forbidden in Islam. Notice the first part of the article.

Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Now let's see what 16:106 really says.

Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief... except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah , and for them is a great punishment

Notice how they leave out the part about being forced to lie? Islam hate site do this all the time.

Originally posted by neformore
reply to post by ollncasino

 

And what has that got to do with the article I posted?

Nothing.

At all.

But hey, thanks for trying to obfuscate the issue.

This is just one of many gatherings of its kind, and there has been a huge amount of condemnation of the attack from the muslim community. You just choose to ignore it because it doesn't stack up with your view of the world.

On the face of this you did mention just this one gathering and so it's a fair juxtaposition to compare the turn out against Google. It puts this particular gathering into the context of priorities as seen in the Muslim community in the UK.

I don't wish to stir the pot but this does not obfuscate, in fact it's true and therefore another part of the puzzle necessary to gauge these events impact on society.

As i said it's not the whole picture but more info is more info, so instead of asking for such info to be held back how about adding such about these other gathering across the nation?

Originally posted by theconspirator
reply to post by ollncasino

 

You either hate all muslims, or fear all muslims. Either way, you need to grow up and stop catagorizing entire populations together with the acts of a few bad men.

Nothing in his statement suggested he hates Muslims so why the witch hunt when someone questions the scenario put forward?

Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by buster2010
You took the time to copy and paste parts of the article but you never really read it did you?

I read it fully.

Originally posted by buster2010

From the link.

"We stand united with the rest of the country in sharing the deep sorrow and pain following the horrific senseless attack on Wednesday. "Our thoughts and prayers are with the family of Drummer Lee Rigby. We hope that the perpetrators of this crime, that is based on a twisted and warped ideology, are brought to justice. "Islam is a religion of compassion and peace; a religion which considers the killing of an individual akin to killing the whole of humankind. Such acts of violence, therefore, have absolutely no place in Islam and can never be justified."

Doesn't sound like a normal service to me.

Which part of that makes you think this wasn't just normal Friday prayers in which he was mentioned?

To say they 'gathered' to condemn the murder is the equivalent to me saying that over 40,000 people 'gathered' at Twickenham to sing the national anthem and coincidentally a rugby match took place.

So it's normal for the Imam to talk about a murder and how they want them to be brought to justice? Reread the article and this time try comprehending it.

If it wasn't for the rugby match then why would people be showing up to sing the anthem? Is this something that is normally done in the UK? Are the Brits known for just breaking out in song like the old Dr Pepper commercials?

Originally posted by CottonwoodStormy
Here is an example in America of an Iraqi-American-Muslim mother of 5 who was beaten to death in hate March 21st of this year. Did you go and protest condemning this crime? www.policymic.com...

You must think others have forgotten or are to lazy to search this case.

As it happens, I remember this story. I did condemn it, initially. But then, after seeing the daughter in a video after the attack and death, and feeling how fake it seemed. Her words and manner, that is. I started changing my mind.

This is NOT now considered a 'hate crime', as you wish us to believe. The SD police have arrested the father, charging him with the crime. This appears to be another of the compassionate religions 'honor killing'.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by theconspirator

You either hate all muslims, or fear all muslims. Either way, you need to grow up and stop catagorizing entire populations together with the acts of a few bad men.

But why does Islam produce so many bad men?

After all, we don't hear about Hindus chopping peoples' heads off in the street or Buddhists blowing spectators up at a race?

Is it perhaps because the aggressive fundamentalist Wahhabi school of Islam is being spread by Saudi Arabia money across the West?

Almost all (if not all) Muslim terrorists are Wahhabi or Salafi. Perhaps 80% of all mosques built in the last decade in the West have been financed by Saudi Wahhabi money.

Perhaps the miracle is that there hasn't been more terrorist attacks.

I think the point you make about Wahhabi funding is an interesting one. But regarding other faiths not being as violent i think you'll find many can be just as ferocious and hateful - India has seen it's share of violent acts carried out by Hindus in the name of religion and do i need to mention the Spanish Inquisition?

The question here is not 'Why aren't other religions as violent?', it is 'Why does the MSM report Muslim violence more than that of other religions?'

reply to post by buster2010


I've read the article.

Yes, they mentioned him. I've not argued that point.

My questions are simple. Was this was the normal Friday prayers in which he was mentioned or a special service? What is the usual attendance figure for Friday prayers?

Originally posted by buster2010

If it wasn't for the rugby match then why would people be showing up to sing the anthem? Is this something that is normally done in the UK? Are the Brits known for just breaking out in song like the old Dr Pepper commercials?

That's my point exactly, thank you for making it for me. If this wasn't normal Friday prayers would they have turned up to condemn?

And yes. We do it all the time.

In fact I'm singing as I type this. Along to a guy called Jon Boden. He's really very good.

reply to post by ollncasino

But why does Islam produce so many bad men?

After all, we don't hear about Hindus chopping peoples' heads off in the street or Buddhists blowing spectators up at a race?

What an inane thing to say

You choose Hindus and Buddhists as examples of the good immigrants, playing immigrants against each other to make points with your crew?

Lame

How many murders or other violent crimes are committed in your country (whichever one that really is casino - England or the U.S.?) each and every year?

You want people to believe they're in danger - because of the Muslims?

Like I said - it's a dog of an argument - and an argument for losers

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by xavi1000
They are pretending and lying !
Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them
www.thereligionofpeace.com...

edit on 27-5-2013 by xavi1000 because: (no reason given)

Sorry but your link which is nothing but Muslim hate site leaves parts out to fit it's agenda. A few seconds search shows it's nothing but a lie.

Buster you need to remember we are not talking about a bunch of boy scouts here. Your defense of peaceful muslins is admirable however the Muslim world is neck deep in its own blood. They should be considered very dangerous unless otherwise noted. In fact its clear that the favorite targets of radical Muslims are peaceful Muslims or just everyday Joe Muslims that don't want to get with the program. They would probably speak out against their own who are dangerous if it didn't mean getting blown up more often.

There are very few religions on this planet that aren't up to it's neck in blood. How many Christians do you hear or see on tv condemning the way America has been bombing Muslim nations for over 60 years? As the FBI has stated Jews commit more acts of terrorism in the states than the Muslims do but when was the last time you heard about one? People are being led to think Islam is such a threat by the media.