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Thousands of Muslims gather in London to condemn murder of soldier Lee Rigby

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posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by CottonwoodStormy
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That wasn't the point I was making, the point is did you go out and protest condemning this attack? I don't think so, and my point is it seems to be a one way street, and for any clash to be avoided requires understanding both ways. Plug your ears, close your eyes, don't want to hear it, don't want to see it, your guilty all of you Muslims has been a recurring theme throughout this thread and its disgusting.


It was exactly the point you were making. You were impying this was a racially/ideologically based attack and somehow comparable.

Please show where 'your (sic) guilty of all you Muslims has been a recurring theme throughout this thread' applies to me.

Thank you.




posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:37 AM
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Originally posted by Exitt

Originally posted by CottonwoodStormy

And how many events when Muslims have been murdered have you showed up for to condemn? Such hypocricy.


Is it really?

Because i remember a big event, not so long ago, a time when western armed troops were given the green light to invade Iraq - when millions were marching against it. There were protests in Russia, Balkans, Greece,Portugal, Austria, Germany, France, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, UK, USA, Latin America, Australia, Canada and all those little places in between.

Do you remember that hypocrisy? It's not like all those people had anything to do with armed invasion of Iraq, it's not like they could change the fact it was going to happen, but the fact we the people were against it meant something big - and it meant a lot to Iraqi citizens i am sure.

So, i really appreciate the fact these 5000 Muslim people did it. I need more, the world needs more.


That's good I agree, but I was responding to people who say 5000 Muslims weren't enough, they need to clean their house, they all want sharia law, they all support honor killings, they are all extremists, they aren't genuine, they want to take over the west and the list goes on and on as to the BS and hate going on throughout this thread.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:40 AM
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I live in Northern Ireland and went to a Catholic school because it was the only school that was close to me. And I have to agree with you. There have been people whom I've been friends with that didn't care about any of that but many more students from as young as 11 were already supporting the IRA and this was in 2005 years after the Good Friday Agreement. They had no idea about the history because they just refused to learn both sides of it. I moved here in 2005 from Slovakia I had no idea about the Troubles so I was able to learn the history as it was, but they refused to believe anything that would involve the IRA being the 'bad guys'. Our next door neighbours had children who were aged 4 and 5 and they were pretending to throw petrol bombs (waterballoons) at out windows and doors and chanting IRA songs. And now with the younger generation being so lazy that they don't want to go to school or work many more turn to these as they just don't have anything better to do. So yes still a large portion of the Catholic population will support the IRA or the RIRA or CIRA or any other group that will emerge.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by CottonwoodStormy
reply to post by khimbar
 


That wasn't the point I was making, the point is did you go out and protest condemning this attack? I don't think so, and my point is it seems to be a one way street, and for any clash to be avoided requires understanding both ways. Plug your ears, close your eyes, don't want to hear it, don't want to see it, your guilty all of you Muslims has been a recurring theme throughout this thread and its disgusting.


It was exactly the point you were making. You were impying this was a racially/ideologically based attack and somehow comparable.

Please show where 'your (sic) guilty of all you Muslims has been a recurring theme throughout this thread' applies to me.

Thank you.


Don't try to tell ME what point I was trying to make, I think its clear that if the foot were on the other shoe the shoe would drop for those who have made hateful comments throughout this thread, and that is who I am referring to. My example is an example of a hate crime yes, and my point was directed at someone in this thread as to whether they would show up to protest and condemn the murder of a Muslim. Don't try and confuse the issue. Your posting in this topic so you have made yourself part not me.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:43 AM
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Have you read all 12 pages of this thread?



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:44 AM
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Yes, why?



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by CottonwoodStormy

Don't try to tell ME what point I was trying to make, I think its clear that if the foot were on the other shoe the shoe would drop for those who have made hateful comments throughout this thread, and that is who I am
referring to.



I honestly don't know what this means.


Originally posted by CottonwoodStormy

My example is an example of a hate crime yes, and my point was directed at someone in this thread as to whether they would show up to protest and condemn the murder of a Muslim. Don't try and confuse the issue. Your posting in this topic so you have made yourself part not me.


You chose an example where you believed a muslim had been targeted due to her faith/ethnicity. All I did was point out your error.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:47 AM
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I don't understand why people immigrate to a country (and I don't mean all I just mean those to whom this applies) and refuse to oblige by the country's rules. I wouldn't go to say Iraq or Yemen cause I don't want to wear a burkha or be stoned for not wearing it. So why would someone like Adebalajo or any extremist who doesn't like the west doesn't like the government move to the west. They are just gonna make people feel hostile towards the religion/ethnicity etc. if they come here and try to change the country so that it fits their beliefs and their rules.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:47 AM
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Good then you know which posters I'm addressing and it wasn't you.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
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Form the first few pages I red...I can conclude the the ATS staff have joined in to defend the Muslim community




Its an interesting observation based on... what?

There are seventy seven ATS staff (and not all are active), and three of us have expressed an opinion here. I don't see that as representative.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:50 AM
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But why does Islam produce so many bad men?


a quick trip through out history will tell you this is nothing new.. even the Jews did it when the Romans took over.. Christians have done it and practically ever other religion does it.. if not all .. why are there extremist?... because people are free to choose what they truly believe is the truth plain & simple..that's IS just one of the Good fights we must fight and stand up for ..is the absolute truth .. getting both sides of the story..

Islam is no different than any other religion on earth, there will always be 'splinters' of the original 'tree trunk', and of course the media only shows one side.. the extremist side.. 90% of the time.. why.. because it's how they, MSM make $$$$$$..

Ever get ask a personal question from someone in another country and have them ask you .. "Why does American hate the world so much ??" it's because they are only shown one side of the story..



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by neformore

Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
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Form the first few pages I red...I can conclude the the ATS staff have joined in to defend the Muslim community




Its an interesting observation based on... what?

There are seventy seven ATS staff (and not all are active), and three of us have expressed an opinion here. I don't see that as representative.



I think you have been more about advocating peace and tolerance anyway no?



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:53 AM
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Just watched this Interview with the British "Home secretary", I think the point about Muslims
groups that whip up hatred and extremism , but say they do not support violence is long overdue.

Terresa May is goingto ban such groups!
About time too, next we can legaly deport them for breaking terror laws.. Hooray

www.independent.co.uk... nce-8632652.html



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:55 AM
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we're not talking about america. The muslim community there is far better intergrated than in europe. America doesnt have radical islamic hate preachers in any of its mosques. Its a totally different situation



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by PurpleDog UK
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neformore....
I have one question for you and it is this...
What would You do now with the murderers of Lee Rigby ?
Regards
PDUK


Well I'm not sure of the relevance to the thread per se, but my answer is this - as they are unquestionably verfiable as his killers and admit it, I would condone a death sentence for them if one existed in the UK. It doesn't though, so life in prison without possibility of release suits me.

I don't want clearly identifiable murderers on the streets and I don't see why I should have to pay for their upkeep as a tax payer (however I accept that I do, because its part of our democratically elected society's mandate not to have a death penalty), and I would say that for any case where a person who has taken another human life in cold blood and is 100% identifiable as the killer, irregardless of race or religious belief.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by Cayla19
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I don't understand why people immigrate to a country (and I don't mean all I just mean those to whom this applies) and refuse to oblige by the country's rules. I wouldn't go to say Iraq or Yemen cause I don't want to wear a burkha or be stoned for not wearing it. So why would someone like Adebalajo or any extremist who doesn't like the west doesn't like the government move to the west. They are just gonna make people feel hostile towards the religion/ethnicity etc. if they come here and try to change the country so that it fits their beliefs and their rules.


Islam ... Makes it clear in the Quran , that silent Invasion is part of the Muslim
doctrine and should be attempted whenever possible... in order to be a good mMuslim.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:59 AM
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The first questions in response is "What do these muslims want? More funds from the UK government to build their "peace-loving" community centres? Probably.

Secondly, I personally will never trust any person who places his or her religion as being higher than the law. How many muslims do you think would say that the law is more important than their religion? I suspect not many.

Conclusion: this paltry display is engineered for Liberal consumption and is a part of continued attempts to portray islamic people as being British. In my eyes they can never be that if they place islam above the law. IMHO.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 05:00 AM
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Britain should catagoricaly stop the Immigration of all Muslims to Britain,
and clean house with the unsavioury ones that are already living here.

Give no ground ..NONE.. when it comes to Sharia law in the UK.

otherwise I'm good with Muslims that live here.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 05:04 AM
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From the article you linked to.


Around five thousand Muslims gathered at Morden mosque on Friday to condemn the murder of 25-year-old soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich, south-east London.


This wasn't a special organised tribute then, this was normal Friday prayers? Why does the article try to make it look like a special event? Why does this thread try to make it look like it was a commemorative act when it was the normal prayer session not a specific gathering?


The gathering of British Muslims from across the country took place at Western Europe's largest Mosque.


As it's this, does anyone know the normal attendance, I be interested to see the difference? I'm assuming it was this one? The Baitul Futuh Mosque (House of Victories)?


edit on 27-5-2013 by khimbar because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 05:08 AM
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Originally posted by rigel4

Originally posted by Cayla19
reply to post by ollncasino
 


I don't understand why people immigrate to a country (and I don't mean all I just mean those to whom this applies) and refuse to oblige by the country's rules. I wouldn't go to say Iraq or Yemen cause I don't want to wear a burkha or be stoned for not wearing it. So why would someone like Adebalajo or any extremist who doesn't like the west doesn't like the government move to the west. They are just gonna make people feel hostile towards the religion/ethnicity etc. if they come here and try to change the country so that it fits their beliefs and their rules.


Islam ... Makes it clear in the Quran , that silent Invasion is part of the Muslim
doctrine and should be attempted whenever possible... in order to be a good mMuslim.


That's a lie, show me where in the Quran it says that? For the most part, alot of Muslims don't even care to leave their own countries, they are content to deal with their own internal issues and more and more see the corruption, unemployment, homelessness occurring in western bankrupt countries with elites taking more and more liberties away from all average citizens. Who is the police state now? The silent invasion is more like a silent retreat for a lot. Countries in Africa are stabilising, technology is booming and Europe's economy is failing. There has been a decrease in illegals migrating. migrantsatsea.wordpress.com...



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