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Thousands of Muslims gather in London to condemn murder of soldier Lee Rigby

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posted on May, 27 2013 @ 02:44 AM
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I think you have a valid case....


Intercultural integration is a pipe dream...




posted on May, 27 2013 @ 02:44 AM
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Slam dunk.
I mean, really.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 02:54 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 03:05 AM
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Enough is enough.

Islam has always been at least a network, and in many cases the law of the land for centuries.

If a bunch of morons seem to be radical enough to go out and hack people with cleavers, that would have rung the bell.

The fact that it didn't constitute in itself a proof that large portion of the Muslim network in the UK was complacent in the extremist movement that keeps killing the UK citizens. Or did it?

Later they will tell you they didn't mean it.

Fool me once, you know...



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posted on May, 27 2013 @ 03:12 AM
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All of the statisitcs I have presented are from respected polling organizations.
For instance, ICM Research, YouGov and Pew Research. I suspect that you just don't like what they present.


The stats by themselves are not the issue, rather its the conclusions one derives from it.
Refer to my 2 previous examples.

Going by the statistics approach, it should be a "fact" that whites or white Christians are more likely to kill each other in massive wars.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 03:14 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Is it perhaps because the aggressive fundamentalist Wahhabi school of Islam is being spread by Saudi Arabia money across the West?

Almost all (if not all) Muslim terrorists are Wahhabi or Salafi. Perhaps 80% of all mosques built in the last decade in the West have been financed by Saudi Wahhabi money.


Yes I think it's safe to say the Wahhabi cult mindset isn't a very tolerant one and it would be interesting to know the just how many British mosques are now under their control.



Undercover mosque

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This extensive investigation Dispatches reveals how a message of hatred and segregation is being spread throughout the UK and examines how it is influenced by the religious establishment of Saudi Arabia.

Dispatches has investigated a number of mosques run by high profile national organisations that claim to be dedicated to moderation and dialogue with other faiths. But an undercover reporter joined worshippers to find a message of religious bigotry and extremism being preached.

He captures chilling sermons in which Saudi-trained preachers proclaim the supremacy of Islam, preach hatred for non-Muslims and for Muslims who do not follow their extreme beliefs – and predict a coming jihad. “An army of Muslims will arise,” announces one preacher. Another preacher said British Muslims must “dismantle” British democracy – they must “live like a state within a state” until they are “strong enough to take over.”

The investigation reveals Saudi Arabian universities are recruiting young Western Muslims to train them in their extreme theology, then sending them back to the West to spread the word. And the Dispatches reporter discovers that British Muslims can ask for fatwas, religious rulings, direct from the top religious leader in Saudi Arabia, the Grand Mufti



It seems the Deobandi sect aren't a very tolerant lot either and the article below from the British broadsheet newspaper The Times mentions a police report which states that almost half of Britain’s mosques are under their control - that was back in 2007 so let's hope that figure hasn't gone up.



Hardline takeover of British mosques.


Riyadh ul Haq, who supports armed jihad and preaches contempt for Jews, Christians and Hindus, is in line to become the spiritual leader of the Deobandi sect in Britain. The ultra-conservative movement, which gave birth to the Taleban in Afghanistan, now runs more than 600 of Britain’s 1,350 mosques, according to a police report seen by The Times.


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Originally posted by neformore.

I've seen - and as staff had to react to - an awful lot of racism on here recently.


I'm sure many muslims are as appalled by the murder as everybody else and good for them - as one poster has already pointed out though, 'islam' is an opinion of the mind and not a geographical location.
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posted on May, 27 2013 @ 03:25 AM
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Can I say I welcome this a million percent, I have long said that normal Muslims MUST be seen to be condemning these attacks and the actions of the people and most of all saying this is not the face of the Islam they follow.

I hope this was broadcast by British media at prime time, it deserved to be..

Normal Muslims must be seen as that but they have a duty to make sure people know that these radicals are nothing to do with them and play by a different hymn sheet if you will. They as a community must do what they can to stop the young from being radicalised.

Yes radical Muslims is in the minority but like any other person seeking to do you harm for their ideal, one is too many...



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 03:40 AM
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My humble opinion is they prayed for Lee (RIP) & support the fact that it was an unacceptable act carried out by mad people.
Why is that so difficult to accept?
Mussies are humans too & feel like other humans about similar things.
Most of the peoples on this planet just want to live a peaceful & happy life.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 03:54 AM
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I have to agree with the very first poster, 5000 of them turned up to condemn a brutal, barbaric murder (that was carried out in the name of the religion they all claim is one of peace) in broad daylight in front of dozens of witnesses including women and children.

10,000 turn up to express hate and anger at google for a picture or whatever, proceed to burn stuff and scream and shout threats.

In my opinion that 1 fact kinda removes any feel good factor from this story.
Did they need to apologise? No
Should the community have collectively done something? Yes

5000 out of 4 million, without a calculator 0.1%.
What a great show of solidarity by the UKs Islamic population



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 03:57 AM
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Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
I have to agree with the very first poster, 5000 of them turned up to condemn a brutal, barbaric murder (that was carried out in the name of the religion they all claim is one of peace) in broad daylight in front of dozens of witnesses including women and children.

10,000 turn up to express hate and anger at google for a picture or whatever, proceed to burn stuff and scream and shout threats.

In my opinion that 1 fact kinda removes any feel good factor from this story.
Did they need to apologise? No
Should the community have collectively done something? Yes

5000 out of 4 million, without a calculator 0.1%.
What a great show of solidarity by the UKs Islamic population




And how many events when Muslims have been murdered have you showed up for to condemn? Such hypocricy.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:04 AM
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Here is an example in America of an Iraqi-American-Muslim mother of 5 who was beaten to death in hate March 21st of this year. Did you go and protest condemning this crime? www.policymic.com...



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:12 AM
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And for all those statistic lovers out there, "NON-MUSLIMS carried out more then 90% of all terrorist attacks on US soil according to FBI reports May 1st, 2013. According to this survey by the FBI, latinos committed 42% of terror attacks, followed by extremist left wing groups 24%, Jewish extremists 7%, Communists 5%, Others 16% and Islamists 6%. www.washingtonsblog.com... Wow people, get your facts straight to all you Muslim haters.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by CottonwoodStormy
Here is an example in America of an Iraqi-American-Muslim mother of 5 who was beaten to death in hate March 21st of this year. Did you go and protest condemning this crime? www.policymic.com...


From the article you linked to.


On the face of it, the murder of Shaima looks clearly like a hate crime. Inside the Muslim community, the conversation began first with prayers for the family and outrage at this religiously motivated attack, and then the disheartening realization that there was always a possibility it could have been a domestic assault staged to look like something else. Facebook feeds, blog posts, hushed exchanges began to quiet down as people decided to withhold judgment until more facts emerged.


And they eventually arrested her husband for it didn't they? And the suspicion is he killed her as she'd filed for divorce?

Not really the same.

Oh, and it was in 2012.
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posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:14 AM
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n

Going by the statistics approach, it should be a "fact" that whites or white Christians are more likely to kill each other in massive wars.


If you don't like statistics, how about a picture?




posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:21 AM
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This is goodnews now all they have to do is kick the extremists out of their communitys and all will be fine
(sigh)



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:21 AM
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That wasn't the point I was making, the point is did you go out and protest condemning this attack? I don't think so, and my point is it seems to be a one way street, and for any clash to be avoided requires understanding both ways. Plug your ears, close your eyes, don't want to hear it, don't want to see it, your guilty all of you Muslims has been a recurring theme throughout this thread and its disgusting.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:24 AM
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THIS is BS, again, you think the whole population of 1.3 billion Muslims in those countries are in jihad? Your clearly stereotyping.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:26 AM
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Hey, look here, no one group of people are perfect. The United States have the KKK, Black Panthers, White Panthers, Protestants, I would like to consider some government groups to be just as bad. Especially when it comes down the government secret projects like MKUltra and drugging people with '___' without telling them.

Muslims just have their sub-group of extremists as well. So, nothing to see here.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:30 AM
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Originally posted by CottonwoodStormy

And how many events when Muslims have been murdered have you showed up for to condemn? Such hypocricy.


Is it really?

Because i remember a big event, not so long ago, a time when western armed troops were given the green light to invade Iraq - when millions were marching against it. There were protests in Russia, Balkans, Greece,Portugal, Austria, Germany, France, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, UK, USA, Latin America, Australia, Canada and all those little places in between.

Do you remember that hypocrisy? It's not like all those people had anything to do with armed invasion of Iraq, it's not like they could change the fact it was going to happen, but the fact we the people were against it meant something big - and it meant a lot to Iraqi citizens i am sure.

So, i really appreciate the fact these 5000 Muslim people did it. I need more, the world needs more.



posted on May, 27 2013 @ 04:31 AM
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We didn't live in the same community as Anders Breivik so it would have been very hard to have even known the man let alone know his extremist views. I don't believe all muslims are terrorists, what I do believe is that they tend to be a close community therefore many will be aware of the extremists in their community. Suddenly after the attack on Drummer Lee Rigby some of the preachers (I'm not sure what the exact word is for them in Islam) told the BBC that Adebolajo did have extremist views and that he was a member of some organisation (I don't remember the exact name as I was watching it live.) The guy handed out radical leaflets to people. I'm not saying that all but definitely some knew about him and his extremism and they didn't say a word or tried to prevent this horrendous attack. I understand that some may have been afraid to speak up but the preacher could have said something.


R.I.P Drummer Lee Rigby



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