Profound Truth - Not Earned and Not Taken

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by vethumanbeing

 

One thing is for sure. We can question our answers. Only God can answer our questions.

Yes only We have the answers to Our Own questions.

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

You really need to stop smokescreening every dialog with scripture; unless you are John reincarnated, (that could be interesting). You are engaged/responded to because YOU have something to say (dont you). I have a relative that has forgotten to speak her mind, just quotes scripture as answers for/to the most mundane questions, a "how are you" response would be, "three days later Esther put on her royal robes and entered the inner court of the royal hall of the palroyal throne and when he saw the queen Esther standing there in inner court he welcomed her..."

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You cannot hear what is being said. The problem is not with me.

reply to post by vethumanbeing


That's great that you have realized the answer that is in front of all of us.

It's so simple, but the bible complicates it and shrouds it. We are in heaven and it is our kingdom, meaning we are in God's kingdom and we are God.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

But believing he died on the cross then rose from the dead is a REQUIREMENT to be saved. Something which is free requires nothing, that is the definition of free, no strings attached, no requirements to meet, nothing needs to be given in order to receive it. If you are OBLIGATED to believe he rose from the dead, then that is a requirement, and if there is something you must give (belief) then it is NOT free.

You are twisting the meaning of the word free by saying you must give something to receive salvation. That is not the definition of free, because nothing needs to be given, not even belief.

We are already in the bridal chamber, everyone. The Earth and physical existence is the bride, and we are already at the party, every single one of us. Your body is the "bridal chamber" of the spirit.

Father consciousness, Mother Earth (the bride of the Father). No need to believe anything because we are thrown into the bridal chamber the moment we are born, before we ever have a chance to believe anything.

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On this point you have not considered the alternative to belief. We are ALL salvaged from the material world if you want to get technical. This will ultimately be true to this degree:

Daniel 12:2

Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

The day for waking is now. We are all baptized into this generation (all 7 billion). See this thread: Link

You see, Paul said it here:

Acts 24

15 and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. 16 So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man.

He knew what Daniel knew. Both the righteous and wicked would be here to see Christ return.

Revelation 1:7

7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,”[a]
and “every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”
So shall it be! Amen.

Even the generation that pierced Christ will be here. All of them.

Paul, Jesus and Enoch all knew when as well. Enoch gave the countdown as 70 generations and outlined what Paul said in the very first verse of Enoch One.

1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be
2 living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. A

Again, both the wicked and righteous would be together to see New Jerusalem descend and to see judgment come to the Watchers.

Some to everlasting life. Others to everlasting contempt. New Jerusalem is an Ark. The saved will enter. Water is required. Fire is reserved for the wicked who are left when the stone is rolled from the tomb. Christ rises again. Entering the wedding feast is necessary for the gift to be given. We must be clothed in Christ (His Character).

Again, the answer is simple. To receive the gift, one must show up when it is given. It has yet to be given. Hebrews 9 makes it clear.

Hebrews 9

28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


Water is needed to enter new Jerusalem? Guess what the womb is filled with? Water. To enter into the new Jerusalem (new Earth), you must die then enter into the womb once again. Both the righteous and the wicked will resurrect (reincarnate) by being baptized in the water of the womb of their next "Earthly" mother.

You have been misled into believing a counterfeit truth that uses the real truth as its basis. To resurrect is to reincarnate and be "born again" through being submerged into the water (womb) of your mother. You have already resurrected, you just do not realize it because you have been taught to believe a lie based on truth.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

Water is needed to enter new Jerusalem? Guess what the womb is filled with? Water. To enter into the new Jerusalem (new Earth), you must die then enter into the womb once again. Both the righteous and the wicked will resurrect (reincarnate) by being baptized in the water of the womb of their next "Earthly" mother.

You have been misled into believing a counterfeit truth that uses the real truth as its basis. To resurrect is to reincarnate and be "born again" through being submerged into the water (womb) of your mother. You have already resurrected, you just do not realize it because you have been taught to believe a lie based on truth.

You need to make it out of the refinery first. Dross stays. It would be nice to see everyone make it, but I don't think this is nearly what scripture states. Care to back up what you are saying with scripture? I am often asked to speak from my own words instead of scripture. I prefer to back my words up with what is written. If I am wrong, then so is scripture. It could be that scripture is right and I do not read it correctly. Either way, If you are wrong, scripture can still stand since you are not using it. That is, unless you care to offer some and we can then speak of more than personal opinion.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


The scripture is wrong because it lies. It uses the truth as the basis for its lies, that is how Satan works, he masquerades as an angel of light. In this case, the angel of "light" is the bible.

If you want scripture then read where Jesus says you must be "born again", that is a direct reference to reincarnation, whether you like to admit it or not. All Christianity has done is twist the literal meaning of the phrase and turned it into something totally different. That is how they get people to believe, there is always a kernel of truth within a lie. The subconscious latches on to that kernel of truth, but it also latches onto the lie that surrounds that truth.

If you believe that in this world full of lies and deceit that they would allow the ultimate, so-called "truth" like the bible to spread like it has, then you are ignoring the world around you. They would never let the truth spread like you believe it has, NEVER.

Baptism is a euphemism for childbirth. We are already in the bridal chamber and the bride has been here all along, you just haven't realized it yet.

Father, Mother, Son. Father is consciousness, Mother is light, and the Son is wave/information. As you said earlier, we have the Trinity within us, but you believe in the counterfeit Trinity, the one created by those in power. The reason we pollute Mother Earth so much is because we were never taught about a Mother, only a Father. They didn't mention the Mother because they wanted to profit off of Her, and they have, greatly.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

The scripture is wrong because it lies.

Then don't use it to make your point. Stick to another source. I do not agree with your statement. As I can find no higher axiom above the Biblical narrative (And I have looked), I regard it as the best reflection we have of the true Living Word within us all. That's where I stand on it.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

If you want scripture then read where Jesus says you must be "born again", that is a direct reference to reincarnation, whether you like to admit it or not. All Christianity has done is twist the literal meaning of the phrase and turned it into something totally different. That is how they get people to believe, there is always a kernel of truth within a lie. The subconscious latches on to that kernel of truth, but it also latches onto the lie that surrounds that truth.

The Watchers knew a worthless mystery and named it the Mystery School. Enoch tells us the origin.

And now as to the Watchers who have sent thee to intercede for them, who had been aforetime in heaven, say to them: 3 "You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth." 4 Say to them therefore: " You have no peace."'

I agree that we will be born again into a new body. No doubt about it. You have read my threads and know where the Bible stands. Theology is a box we put God inside and call it ours. God cannot be taken. God is not a noun, He's a Verb, yet He is eternal and unchanging. No paradox there either.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

You really need to stop smokescreening every dialog with scripture; unless you are John reincarnated, (that could be interesting). You are engaged/responded to because YOU have something to say (dont you). I have a relative that has forgotten to speak her mind, just quotes scripture as answers for/to the most mundane questions, a "how are you" response would be, "three days later Esther put on her royal robes and entered the inner court of the royal hall of the palroyal throne and when he saw the queen Esther standing there in inner court he welcomed her...

Enochwasright[/]
You cannot hear what is being said. The problem is not with me.

No, I HEAR the problem; it is with John; your interpretation of it adds to the misinformation.

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