Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
How is number 2 not a paradox? Could you explain that simply? Because that's like saying you get a free banana but you have to donate $2 to the banana
fund first to get it. It's not free if you have to pay some kind of fee for it, no matter what that fee is labeled.
If Jesus doesn't demand anything for salvation, then why does he demand we believe he died on the cross then rose from the dead?
Unless you explain how it is not a paradox, then it is one.
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Nothing can be given unless it is first earned. A gift is the possession of the one giving it until it is given. Clearly, the Bible instructs that
the gift is given by Christ, but not before a person has been given faith by God. God imparts faith and it is His position in the process to provide
the mechanism for faith to blossom. Christ did what no man can do, therefore earning the honor of Name above every names and King of kings.
Abraham was asked to give up his son Issac as a sacrifice. God stopped it from happening when he knew that Abraham was willing. In this sequence of
events, God initiates the request. Abraham answered, "Here I am Lord." Before this episode, Abraham was Abram. The 'Hey' in his name was not yet
given by God. The H added to his name is the Hebrew letter Hey and the pictograph meaning, "Behold a great work." The pictograph looks like a man
with his hands outstretched to God. See it here: HEY
This calling by God is also our receiving of God's request. We must answer or nothing is received. Faith requires our faithfulness, but it also
implies our trust of God's goodness in the request. When Abraham was willing to give up his most prized possession, God never wanted him to give it
up. The faith allowed Abraham to have Issac as a Son allowing the promise of a great nation as the result in the future. God always works for us
into the future, but this is an entrusted relationship.
Now, go back and read John 2
23 Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name.[d] 24 But Jesus would
not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people. 25 He did not need any testimony about mankind, for he knew what was in each person.
Consider the many people living 2000 years ago as they came to Jesus in faith. What did Jesus know that they did not? "You must be born again." He
knew it was not yet time to entrust the relationship at this time. We are all called to Baptism and baptism is our immersion into a unique person's
life. We are all snowflakes in a way. Each life shows us what we need for the next. To determine the next, our present life must look to the one
that gave it. If not, no gift is given that remotely resembles salvation from the process. The GIFT is given when we are no longer children of God,
but rather, raised to our inheritance. In Hebrew culture, the inheritance is given to the child when he becomes a man and no sooner.
Many people refuse faith and the Father allows them to be a prodigal for a period of time. That period is coming to a close very soon. We must come
back home or no inheritance is given. The gift is only given to the child that becomes a man and once again has a relationship to his Father.
What else do you expect? Should the Father go track the prodigal down in the swine pit he choose to occupy? He does this for us. Should the son
grow up and come back to his loving home with humility before his Father? In this case, the Father is worthy of this deference.
Of all Fathers, God is above any you can imagine. You cannot possibly love your own children more than God loves us. He loves us enough to plead
with us to come back, but an unrepentant Son curses his Father's requests. He remains where he ends his path. It's a choice of pride over love and
humility required to come back.
The story does not end here. As we are really speaking of the Son of God here and not simply humanity, we already know that THE Son of God has
returned to the side with His Father. As the Church, we are the body of Christ here on Earth. His work 2000 years ago is now ours. Taking the name
of Christ is becoming part of that body. I willingly take that cup, fully knowing what is coming to it at the hands of the wicked. Persecution,
beatings, beheadings and death at the hands of those who will suffer hell. It's already beginning. What do you suppose will happen when the NWO
finally makes their move on the world stage? Who do you suppose will suffer?
I take the gift knowing what my future holds. We are lambs to the slaughter. As such, we will rule and reign with Christ on the other side.
Quite a gift.
5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to
blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy
people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the
beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
10 “If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed[c] with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”[d]
This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people.
Why would I accept such a gift? Because its the right thing to do and no more. Truth is worth standing for and loved ones are worth saving. Christ
did the same for us--His Church. Taking the name requires the character or its taken in vain.
Now, back to Abraham. What did God do just before the Son would suffer sacrifice? The scapegoat was provided. Who do you suppose that will be when
Christ returns a second time? The faithful? We receive the gift, not wrath. It only goes to the one that it is entrusted to. We are all sinners,
equally charged as thieves. Faith allows a repentant heart to turn to God with love. God entrusts Himself to the Son and the Son entrusts Himself to
his faithful church.
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
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