reply to post by semperfortis
I found the discussion on the attack by the two Somali immigrants against the British military person severely wanting.
First, calling the victim a hero makes no sense. What did this person do that was so heroic? I mean no disrespect to the dead soldier/airman(?), but
getting killed on the street by a couple of guys with machetes does not make anybody a hero. Period. Attempting to paint such victims as heroes is
just part of the ongoing militaristic propaganda that militaristic states like the US and the UK try to perpetuate. It's just like how anymore we
call all our military members "warriors", like they're some sort of noble fighting person. What a joke. What western soldiers are doing in
foreign countries is the equivalent of Spanish conquistadors with firearms, and steel swords and armor, cannons and cavalry slaughtering the
indigenous peoples in the Americas.
Then one commenter makes the claim that the attackers made some sort of false claim that they had done this attack to support their brothers in
Afghanistan. Said commenter seemed to imply because they weren't Afghani or located closer to Afghanistan, that this was somehow a false claim on
their part. Yet this same commenter likes to always defend Israel, and I am sure if some country were to attack Israel, he would be all for the US
attacking Israel. So it is okay for some people to support the people of another country far away, but it is not alright for others to do the same.
Quite the double standard.
These attackers were labeled as "animals" because of the viciousness of the attack. Well they attacked a member of the armed forces -- a man no
less. They didn't attack women or children. They didn't desecrate the corpse by pissing on it, like American troops do. They attacked in person,
in hand to hand combat. They didn't use long-range, high-tech weapons. This same commenter says that it was "cowardly" of these two guys to
attack in such a manner, but he has said we should drop a nuclear bomb on Syria and that we should attack Iran. He also seems to think it is fine for
the US and the UK to invade countries and to kill civilians in those countries by the hundreds and thousands -- often in very cowardly ways, i.e. by
drones, cruise missiles, air support, artillery and snipers, but for individuals to make reprisal attacks is somehow cowardly. What a joke.
Apparently Americans and British soldiers have the right to kill anyone anywhere, but no one has a right to fight back against them in Britain or
America, because that just isn't playing fair. Again, what a crock, what a double standard.
Would this attack by these two men have taken place if the US and the UK haven't been killing Muslims in Afghanistan -- including many innocent women
and children -- for the last dozen years? I seriously don't think so, and I challenge anyone who claims otherwise to make a convincing argument to
back up his/her claim.
Another host said that the most horrifying aspect of this attack was how the attackers approached other people on the street to proclaim their
achievement and take their picture. These two guys were obviously making a statement, and they were honorable enough to stand up for what they did.
That sure is a lot better than some drone pilot in the US attacking first responders and/or funeral services for an initial drone attack thousands of
miles away. Secondary attacks such as these are the hallmark of terrorist attacks, and now it turns out US contractors -- not even US military
personnel -- are using terrorist tactics.
I find these drone attacks to be much more horrifying than some in-person machete attack. I guess some people feel otherwise because out of sight is
out of mind. You want horrifying attacks, just look at video footage of combat by US/NATO forces -- such as the helicopter shooting at journalists
trying to helping civilians who were shot by the same helicopter (this was one of the videos leaked by Wikileaks and Private Manning). Check out the
gore was the aftermath of US cruise missile and air attacks in Iraq -- people with their heads sheared in two and gray, crushed babies and
The ATS LIve Show hosts that can't see this attack as a case of chickens coming home to roost, or what's good for the goose is good for the gander
evidently don't understand that human beings everywhere don't care for members of their tribes and/or ethnic groups being killed by another group,
and sometimes they fight back. It's almost as if the humanity of these "foreigners" or "others" is not considered. This is the attitude that
allows for the banality of evil that has been part and parcel to every evil, violent power in history.