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Does this not sound like the parable of the prodigal son.
Originally posted by windword
Here's a comedic reaction from the self proclaimed "America's most famous Catholic", and the "Pope of Cable TV," Steven Colbert:
Colbert: If atheists can go to heaven, I want my Catholicism refunded
Was all that time on his knees as an altar boy for nothing? he asked. All the standing and sitting and kneeling every Sunday? Ash Wednesday, in which, he said, that smudge on his forehead, he thought, was “the hand-stamp for Club Heaven?”
“After busting my apse in the vineyard of the Lord,” he said, “some godless good guy can just swoop in at the eleventh hour and and get redeemed? I want a refund!”
Originally posted by charles1952
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The other thing he said was " . . . but I say to you." Jesus repeats the Jewish teachings as based in Moses. That was as great as an authority as there was. Then he pops off with, "Forget that. I'm telling you the real truth." Here's a reaction from a writer.
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
-- Genesis 49:10
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by charles1952
Birlliant. Awesome post.
Jesus left no room for any other interpretation or than he actually was who he said he was, C.S. Lewis makes the same point again and drives it home with the liar, madman, badman, or, authentic honest humble servant sent from God, argument.
"I am the true vine."
"I am the good shephard."
"I am the light of life."
"I am the bread of life."
"I am the resurrection and the life."
"I am the gatefold."
"No one comes to the father but by me."
He did this on purpose, and did not leave the option to call him simply a good man or a moral teacher, because of all things he was entirely honest, and sincere.
What a MARVEL! (shouting!)
Best regards,
NAM
edit on 24-5-2013 by NewAgeMan because: (no reason given)
And ofcóurse he appeals to everyone who hears this... - who dóesnt want to get saved ?
But it dont work like that.
Next official statement will be from him : "also aliens are saved ' .
Bet?
It's a bold statement from anyone. He was tried in a Jewish court with Jewish judges, on Jewish charges, yet He wasn't a Jew?
He didn't rely on the teaching of Moses... in fact he went against what Moses said in many cases...
He even said "all that came before me were thieves and robbers" which is a bold statement coming from a so called Jew....
Shaye I.D. Cohen:
Samuel Ungerleider Professor of Judaic Studies and Professor of Religious Studies Brown University
Was Jesus Jewish and, if he was, how would that have influenced his experiences as a young man growing up in Galilee?
Was Jesus a Jew? Of course, Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogues. He preached from Jewish text, from the Bible. He celebrated the Jewish festivals. He went on pilgrimage to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem where he was under the authority of priests.... He lived, was born, lived, died, taught as a Jew. This is obvious to any casual reader of the gospel text.
What's striking is not so much that he was a Jew but that the gospels make no pretense that he wasn't. The gospels have no sense yet that Jesus was anything other than a Jew. The gospels don't even have a sense that he came to found a new religion, an idea completely foreign to all the gospel text, and completely foreign to Paul. That is an idea which comes about only later.
So, to say that he was a Jew is saying a truism, is simply stating an idea that is so obvious on the face of it, one wonders it even needs to be said. But, of course, it does need to be said because we all know what happens later in the story, where it turns out that Christianity becomes something other than Judaism and as a result, Jesus in retrospect is seen not as a Jew, but as something else, as a founder of Christianity. But, of course, he was a Jew.
The Jews that formed His community believed he said He was God. We've now got eyewitnesses saying He claimed to be God.
And by the way... He was executed for that very reason... Calling himself the son of God is the same as saying you're God in the Judaic belief set... Even to this day they will not associate anything with God... they won't even type the word God...
It's a bold statement from anyone. He was tried in a Jewish court with Jewish judges, on Jewish charges, yet He wasn't a Jew?
Are you getting more tolerant in your old age?
I don't know Akragon, but it sure looks to me like He was Jewish. And for a Jew to say those things we have the problem clearly expressed above. Demon, Madman, or God. I know where I'm putting my money.
Do you mean the label of Jew? I suppose He did accept it. He accepted the label of male, and even the label of baby when He was born. He spent thirty years with nothing being recorded indicating that He wasn't a Jew.
Do you believe Jesus accepted labels made by man?
I don't see why it should restrict Him. Nor should it restrict Jews from being cutting edge philosophers or scientists.
And if per chance you do... Do you believe said label restricts him from knowing what is truth?
Isn't that a claim that he is God?
considering he said I AM the truth?
And I'll bet you've never broken a law. I certainly haven't, I'm a good boy
Well if he was a jew... he wasn't a very good one.. breaking laws and stuff... Geez
Do you mean the label of Jew? I suppose He did accept it.
He accepted the label of male, and even the label of baby when He was born.
He spent thirty years with nothing being recorded indicating that He wasn't a Jew.
I don't see why it should restrict Him. Nor should it restrict Jews from being cutting edge philosophers or scientists.
Isn't that a claim that he is God?
You might not be getting old, Akragon, but I sure am. This one has left Mr. Confusion in the dust. When you come to visit me in the Old Folk's Home, smuggle in a bottle of Scotch, will you? My brain is giving up the ghost (Not the Holy Ghost, that's another discussion.)
And I'll bet you've never broken a law. I certainly haven't, I'm a good boy
I'm sorry to do this, but I have a couple of small thoughts to express. I admire your willingness to go wherever the argument takes you, even if it's to the proposition that Jesus was a non-observant Jew. That shows courage, good for you.
That takes you to the position that Jesus was a sinner, He violated His religious laws. I think that one won't win you any of those popularity points you so desperately crave.
My third thought is that I don't have the brain power to do it tonight. Besides, I have to be part of a mystic, religious ceremony tomorrow, and I have to be on the road by 8 A.M. with robes and other symbols. Let me try this tomorrow afternoon or evening, if you don't mind.
If he was running around violating His religious rules, how come Jews followed Him, and called Him "Rabbi," and "good?" -
even if it's to the proposition that Jesus was a non-observant Jew. That shows courage, good for you.
That takes you to the position that Jesus was a sinner, He violated His religious laws. I think that one won't win you any of those popularity points you so desperately crave.