London Woolwich Murder - Things That Seem Odd

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posted on May, 24 2013 @ 09:36 AM
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Apologies if this is in the wrong area, but as I read more about this terrible event, it poses more questions than answers. Does anyone else feel the same?

Let me begin by saying that when the MSM report on things like this, I almost immediately tend to distrust the 'truth' I am being told and try to get answers for myself. In this instance, all the info I have is via the MSM - for now.

Anyway, these are the questions that I hope will see answers soon:-

1) Why did these guys mount the sidewalk and hit this guy first? Was he a target? Did they already know him or was this random?
2) So they killed him in a terrible manner in broad daylight in a public place. Why? Why not bundle him into the car and do it elsewhere?
3) After the event they hung around? Why? They stayed at the scene for a full 20 minutes.
4) The 48yo woman who spoke to them to try to calm them down went to great lengths to explain in her statement that the were not drugged or drunk, like she was pre-empting that question.
5) The police took 20 minutes to arrive, and those that did arrive first were heavily armed. HOW?! WHY?! London is always crawling with (unarmed) police - why were no patrol/beat police on the scene first? This to me is the biggest question.
6) Armed police are stringently trained to shoot as an absolute last resort. Yes, the killers rushed them, but I am more surprised that an armed unit appeared first.
7) London absolutely bristles with CCTV cameras. BRISTLES! Where is that footage?
8) In the video, the killer speaks with a clear British accent (if he was not born in the UK, he was most certainly raised there), yet he talks about 'his country'.

This event has already incited racial hatred. The English Defence League are up in arms and mosques have already been attacked (but no arrests made). I just have the deep-down feeling that events like this might possibly be 'staged' in order to achieve some higher agenda. The poor guy that lost his life was, in many respects, the perfect victim to raise further anger - a young dad, a two-tours-of-duty army hero, supporting a charity. Could you pick a more perfect figure to be taken down in such a cowardly and sickening attack?

My heart truly goes out to his family and loved ones.

It is apparent that this is not the last we will hear as more news emerges. However, something tells me there is more here than meets the eye. Only last week, I read that in just ten years Islam will be the dominant religion in the UK. Perhaps this event is meant to redress that imbalance?

Does anyone else think there's more to this? Or was it really a sick, random act carried out by a couple of nutters?




posted on May, 24 2013 @ 09:42 AM
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Not every single major event has to be a conspiracy you know.

Over 6 billion people in the world so you'd have to assume that maybe there might be a few nut cases out there who do something on their own without being directed to do so by the NWO or whatever group you think is running the world orders them to do.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 09:44 AM
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I know they guy who filmed one of the videos of the killer talking.

He sold 15mins of footage to the sun for 20k.

This did happen, but the government will twist it to fit their agenda.

Just last week, home secretary Teresa may announced tougher scentances(life in prison, no parole) for anyone who murders a on duty police officer, I'm wondering if they will spread that to cover police and soldiers, on and off duty.
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posted on May, 24 2013 @ 09:45 AM
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What happened in woolwich? I keep seeing that on ats? Whats so special about it?



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 09:46 AM
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In order not to create too many threads, is it not possible to add this one to here? :

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Kindest respects

Rodinus



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 09:51 AM
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A couple of days ago, a serving soldier was hacked to death using knives and meat cleavers by two guys who claimed to be Muslim extremists... Cue everyone going nuts about it on Facebook and Twitter but nothing will actually happen action-wise because the British are pathetic.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 09:55 AM
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In front of everyone?



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 09:57 AM
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reply to post by Rodinus
 


Because he is talking about the weird stuff about the story, that thread is talking about fake blood.


Kindest Respects

Casualboy
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posted on May, 24 2013 @ 10:03 AM
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How about the fact that they started to engage in polite conversation with onlookers after the fact, then pose for photo ops...


"Its coool its cool"

"Sorry to the ladies who had to see this"...

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posted on May, 24 2013 @ 10:06 AM
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reply to post by Rodinus
 


No, because that thread focuses on possible tampering of the video to make it look like he had more blood on his hands, where as I am asking broader questions about the event overall.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 10:10 AM
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1) Why did these guys mount the sidewalk and hit this guy first? Was he a target? Did they already know him or was this random?


It was outside a barracks, the guy was wearing a help the heros t-shirt, people in the services are quite easy to distinguish from others....to me at least so i assume others also see it



2) So they killed him in a terrible manner in broad daylight in a public place. Why? Why not bundle him into the car and do it elsewhere?

They wanted to become martyrs for their cause, they wanted as much publicity as possible...hence asking people to film and picture them



3) After the event they hung around? Why? They stayed at the scene for a full 20 minutes.


Same as number 2, they wanted to be killed by the police, it makes them martyrs to their cause.



4) The 48yo woman who spoke to them to try to calm them down went to great lengths to explain in her statement that the were not drugged or drunk, like she was pre-empting that question.


They are questions only witnesses could answer, and fairly relevant.



5) The police took 20 minutes to arrive, and those that did arrive first were heavily armed. HOW?! WHY?! London is always crawling with (unarmed) police - why were no patrol/beat police on the scene first? This to me is the biggest question.


Why were they armed?? ARE YOU JOKING!!!? One of the guys had a gun...and they both just hacked a man to death in the public view...why send beat bobbies to a potentially dangerous scene? Once the police know someone has a gun the only officers permitted to approach are armed police...makes sense to most of us. Do you really think an unarmed officer would have fared well with the attackers? Im pretty sure they would have been told not to approach the scene and wait for the armed units.




6) Armed police are stringently trained to shoot as an absolute last resort. Yes, the killers rushed them, but I am more surprised that an armed unit appeared first.


You are silly if you think the commanders, sergeants and people coordinating the police would send unarmed police to armed, dangerous crime scene. They just killed a man in a terrible brutal way, no way would anyone in the higher ranks of the police put their officers in danger knowing the situation.



7) London absolutely bristles with CCTV cameras. BRISTLES! Where is that footage?


Its a day after ffs! And you arent entitled to it anyway. What makes you think you are entitled to the footage before its analyzed by the police???




8) In the video, the killer speaks with a clear British accent (if he was not born in the UK, he was most certainly raised there), yet he talks about 'his country'.


AND?? whats that got to do with anything? He is talking about his "people"....muslims. His homeland refers to islamic nations. He refers to the ongoing war in afghanistan, but he is not afghani. He is a brainwashed psycho who believes what he did was justified.

Stop with this bs!!! Its deeply offending, and just makes you lot look like idiots. Everything is a conspiracy, there are no real nutters out there, they are all actors...grow up!!



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by eonpeon
reply to post by Rodinus
 


No, because that thread focuses on possible tampering of the video to make it look like he had more blood on his hands, where as I am asking broader questions about the event overall.


Fair enough Casualboy and Eon,

Just thought i would suggest that because you know what happened with Guns, Sandy Hook and Boston...

The whole of the ATS main page was filled with these subjects... leading to "rants and arguments" galore and many threads being closed for staff review as people tended to get quite hot and bothered...

But whatever.

Kindest respects

Rodinus
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posted on May, 24 2013 @ 10:44 AM
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There are a whole host of odd things about this event including the video we have so far been shown.
There is a witness speaking on camera who's account of the events differ from the 'official' story. The witness states that the 'killers' WALKED to the police car when it arrived and they immediately got out and shot both men. The media are telling us that they 'ran' toward the police cars 'wielding their weapons'.
That witness states that it was his friends mother who sat next to the body, and in his own words "she tried to 'comfort' the man on the ground". Tell me this. How in the hell do you 'comfort' someone who's head is supposedly hanging off ?
There is a great deal to be addressed regarding this incident and so far things don't add up.
I tried to find the interview online again but haven't so far. I'll link it when i find it.
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posted on May, 24 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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FFS

There were Police there within 8/9 mins but they felt they were not able to DEAL with the cowardly murders so armed Police arrived 20 mins later. As their range rover pulled up the COWARDS ran towards the vehicle (as seen on the Daily Mirror film footage) and the Police shot them............ not to kill but to incapacitate.


The COWARDS who were shot are a product of the warped minds of a few extremeists (Anjem_Choudary & others) and deserve a suitable HUMILATION as a deterrent to others..........

These Extrmeists THRIVE on honour and recognition as 'soldiers' of Islam....they should be HUMILIATED...



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by sayzaar
There are a whole host of odd things about this event including the video we have so far been shown.
There is a witness speaking on camera who's account of the events differ from the 'official' story. The witness states that the 'killers' WALKED to the police car when it arrived and they immediately got out and shot both men. The media are telling us that they 'ran' toward the police cars 'wielding their weapons'.
That witness states that it was his friends mother who sat next to the body, and in his own words "she tried to 'comfort' the man on the ground". Tell me this. How in the hell do you 'comfort' someone who's head is supposedly hanging off ?
There is a great deal to be addressed regarding this incident and so far things don't add up.
I tried to find the interview online again but haven't so far. I'll link it when i find it.
edit on 24-5-2013 by sayzaar because: (no reason given)


Wrong, wrong and wrong....you are wrong about everything you wrote!!!

The guys DID run at the police



The woman probably didnt see the whole hacking thing and thought he was alive. His head wasnt hanging off!

I suggest you, and the other misinformed disrespectful lunatics look at all the information, rather than making stuff up because you are too ignorant to look for all the facts!! You dont have a clue what went on by the sound of things, like all the others claiming "it doesnt look right, it doesnt add up". Sadly, many of you are lost causes and no evidence will be enough to put your crazy minds at rest.

I also suggest if you want all the information in police investigations to apply to become a police officer, work your way up the ranks, and then, you will be able to see the information. Problem is, they only accept people who are sane, so i think many of you have little to no chance of becoming even a PCSO.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by eonpeon
8) In the video, the killer speaks with a clear British accent (if he was not born in the UK, he was most certainly raised there), yet he talks about 'his country'.

Yeah... you make some good points, except #8.

Do you honestly think the government is going to release CCTV footage of a soldier who had his head whacked off? The only people who would be willing to watch it are the weirdos like me who frequent websites like Ogrish and Liveleak.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by Casualboy100
In front of everyone?


Have you heard of this wee thing called google?!

lol sorry, had to


Man have you been out partying hard or what. I remember the days when I could go out on a friday night and wake up a wednesday morning and turn on the telly. Riots in the US, war in the Middle East.. it was all par for the course back in the day, one minute you're thinking "This bourbon is sickly... luckily I can wash it down with this vodka." the next you're grabbing the remote with a stale-mouthed gape smeared across your head, and wiping the bits of sunday morning out of your eyes as you roll over the empty pizza boxes you made into a sort of smashingly comfortable, if smelly, bed. Wondering if somehow you caused enough brain damage that suddenly normal innocuous news now takes on a sinister tone and appears to be violence and end of the world stuff, or if.. if it's really happening. And you drown they dryness of your throat with a doublea Eno, and egg sandwich, thinking "I'm never drinking again." as you load up a BBS and log onto the Sigs and check for any new private messages from the rest of the group who hopefully managed to make it home.

Either that or you need to turn on the telly just a little bit once in a while


Oo



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by Xaphan

Originally posted by eonpeon
8) In the video, the killer speaks with a clear British accent (if he was not born in the UK, he was most certainly raised there), yet he talks about 'his country'.

Yeah... you make some good points, except #8.

Do you honestly think the government is going to release CCTV footage of a soldier who had his head whacked off? The only people who would be willing to watch it are the weirdos like me who frequent websites like Ogrish and Liveleak.


Cut your tongue out. Liveleak ruined Ogrish.

There wasn't a lot of new stuff on Ogrish the other day. unless it got buried quickly. Just the currently circulating video of the cowards on camera.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 11:58 AM
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For your information you meanie i do watch the news and i didn't see jack about this story. Also I get all the news from this website as well. I didn't take interest in the thread about woolwich when it was on. Also, I don't drink and I don't ever plan to drink in mylife cause of what i've seen it do to people, I jog every morning and my room is clean, I barely eat pizzza only when my my mom wants to buy it. I also don't have any friends to party with so I doubt i will ever wake up not knowing what i just did the day before.

jerk



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by AmberLeaf



1) Why did these guys mount the sidewalk and hit this guy first? Was he a target? Did they already know him or was this random?


It was outside a barracks, the guy was wearing a help the heros t-shirt, people in the services are quite easy to distinguish from others....to me at least so i assume others also see it



2) So they killed him in a terrible manner in broad daylight in a public place. Why? Why not bundle him into the car and do it elsewhere?

They wanted to become martyrs for their cause, they wanted as much publicity as possible...hence asking people to film and picture them



3) After the event they hung around? Why? They stayed at the scene for a full 20 minutes.


Same as number 2, they wanted to be killed by the police, it makes them martyrs to their cause.



4) The 48yo woman who spoke to them to try to calm them down went to great lengths to explain in her statement that the were not drugged or drunk, like she was pre-empting that question.


They are questions only witnesses could answer, and fairly relevant.



5) The police took 20 minutes to arrive, and those that did arrive first were heavily armed. HOW?! WHY?! London is always crawling with (unarmed) police - why were no patrol/beat police on the scene first? This to me is the biggest question.


Why were they armed?? ARE YOU JOKING!!!? One of the guys had a gun...and they both just hacked a man to death in the public view...why send beat bobbies to a potentially dangerous scene? Once the police know someone has a gun the only officers permitted to approach are armed police...makes sense to most of us. Do you really think an unarmed officer would have fared well with the attackers? Im pretty sure they would have been told not to approach the scene and wait for the armed units.




6) Armed police are stringently trained to shoot as an absolute last resort. Yes, the killers rushed them, but I am more surprised that an armed unit appeared first.


You are silly if you think the commanders, sergeants and people coordinating the police would send unarmed police to armed, dangerous crime scene. They just killed a man in a terrible brutal way, no way would anyone in the higher ranks of the police put their officers in danger knowing the situation.



7) London absolutely bristles with CCTV cameras. BRISTLES! Where is that footage?


Its a day after ffs! And you arent entitled to it anyway. What makes you think you are entitled to the footage before its analyzed by the police???




8) In the video, the killer speaks with a clear British accent (if he was not born in the UK, he was most certainly raised there), yet he talks about 'his country'.


AND?? whats that got to do with anything? He is talking about his "people"....muslims. His homeland refers to islamic nations. He refers to the ongoing war in afghanistan, but he is not afghani. He is a brainwashed psycho who believes what he did was justified.

Stop with this bs!!! Its deeply offending, and just makes you lot look like idiots. Everything is a conspiracy, there are no real nutters out there, they are all actors...grow up!!


I have given you a star, you wrote exactly what I was thinking, the only difference is my post would have been removed.

No conspiracy or false flag here folks, just Muslim fanatics running amuck, and a weak minded Government letting it happen.





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