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Phi, Pi, etc

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posted on Nov, 5 2004 @ 11:48 PM
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I wasn't sure as of where to put this, so if this is in the wrong forum, sorry.

I'm curious about Phi, Pi and all these strange numbers.

Can someone explain to me all of the examples of where Phi and Pi exist in?

Also, are there any other numbers like those two that appear in nature more often than not?

Thanks a lot for the help.




posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 03:47 AM
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Originally posted by Romanakis
I wasn't sure as of where to put this, so if this is in the wrong forum, sorry.

I'm curious about Phi, Pi and all these strange numbers.

Can someone explain to me all of the examples of where Phi and Pi exist in?


Well, I don't know about ALL examples, but I'll be more than happy to explain some of them. Let's start with Phi/phi, also known as the Golden Number, Golden Ratio, etc. Phi = 1.618... & phi = 0.618...

One way you can find Phi is by solving:
Squareroot of 5 plus 1, divided 2
or
(Sqrt(5)+1)/2 = 1.6180...

The Fibonacci Numbers can also be used to approximate a value for Phi by division of 2 consecutive Fibonacci Values: For example:
13/8 = 1.625
89/55 = 1.6181818...
233/144 = 1.6180555...

Phi/phi is considered by many to be Divine as it is found everywhere within nature & life. Many people consider it to be some kind of Mathematical Signature of the Creative Force of God within the Universe. Below is a simple .gif animation I made that kind of illustrates that idea.


Here are some other sites you should check out for more info. Some deal with the Mathematics of Phi/phi while some deal more with the Philisophical and Historical impact. Enjoy...
GoldenNumber.Net - The Phi Source
goldennumber.net...

Mathworld - Golden Ratio
mathworld.wolfram.com...

THE GOLDEN RATIO
www.geocities.com...

Here are some interesting links for Pi:
History of Pi
www-groups.dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk...

Ancient Pi - Knowers of the Universe
www.earthmatrix.com...

A Fuller Explanation - The Synergetic Geometry of R. Buckminster Fuller: Chapter 2, The Irrationality of Pi
www.angelfire.com...


Also, are there any other numbers like those two that appear in nature more often than not?


Try looking up info about 'Number Theory' for starters. Following the links I've provided above should also point you in the right direction. Have fun!!

"Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." - Galileo Galilei



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 10:31 AM
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been covered like 870 thousand times here. search is your friend.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by spangbr
been covered like 870 thousand times here. search is your friend.


While I do agree with you spangbr the same could be said for about 90% of the topics on this board. Illuminati, God, Area 51, Reptilians, UFO's, NWO, etc...etc...etc...

All of 'em, "been covered like 870 thousand times here."

Honestly, I think the problem could be greatly if not totally removed from this board if posters of 'new' topics would take more time in explaining and detailing what it is that they are wanting to discuss or get help on. For example, with this topic here. I imagine Romanakis actually has a question or theory or whatever that is much more elaborate than he explained in his post.

The basic understanding of Phi & Pi and Irrationals, etc. can be found easily in a second all over the web. So I have to assume that since they bothered posting a topic which they could have answered for themselves in just a second at google, they are either 'Stupid and Lazy' or 'Failed to fully express the real meaning of their post'. So for now I'm going with choice number 2.

I try and atleast give others the benefit of the doubt, until they prove different. Kinda like an Innocent until proven Guilty idea I guess. As a pessimistic realist I often wonder just why it is that I bother though.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 09:28 PM
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Sadly the "stupid and lazy" poster prevails over the latter in the creation of poorly worded topics that have been discussed 1000 times, no matter what forum.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 09:41 PM
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m0j0m, awesome explanation buddy.

I feel so enlightened.


Thanks a lot.

spangbr, true this has been covered a lot of times. This doesn't apply to this topic, but it is good to discuss old things newly.

shbaz, please don't call others stupid or lazy, unless you want to be called the same. You know it takes one to know one.

Surf



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by mOjOm
I imagine Romanakis actually has a question or theory or whatever that is much more elaborate than he explained in his post.


Well, this might be a ripoff of someone elses theory (sounds pretty bland), but I was thinking that maybe everything runs in proportion. And we will continue to have problems till we have the right ratio or proportion for each substance on Earth. I'm also thinking that, if all of the proportions and ratios are finally solved through evolution - maybe then, if there is such a thing as heaven, it will appear. Since everything is working right and how it should be. Hard to explain, but I gave it a shot.

Oh and thanks a lot for the information.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by Romanakis
I'm also thinking that, if all of the proportions and ratios are finally solved through evolution - maybe then, if there is such a thing as heaven, it will appear. Since everything is working right and how it should be. Hard to explain, but I gave it a shot.


I am confused. Do you mean that once we find all the right proportions, God will appear before us and congrat us for solving the mystery and award us the gift to go to heaven?

Or do you mean that once we find all the proportions, we will be able to explain a lot of things which we aren't able now, therefore we (I know I will be) would be very happy?

I hope you meant the latter.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by surfup
shbaz, please don't call others stupid or lazy, unless you want to be called the same. You know it takes one to know one.


If I do something that presents the notion of me being stupid and/or lazy, by all means, let me know. If you don't let stupid and lazy people know that they're being stupid and lazy then they'll never change and they'll continue to be stupid and lazy everywhere they go. Wouldn't that be a sad life to live?

It takes one to know one? Think about that and let me know just how you can say that makes any sense. Does it take a person with red hair to know what another person with red hair looks like? Does it take a smart person to recognize someone else as being smart? Hell no, so don't pretend it does.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by surfup
Or do you mean that once we find all the proportions, we will be able to explain a lot of things which we aren't able now, therefore we (I know I will be) would be very happy?

I hope you meant the latter.


Out of those two, I mean the latter.

When I call it heaven, I don't mean that it has to do with God or a different place or anything. I think everything will just work perfect.



posted on Nov, 6 2004 @ 11:54 PM
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Is the mandelbrot set related to pi?

Do they both possess fractal properties?




posted on Nov, 7 2004 @ 01:41 AM
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Originally posted by shbaz
If I do something that presents the notion of me being stupid and/or lazy, by all means, let me know.


*Make a note*



If you don't let stupid and lazy people know that they're being stupid and lazy then they'll never change and they'll continue to be stupid and lazy everywhere they go. Wouldn't that be a sad life to live?


Even if you let them know, they are too stupid and too lazy to change anyway, so why hurt their feelings?


It takes one to know one? Think about that and let me know just how you can say that makes any sense. Does it take a person with red hair to know what another person with red hair looks like? Does it take a smart person to recognize someone else as being smart? Hell no, so don't pretend it does.


That is a saying buddy, not something that is supposed to be taken literally. And not only that you are assuming that it relates to everything, which it doesn't.

Surf



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