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posted on May, 23 2013 @ 03:48 PM
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I'm going to keep this OP real simple.

If you believe in "God", regardless of what you call that God, whether it be Yahweh, Jehovah, Jesus, Allah, Krishna, Cronos, Jupiter or Zeus, etc., (sorry if I left your God out), I have a question for you.

Do you think God is able to create an equal? Can God duplicate itself? Or, is the truth of the matter, that all that God is capable of creating are things that are lesser than itself?

Let's discuss!




posted on May, 23 2013 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by windword
I'm going to keep this OP real simple.

If you believe in "God", regardless of what you call that God, whether it be Yahweh, Jehovah, Jesus, Allah, Krishna, Cronos, Jupiter or Zeus, etc., (sorry if I left your God out), I have a question for you.

Do you think God is able to create an equal? Can God duplicate itself? Or, is the truth of the matter, that all that God is capable of creating are things that are lesser than itself?

Let's discuss!


Consider the process of childbirth...
Is your child lesser than you?

Å99



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:00 PM
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Of course not. But I didn't create my child by myself, there were already 2 of us in existence, doing something not so original. Is there more than one God involved in creation?



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:06 PM
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For what it's worth, I did a thread similar to this: The Material Image of Heaven

The real question here would be, "Is God personal? To be personal, he would need to be entangled with the whole, yet single unto himself. In other words, does God possess a self separate from others? The answer comes from involution. The answer is, yes we are. Do we have a relationship to the Godhead? Yes, by reaching back to unity from multiplicity. The answer to the separate self of God is then reflected back by the whole outside of the temporal and embodied by the eternal. For anything to be lost, something else must be looking for it. Does the unchanging eternal and unmoved draw us back to the unchanging personal autonomous God? Yes. Because we are a reflected image that moves away and then back as autonomous individuals that are perfected back to the eternal, yet never possessing that eternal perfection. We become one with God, yet never alone. If God were not a unique self, then neither could we be. All that is moved must be anchored against what is unmoved or God simply looks at himself. We know the difference because we only see on way. Those who separate themselves willingly keep those who return unique, otherwise, we are all one. Good and evil is the dividing line. Christ keeps us separate, but able to see and know we are unique. He is the only way for the image to exist.

For those who say we are all one, I say, "only if we are in Christ.". Love is the mechanism of unified faith. Only good and Love can be one with God. Christ Is that perfected single image against the opposite reflection. We could never do this ourselves. This is what the crucified Christ is. Our sin was His burden to bear in the image of imperfection. God sees us through Christ and we do the same looking at God.


Originally posted by windword
I'm going to keep this OP real simple.

If you believe in "God", regardless of what you call that God, whether it be Yahweh, Jehovah, Jesus, Allah, Krishna, Cronos, Jupiter or Zeus, etc., (sorry if I left your God out), I have a question for you.

Do you think God is able to create an equal? Can God duplicate itself? Or, is the truth of the matter, that all that God is capable of creating are things that are lesser than itself?

Let's discuss!
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posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by windword
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Of course not. But I didn't create my child by myself, there were already 2 of us in existence, doing something not so original. Is there more than one God involved in creation?


If n you are everything...you dont need 2...

Å99



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:13 PM
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I think the question is... would he create an equal If he is already all knowing perfection?

The apocryphon of John describes what came after the one... basically, his first thought was to create an entity that could comprehend him...


And his thought performed a deed and she came forth, namely she who had appeared before him in the shine of his light. This is the first power which was before all of them (and) which came forth from his mind, She is the forethought of the All - her light shines like his light - the perfect power which is the image of the invisible, virginal Spirit who is perfect. The first power, the glory of Barbelo, the perfect glory in the aeons, the glory of the revelation,


Like when looking in a mirror... one is able to understand the image of ones self...




posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:18 PM
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Like when looking in a mirror... one is able to understand the image of ones self...


Is the universe, that we know and live in, merely a complex reflection of the image of God?



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by EnochWasRight
For what it's worth, I did a thread similar to this: The Material Image of Heaven

The real question here would be, "Is God personal? To be personal, he would need to be entangled with the whole, yet single unto himself. In other words, does God possess a self separate from others? The answer comes from involution. The answer is, yes we are. Do we have a relationship to the Godhead? Yes, by reaching back to unity from multiplicity. The answer to the separate self of God is then reflected back by the whole outside of the temporal and embodied by the eternal. For anything to be lost, something else must be looking for it. Does the unchanging eternal and unmoved draw us back to the unchanging personal autonomous God? Yes. Because we are a reflected image that moves away and then back as autonomous individuals that are perfected back to the eternal, yet never possessing that eternal perfection. We become one with God, yet never alone. If God were not a unique self, then neither could we be. All that is moved must be anchored against what is unmoved or God simply looks at himself. We know the difference because we only see on way. Those who separate themselves willingly keep those who return unique, otherwise, we are all one. Good and evil is the dividing line. Christ keeps us separate, but able to see and know we are unique. He is the only way for the image to exist.

For those who say we are all one, I say, "only if we are in Christ.". Love is the mechanism of unified faith. Only good and Love can be one with God. Christ Is that perfected single image against the opposite reflection. We could never do this ourselves. This is what the crucified Christ is. Our sin was His burden to bear in the image of imperfection. God sees us through Christ and we do the same looking at God.


Originally posted by windword
I'm going to keep this OP real simple.

If you believe in "God", regardless of what you call that God, whether it be Yahweh, Jehovah, Jesus, Allah, Krishna, Cronos, Jupiter or Zeus, etc., (sorry if I left your God out), I have a question for you.

Do you think God is able to create an equal? Can God duplicate itself? Or, is the truth of the matter, that all that God is capable of creating are things that are lesser than itself?

Let's discuss!
edit on 23-5-2013 by EnochWasRight because: (no reason given)
edit on 23-5-2013 by EnochWasRight because: (no reason given)


If we are a reflected image...the image can only be lost when the object of reflection moves...does God 'move' from the plane that reflects?

Å99



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by windword
reply to post by Akragon
 



Like when looking in a mirror... one is able to understand the image of ones self...


Is the universe, that we know and live in, merely a complex reflection of the image of God?


Good question...

Å99



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by windword
reply to post by Akragon
 



Like when looking in a mirror... one is able to understand the image of ones self...


Is the universe, that we know and live in, merely a complex reflection of the image of God?


Yes... good question!

And I would say, absolutely!




posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by Akragon
 



Like when looking in a mirror... one is able to understand the image of ones self...


Is the universe, that we know and live in, merely a complex reflection of the image of God?


Yes... good question!

And I would say, absolutely!



As would I...

This bears a little thought, discounted from 'Christ is the ONLY way'...or, any other exclusionist philosophy...
The only 'duplication' process occuring, is the one where the originator of the image 'reflects' what can and is done, on 3D...

Splitting allegiances is a function of human, not God...

Å99



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:39 PM
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If we are a reflected image...the image can only be lost when the object of reflection moves...does God 'move' from the plane that reflects?

Å99


I answered this here: We are the Shadows we Cast

The answer is always found by comparing the lesser case to the greater case. With what you are asking, the shadow of 3D is always 2D. We cast our own shadow by collapsing indeterminate probability from the 5th dimension. The probability space then changes, casting a 4D shadow into time, which then casts a 3D shadow into the 'now' of our own existence. Our choices are a combination of Heaven and Earth at the event horizon of both.

The Dirac relativistic quantum wave equation demonstrates that our material world is mirrored by antimatter on the other side. The event horizon between the two is the very veil we see as the Mater / Mother / Material / Matrix. Pater is Father (light). Word is Wave / Son of God. Spirit is consciousness. The Trinity projects the image from God (Godhead of Father, Son and Holy Spirit) into the material world of consciousness. The observer collapses the wave function and determines the changing states of matter. God is the image on the other side. We are the projection of the trinity on this side. We are material beings (Light is particle and wave) and we have Consciousness (Spirit). We are all three in the image.

What if God moves? He already did and has experienced us from beginning to end. Time keeps everything from happening at once and we are merely collapsing the wave. The Earth will continue to move and turn. Nothing we do can change this. We think and move only. As the wave collapses around us, we can change our impression of and on it, but never keep it from spinning.





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posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:40 PM
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Im not one for the "Christ is the only way" thing honestly... clearly there are many ways up the mountain... but we all reach the same goal...

Though I would most definitely say his way is the best way...




posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:43 PM
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Can God create something that is greater than itself? Or, is it true that God can only create something that is lesser than itself?



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by akushla99
 




If we are a reflected image...the image can only be lost when the object of reflection moves...does God 'move' from the plane that reflects?

Å99


I answered this here: We are the Shadows we Cast

The answer is always found by comparing the lesser case to the greater case. With what you are asking, the shadow of 3D is always 2D. We cast our own shadow by collapsing indeterminate probability from the 5th dimension. The probability space then changes, casting a 4D shadow into time, which then casts a 3D shadow into the 'now' of our own existence. Our choices are a combination of Heaven and Earth at the event horizon of both.

The Dirac relativistic quantum wave equation demonstrates that our material world is mirrored by antimatter on the other side. The event horizon between the two is the very veil we see as the Mater / Mother / Material / Matrix. Pater is Father (light). Word is Wave / Son of God. Spirit is consciousness. The Trinity projects the image from God (Godhead of Father, Son and Holy Spirit) into the material world of consciousness. The observer collapses the wave function and determines the changing states of matter. God is the image on the other side. We are the projection of the trinity on this side. We are material beings (Light is particle and wave) and we have Consciousness (Spirit). We are all three in the image.

What if God moves? He already did and has experienced us from beginning to end. Time keeps everything from happening at once and we are merely collapsing the wave. The Earth will continue to move and turn. Nothing we do can change this. We think and move only. As the wave collapses around us, we can change our impression of and on it, but never keep it from spinning.

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Be careful not to 'paperfold' too much...I do like the illustration of backward compatability...problem is, God doesn't 'move'...therefore we, and everything we see, hear, smell, touch and 'paperfold' is the reflex/ction...the creation of exclusionist ideoligies happens 'in the reflection', not at the source, and therefore cannot be 'blamed, attributed, 'sin' labelled...as it is a reflection of all that is possible through omnipotence, nay, from omnipotence...I am the alpha and the Omega...

Å99



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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Im not one for the "Christ is the only way" thing honestly... clearly there are many ways up the mountain... but we all reach the same goal...

Though I would most definitely say his way is the best way...



Newest prophet model/archetype...

Å99



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:53 PM
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"We are the shadows we cast"

Who are we the shadows of? (reflections of)

Å99



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 04:59 PM
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I have a slightly different take on things; I think the key to creation is in the voice of God...

Quantum sound theory

So, yes, as God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent I would think that as God he could do that. The question is, would he?



posted on May, 23 2013 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by madmac5150
I have a slightly different take on things; I think the key to creation is in the voice of God...

Quantum sound theory

So, yes, as God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent I would think that as God he could do that. The question is, would he?


Sound, is awesome.

I have a problem with the 'order out of choas' thingy...

Being omnipotent...it would assume that before anything...I was chaotic...

Those parts of creation ideology are attributable to this little corner of an already manifested mega-cosmos...'the world only really started when I was born'...before that, there was nothing?!

Å99
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posted on May, 23 2013 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by windword
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Can God create something that is greater than itself? Or, is it true that God can only create something that is lesser than itself?


Niether greater, nor lesser...it is all, itself...therefore, not duplication...
Å99
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