The Deficiency of IT-people/Engineers is Holding Back Innovation and the Problem will only Deepen

IT-people, Engineers, Scientists - there is a huge job deficiency (not enough workers) in all these fields, more and more people needed to bring in from abroad, while the unemployment is only rising around the world.

The more I think on the future, the more I see serious problems rising. I could not even imagine what 2030 or 2040 will look like, based the amount of social scientists, economists etc. Too many people learn a field that gives no real skills. Most of the people learning different social sciences can not find a job in their field, simply because there is no need for such fields.

We can not use enough technology not even because of price, but because of too many people not having jobs.

I work in an automation company, quite large local company. We could save lots of money by using more tech, although firing 200 people with no other skills than carrying stuff, packaging it would require lots of compensation money + due to negative image we would get in the media, such thing is out of question.

I had a long discussion on this with my boss recently on the matter. We could replace 200 people working with a couple of machines. The rest of the money could be used to improve the engineering team for product development and testing. Yet we can´t due to losing too many jobs.

Most of the jobs I see the government creating provide no real value, except creating a new job. There are more and more laws made in order for all the lawyers to find a job, not because there is need for it. Many are even stopping the innovation of products, as more people are just needed to do all the paperwok (which in many cases is not necessary). There is a saying round here about nowadays. One person does the job, while 7 inspect him doing it... Not talking about all fields, most fields need some inspection. Yet the amount of current bureocrazy is simply pointless...

Higher education is free round here, yet too many people choose "pointless" fields of study, which give them no real skills. In my opinion social studies should be used as secondary fields with primary field being some scientifical field.

Currently the tech is not enough advanced to replace many blue-collar jobs, but when many systems advance and cheapen, it can replace nearly any blue-collar job. A good IT-system or machine can replace the jobs of thousands or even millions.

The world will not leave capitalistic system. Unless some virus, war or other world´s end like thing happens, the unemployment will only rise and not because of stupid government actions, but because of the people being too dumb... not having good enough skills.

I do not know any, even weaker/average engineer/IT-guy, who does not have a job. Yet, nearly every "social scientist" (except teachers) I know has lots of problems finding a job and most end up at low-paying menial jobs, which has nearly no relation to their field. The unemployment is nearly 15%, but there is a huge deficiency of skilled workers... Contradictory... Most of such jobs will be lost in the coming decades, so I would not imagine how these people will adapt to the situation. T The unemployment crisis will only deepen.

I think there's also a mass of jobs available that require higher qualifications or experience than actually needed which is making the situation you describe far more intense, combine this with a lower than average pay (which the job is actually perfect for). The people with the skills requested dont want that job for that pay - because it is incorrectly directed at the wrong demographic.

take database clerk or junior accountant - whats actually needed?

data entry.

Turn up, get shown what to do, what numbers go where and that's it. Anyone could do it, it requires no thinking it requires no advanced skill what so ever, but what does the job spec say?

"accountant/database clerk required: must have excellent number skills and typing skills, knowledge of M$ office package, have at least 3 years working in accounts/databases, good this good that bla bla bla"

this also demoralizes the out of work jobseekers that have basic or poor skilols and experience but could quite easily do a great many jobs given half a chance.

Yes some trade skill jobs are reducing, but for those who can see it coming and want to act, get yourself some education to get one step ahead of the curve, before you end up screwed and crying about the lack of jobs requiring your skillset.

reply to post by Biigs


There are two reasons for higher requirements:

1) There is a lot of people applying and the company can afford setting the standards higher.

For example in salespeople, as there is so much people who could do it potentially, they can set the wage lower, standards higher and still there will be hundred applicants. The bookshops here for example set literature degree as requirement for being salesperson there. Most shops require the salespeople to know 3 languages, at least. They can pick,as there is too much choice. Same goes with the data entry. They set the requirement for being a specialist, because they know at least one person who has college degree in something like that, will show up,

2) Scaring tactics for people without no skills or experience
Most companies I know take people much beyond requirements to work, at least in engineering it is so. As long as you have the degree, nobody cares how good you are, as long as you want to learn the trade. The deficiency exists and it is not hard to find a job. They just try, because if the requirements are set high, maybe one with such requirements shows up. At least some normal applicant will always be there.

reply to post by Cabin


If I were to advise a young person today about whether he/she should go and get a degree or a vocational trade, I would say trade. There's always going to be jobs for trades people. Besides we're going to need them because of all the crap that's been built these past couple of years, lol. If I had my time back that's what I would have done, but no, I got sucked in by the IT crowd, lol.

reply to post by Cabin


There is no deficiency of IT or engineers in America. There is a deficiency in corporations that want to pay a living wage to IT and engineers in America. By saying, and spreading the fake message of a shortage, it enables them to lie easier when they demand thousands upon thousands of hindu's to flood America.

In a very real sense, this thread is contributing to genocide. As those cheap labor immigrants are taking high skilled jobs(because of their lower educational costs have no overbearing student debt), thus preventing the largest demographic in that field(Caucasians) to be gainfully employed. Caucasians, unlike most other races, prefer to settle down and have a family. Most Caucasian guy's don't feel like dating when they can't afford to, so thus contributes to falling reproductive rates(Demographic winter, 2012 was the first year more whites died then where born in America).

As I explained you are contributing towards living conditions that will eventually cause the elimination of a group of people, thus under international law are guilty of genocide.

reply to post by korathin


Wow, great slippery slope fallacy you got going on there. I mean saying that there is a deficiency in IT jobs in the states is causing Caucasian genocide, good stuff.

Whatever happened to the term "brain drain". Yeah the need of good people in IT sector is the need of an hour. Imagine a scenario where there is a need to develop a medical application. Low quality workers will create the same sub standard program which in turn will effect a large amount of people. This is just the tip of iceberg, what can we extrapolate with it is unimaginable. Hope and time are the only things that we can rely on now.

Originally posted by Krazysh0t
reply to post by korathin

 

Wow, great slippery slope fallacy you got going on there. I mean saying that there is a deficiency in IT jobs in the states is causing Caucasian genocide, good stuff.

If the great slippery slope of mine is such a fallacy could you care to explain it more in depth, besides backhanded comments?

Every single industry in America that was predominantly composed of various Caucasian ethnics has faced either:
a) mass outsourcing
b)mass in-sourcing

While Industries that are predominantly Caucasian ethnic female or Non-Caucasian ethnics has not faced such an extensive purging.