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2 FBI Agents Involved in Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's Arrest "FALL" Out of Helicopter and Die

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posted on May, 24 2013 @ 06:37 AM
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posted on May, 24 2013 @ 07:30 AM
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I was about to ask what was wrong with you then I saw your profile.

Grow up.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 07:51 AM
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I could probably give you ten such mysterious "accidents" if I had more time and the inclination to search the web. Trust me it stinks to high heaven.


Doesn't just stink, it reeks. Keep your eyes peeled for more connected mysterious deaths.


I was pretty willing to concede the official story originally, but now, it's looking more and more like these two suspect brothers really were setups. I'm still not on board with the false flag idea, it simply wasn't big enough for that (though I do believe they took advantage of the opportunity to test out pseudo martial law in a major city). But, maybe they simply rushed to provide a culprit, and now are covering their tracks?



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by DarthFazer

Originally posted by creatives
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This is reminiscent of all the members of SEAL Team 6 that killed Bin Laden that died in mysterious, unexplained ‘accidents’.

What is it they say, there is no such thing as a coincidence or an accident.
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Indeed, I would bet they had help falling out. I mean if the force of the impact killed them that means only one thing, they were very high up. They were likely escorted out of the chopper and thrown away like yesterdays trash from the looks of it.

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The Modern Day walking the Plank !

Seal Team 6 that Killed Bin Ladden yup were Killed too

Oswald Ruby Tippit Kennedy

Cover up at it finest .....


Kill the Assassin or the ones the could Speak of the Man that knows to much of the Game ...



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok

I could probably give you ten such mysterious "accidents" if I had more time and the inclination to search the web. Trust me it stinks to high heaven.


Doesn't just stink, it reeks. Keep your eyes peeled for more connected mysterious deaths.


I was pretty willing to concede the official story originally, but now, it's looking more and more like these two suspect brothers really were setups. I'm still not on board with the false flag idea, it simply wasn't big enough for that (though I do believe they took advantage of the opportunity to test out pseudo martial law in a major city). But, maybe they simply rushed to provide a culprit, and now are covering their tracks?


The thing is, I wonder what kind of institutional effect this will have? In the past it seemed like they only used institutions of power(military,police, FBI, CIA etc) to give cover to their private assets(agents loyal to them), now they are using, abusing and discarding institional assets.

It stands to reason that this will or could, have a morale effect on currents institutional agents like soldiers, FBI agents, local and state police.

I wonder what is going through their heads as they think everything over about this? You don't have to be a rocket science to see something is going on, and these individuals often have to think quickly and accurately as a part of their jobs.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by creatives
reply to post by DarthFazer
 


This is reminiscent of all the members of SEAL Team 6 that killed Bin Laden that died in mysterious, unexplained ‘accidents’.

What is it they say, there is no such thing as a coincidence or an accident.
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Lol what? No members of team 6 invovled in killing Osama were killed.. you are mistaken. Wow @ all the stars you got smh..



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 09:13 AM
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The best theory I've seen to date was that the FBI had these guys on a watch list and were possibly grooming them to dupe them into a bombing plot which they could easily foil and never let happen and then trot out for the press. Maybe they surprised them and acted too quickly and the feds were caught with their pants down. If information surfaces that they knew about the brothers and their plans and did nothing, heads would literally roll and Obama would ultimately take the fall. The death of that broken nose friend of theirs in Florida is even more troubling. The mother of those two had better watch what she eats and drinks or she'll have a heart attack. Or she may have a mysterious car accident. Its Russia so thats likely no matter what.
Maybe this was payback for a failed operation, maybe they knew too much. Maybe it was just more proof the FBI's gottten pretty damn rusty the last few years.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 09:16 AM
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do we need any more proof?

fbi was in on that ish...



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 09:22 AM
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There ain't no such thing as conincidences.
Unless the guberment is involved.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 09:38 AM
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This is beginning to sound more and more like the Clinton administration. Remenber how many people mysteriously died during his 8 years? Vince Foster, the state trooper who was his body guard while he was governor(he decided to write a book)? Something tells me the dems fight an internal war of attrition. You got dirt, you die.
Not that I'm accusing anyone, I'm just sayin'



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 11:23 AM
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If you keep throwing special operations people under the bus, they will turn on thier master and bite.
Trust me I know.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 11:31 AM
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I still can't believe a lot of you think the guys who took out Bin Laden were killed.... Not the same guys. Seal Team 6 is a fairly large group.

As for this. Accidents happen. Training can and will cost lives. Enough with all the fear mongering and all of the "This doesn't add up." comments.

RIP to the agents.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 11:46 AM
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the ones we ran from in the 1700's and when we declared independence are finally at the door. In the last 100 years, your rights as a citizen and American have been eroded. MSM blames it on the Patriot Act, etc but it was here long before this, it just took several generations to remove the fear. You do not have the same class of people that you did who lived 70-80 years ago who would give the current people in office the finger. Now you have people so brainwashed they defend them.

Slowly, the ability to create dependence has crept in and control of every aspect of your life is here. What you wear, eat, drink, smoke, watch and work at. All of it. The last step is to remove the strength of the military, disarm your citizens and open the doors.

No one is knocking anymore, it is here.

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posted on May, 24 2013 @ 11:46 AM
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Another vapid "conspiracy". How many agents were involved in investigating the Boston bombing? You can bet it's several thousand - at least. Two grunt field agents dying in a training exercise is tragic, but hardly a coverup. (or in this case, elite members of the hostage rescue team).

Between the Boston PD, the FBI, and entire DHS, and every intelligence agency worldwide (including Russia) that looked at the Boston bombing, a number surely in the tens of thousands, do you intend to scream 'coverup' each and every time one of those individuals dies?

Plenty of legitimate conspiracies to worry over without having to invent insipid ones.

PS: counter-terror training is hard and the risks are high for death and injury. If jumping from a helicopter was easy then everyone would be doing it. This happened in 2009 as well, according to the DoJ.



“It’s the most rigorous training regiment in law enforcement, probably in the world,” said Danny Coulson, a former deputy assistant director of the FBI who started the team 30 years ago and served as its first commander. “They have to be able to do any mission, at any time.”

Among other things, members of the Hostage Rescue Team are trained to rappel from helicopters, scuba dive and use explosives to break down doors and walls. When needed, the team can deploy within four hours to anywhere in the U.S.

“It sounds risky, and it absolutely is,” Coulson said. “They have the same skill sets as SEAL Team 6 and Delta Force.” (source

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posted on May, 24 2013 @ 12:01 PM
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If enough of these events happen, we will see a pattern of the same "dirty" operators being present or involved at every event and sort of "triangulate" on them. Surely the bad operators are the minority in the agencies( at least I hope). If only a small internal group are the ones "pushing agents out of helicopters", the good agents will soon catch on. Now is a good time for whistle blowing because of all of Obama's agencies are under the microscope.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 04:46 PM
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That remains to be seen. Wishful thinking though.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by Taggart
If you were to throw and kill two FBI guys out of a Helicopter (hypothetically speaking) and you had to come up with a cover story, how far up the list would 'Fast roping' be on the list of ways to cover it up?
Now i'm not trying to say one way or the other but you seem to know a lot about exercises.
Much like if fast roping is very dangerous and people do get hurt practicing it may be 99% the reason these guys died, is is not definitive proof of a non-conspiracy.

I do value members like yourself though, nothing like a guy who knows an area well.
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Training accident in general would be pretty high up my list, but to be honest, I would make it a live fire training exercise as my first choice, followed by an aircraft accident, then maybe a car accident, then fast roping. It would be high up on my list, but there would be better ways to do it. Especially since most of the HRT would have been involved and probably need to be silenced, so an aircraft accident with the team heading out to an exercise area would be the best way to do it.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by SuicideKing33
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If you could prove beyond doubt events are 100 percent staged (meaning not only set up, but also no deaths/casulties) I think it would start a domino/cascade effect that would open ALOT of peoples eyes.

In fact any number of events could happen to change the world in a positive manner. The powers that were are trying to hold back the flood, its gettin heavy you can bet. Their obstruction of true freedom for humans as a whole will not last I feel it in my bones.


you bones are not deceiving you, my friend.

know this. it is done.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 11:20 PM
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Fast roping out of a helicopter is risky business. I have done it and it is scary as hell. Compounded by the fact that it is a quick insertion technique and it is easy to see how multiple people can die in a single exercise. Imagine four or more people dropping 90' on a rope in quick succession, one right after the other, without any harnesses. Normally you'll be carrying equipment on your back as well. You basically fall straight to the ground.

I still think this is an intriguing story though.



posted on May, 24 2013 @ 11:25 PM
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My 2cents: more cleanup by C ra ft's risk management team. The overlap of staff makes things easier to control.



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