2 FBI Agents Involved in Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's Arrest "FALL" Out of Helicopter and Die

This is very strange. First, an FBI agent murders a Tsarnaev accomplice, then this. It is a known fact that the FBI has carried out many successful terrorism stings. This is what I think is going on: In order to appear to be winning a war that does not exist, the FBI actively convinces people who are not terrorists to become terrorists. They use undercover agents to radicalize and help these terrorists. Everyone knows about the mysterious "Sasha" who radicalized Tamerlane. In some cases the FBI has supplied fake bombs. In some cases real bombs, but the plot is "intercepted" before the attack. It has been stated in the media that the Tsarnaev brothers originally planned to attack on July 4. This is when the FBI was supposed to stop them, but the Tsarnaev brothers did not follow the script that they knew nothing about. I won't be surprised when the FBI thwarts an attack this coming July 4. They have to maintain the illusion that terrorists are out to kill in the United States. So, what happens when the wrong people become aware of the FBI's nefarious activities? They have accidents.

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You train how you're going to fight. Not all rescue situations are going to take place in perfect weather, with calm winds. If you train in those conditions, and then you have to go in during bad weather, you're screwed. So sometimes you train in bad weather, which increases the danger factor.

reply to post by DarthFazer


It makes perfect sense to train in bad weather. If you're a sniper, do you only go out and shoot on the range when the winds are calm, and the sun is shining? Of course not. You go out and shoot in all kinds of weather. If you are a pilot, you fly in all kinds of conditions so that you don't kill yourself and anyone else onboard if the weather goes to pot. If you're a door kicker, and have to sneak up to where the door is, you train rain or shine, it doesn't matter. Being able to fast rope in perfect weather is great, up until you have to board a boat and the wind is blowing, and there's rain.

Originally posted by DarthFazer
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Thanks for the data, and perhaps it is a coincidence and accidents do and will happen. But, how do we know it isn't a cover story? I find the timing odd to say the least. Maybe more bodies will turn up the the coming days/weeks. We will see. And if they do well then we could probably associate these two deaths, the suspect's shooting in Florida with the others. Perhaps it stops with these 3, and if so the conspirators have sanitized the witnesses. Call me crazy, but these sorta things are almost standard procedure imo in these times.

The best cover stories are the ones that are believable. The best way to hide a lie is between two truths. You don't say they slipped and fell in a tub, or that a meteor fell out of the sky on their home. right? lol This is not for public consumption anyhow - as I said, this would be a cover story for the other honest agents who have some dead colleagues.

Maybe it's an accident. Accidents sure are piling up fast though.

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They were fast roping down to a boat, when something happened with the helicopter. Fast roping is a good way to get out of a helo fast, but is also incredibly dangerous. There are no harnesses or clips holding you to the rope. You're relying on your gloves, and your boots to hold you onto the rope as you slide down a pretty significant distance to whatever you're roping onto.

Yes

www.abovetopsecret.com... Two members of the FBI’s elite counterterrorism unit died Friday while practicing how to quickly drop from a helicopter to a ship using a rope, the FBI announced Monday in a statement. The statement gave few details regarding the deaths of Special Agents Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw, other than to say the helicopter encountered unspecified difficulties and the agents fell a “significant distance.” A law enforcement source told The Pilot the incident happened about 12 nautical miles off the coast of Virginia Beach. The official blamed bad weather for the incident and said the agents – members of the FBI’s Hostage Rescue Team, based in Quantico – fell into the water. The official said he believed the agents died as a result of the impact rather than drowning.

Well apparently they were so high up the impact with the water killed them? Now I am no expert in these things and I have done a few belly flops at my local municipal pool in my day "stung like heck" i suppose there are many variables to consider. How one hits the water if he is in the vertical or horizontal position. The velocity of the impact is the main factor I would think. People jump off the Golden Gate bridge all the time and die from the impact I have heard. I guess if we knew how high the chopper was as a point of reference, what the usual elevation is during such a procedure is during these training operations we might be able to explain this accident away. Maybe if you go and look back at similar accidents during these exercises it could be more explainable? Still though it does not seem wise to do this at such heights in said weather does it?

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Going by videos, they're usually 30-50 feet above where they're dropping onto. It's a pretty significant height, and on land any accident like this more often than not is fatal. That's why the Army is looking for ideas for other ways to get out of a helo that can't land, besides fast roping. From what I've heard, they've really curtailed the practice as not only are there so many training injuries, but when being shot at then a number of broken ankles have occurred from trying to drop faster (you're pretty vulnerable on the rope), which pretty much screws you.

Again, it goes back to training how you fight. It doesn't do you any good to drop from a rope that's less than half the distance that you're going to drop from in a real situation. Yes, you can try to limit the danger, but at some point you're going to have to do a full up exercise in bad weather, so that if nothing else you know what to expect if it happens in a real situation.

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Ok so 30-50 does not seem that high, I was expecting 200 feet at least. But 30-50, that just does not seem that staggering. If one falls or is sliding down a rope he should be in the vertical position correct? So his lower extremities should make contact first. And we know they did not drown. Now some broken bones I can believe but both killed under the same circumstance ? And they should be wearing head protection, was there head trauma involved? Well we can read the coroners report so we wont know. A 30-50 fall to the water killed two people. Just does not equate with me at least.

***Waves his hands before the reader's face*** This is not the doom you're looking for. You can go about your business, move along.

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You tend to rotate so you land on your back when it happens. Every accident I've heard of fast roping the person landed flat basically, causing major trauma to internal organs, and broken bones. You fall fast, so you don't really have time to orientate yourself before impact. From what I understand, it's not head trauma that is the cause of death, but either a broken neck, or trauma from the broken bones, etc.

Originally posted by Another_Nut
Wow. We should have seen this coming

There have now been more deaths associated with the bombing than were killed in the actual blast.

Does this not scream coverup?

Does this not show loose ends being tied up?

Eta it's not a Boston bombing thread without boncho to tell us to move along.

where is he?

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Telling the truth is always the simplest thing.

As soon as you start to lie, you find you need another lie to fix the flaws in the first lie, and yet another lie, to fix the fix, and another lie, to hide something else related that you didn't realize at the time of the first lie would become an issue, etc...lies are easily identified by the necessity of presenting a sequence of stories, one after the other, to explain what you did.

It's the same with the false flag, and the cover up. It gives birth to a whole sequence of events, each trying to fix a problem that arises, which you didn't think of at the time of the event, hence a series of deaths usually follow, to cover the possible leaks and clean up the mess, along with a sequence of official report releases to attempt to strengthen belief in the cover story.

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With all of these scandals the present president may have outlived his usefulness to TPTB....if I were him I would not go to Dealey Plaza, Dallas on November 22, to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the JFK assassination (history has a way of repeating itself).

Originally posted by DarthFazer

Originally posted by creatives
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This is reminiscent of all the members of SEAL Team 6 that killed Bin Laden that died in mysterious, unexplained ‘accidents’.

What is it they say, there is no such thing as a coincidence or an accident.

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Indeed, I would bet they had help falling out. I mean if the force of the impact killed them that means only one thing, they were very high up. They were likely escorted out of the chopper and thrown away like yesterdays trash from the looks of it.

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Read about the stories of the Titanic and other ship sinkings. Passengers and crews put on their lifevests, and jumped into the water from five stories up. The buoyancy of the life-vests trapped against their chins combined with their downward velocity decapitated them. Others who hit the water flat on, were killed as if they had hit solid concrete.

reply to post by DarthFazer
The main reason these two died was, the fact they failed to give either of them a rope to descend on.
The rope is very important in this practice, as is other safety equipment they fail to use.

In this training though you either get it the first round or you just don't get nothing period, except a nice funeral with 21 gun salute and women crying.

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There IS no other safety equipment in fast roping. The idea is to slide down the rope, and be immediately ready to kick a door, or shoot back at someone. You don't want to have to be untangling and releasing safety equipment, so you don't use any. That's why it's so dangerous.

Originally posted by creatives
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This is reminiscent of all the members of SEAL Team 6 that killed Bin Laden that died in mysterious, unexplained ‘accidents’.

none of the Seal team members who were on the raid that got BL died in any mysterious accidents AFAIK.

A seal team has over 200 members - those that were killed later on were not the people who hit BL.

hat is it they say, there is no such thing as a coincidence or an accident.

"They" say all sorts of things - most of them nonsense.

Tooooooo obvious. Keep it up FBI. You guys are exposing yourselves so much with your fumbling, incompetent, and very treasonous actions. Maybe this will be a wake up call to some agents there, maybe not.

When you start to lie and murder to cover up other lies and muders its gonna spiral out of control. This BS coulda flew in the dark ages but not now I'm afraid. Info goes worldwide with the stroke of a key. EVERY false flag is going to be seen for what it is, especially done so sloppily you end up killing everyone involved.

Its just so blatant, it keeps getting more unbelievable.

Anyone in these agencies better realize quick they are playing for the wrong side. Also, to those who orchestrate these despicable acts, YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE. THERE WILL BE NO ONE THERE TO HAVE YOUR BACK WHEN YOU ARE CONFRONTED WITH YOUR CRIMES.

The clock is ticking....until the next false flag that you royally F**K up. All you evil/controlling wanna bes time is up.
There will be no New World Order and no WW3. You are playing yourself, people can see through way to easily. Now go cry about it LOL.

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A seal team has over 200 members - those that were killed later on were not the people who hit BL.

Well that's what they are saying in the MSM, thing is the identity of the seal's that allegedly killed OBL and threw him in the ocean conveniently is confidential hence the MSM has no way of knowing. They are told what to say. That person telling them is told what to say by their higher ups ect. So when the media tries to pass it off as fact I have to laugh because usually whatever they say is the exact opposite.

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Asking the wrong questions could result in fatal answers.

reply to post by DarthFazer


Except that the odds of them being on the raid really are pretty small. As I said in another post somewhere, with four squadrons of shooters, making up something like three troops per squadron, which are broken down into individual teams (I believe it's two teams per troop), why WOULDN'T they use other teams, instead of just using the one team over and over again?

Originally posted by CasaVigilante

Originally posted by OutonaLimb
no one dies in the production of any of these faked events. you are getting sucked into
their scripted narratives again. hook, line and sinker - seeing dastardly conspiracies
exactly where they want you to.
we are surely smarter than this.
no real deaths or injuries with anything connected to the boston 'bombings'.

As regards your posting - I do not believe for one minute that anyone died (or was injured) at Sandy Hook or at the Boston Bombing scene - ALL FAKE!

Given that - I DO understand what you are saying here, but curiously speaking - I would like your take on - > would this include the report of the 18 Navy SEALS allegedly killed in the helicopter crash? Perhaps its their IDENTITIES that were killed? That way there is no one to testify as to the veracity of the OBL alleged killing...........! Note too that there were other SEALS that "died" mysteriously as well.

If so then we have to start thinking on another level that allows us to realize that Tamerlan was not killed and that the recent FBI shooting of a suspect during an interrogation is untrue: that in fact, he is still alive.

Then, using your analysis of the matter - which I find to be valid - this would include many other such incidents.

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do you realise how easy it is to fabricate identities? they did it and got away with it for almost
3,000 'victims' on 9/11! the seal team/osama sage is pure BS (incidentally the 2 letters
that differ between the names obama and osama ).
it is all theatre Casa. if you are new to media fakery and have a desire
to learn the scope and scale of the many many deceptions perpetrated against the
people, www.cluesforum.info is an excellent resource!
how would people react to find that no-one was killed or injured in any
of the following:
boston bombing, sandy hook, aurora, oslo and utoya, tucson,
7/7, madrid, oklahoma, waco, columbine and 9/11?

relief first, then anger? vice-versa?