reply to post by jmdewey60
my question and your answer (quoted below)
Q) we don't have much longer to wait to see how this all pans out.. the bible claims within the lifespan of a man when the jewish people have their
homeland again the kingdom of God will be reestablished on the earth (..that was in 1947 wasn't it?)
A) No, that was 36 AD. We are in the kingdom of God, in that we now have the Christian church, where before that, we didn't. Jesus rules over the
kingdom as Lord, appointed to that office by God.
..wouldn't this require the messiah to have been acknowledged the first time?
so where's Jesus then? ..i don't see this world (kingdom) being 'run' by Jesus now?
as this post
you then said;
Sorry, but I am serious. Was there something in particular on your wish list that is not being satisfied? Would you like for all the people
that you don't like to be sent to the real Hell? I think that the main problem which is the cause of earth still being hellish, is that too many
people are not engaged in the world to make it better, because they are sitting around for one of several things: a super fascist form of government
with some horrific god-like person; or Jesus to whisk certain people off to a better place; or maybe the destruction of all life on the
"vengeance is mine" says the lord
"love your neighbor" says Jesus
- please tell me how myself (or EllaMariner) wish to see people suffer? and why?
you ask "what on our wish list is not being satisfied?" (?) ...if the "main problem with world today is "hellish" (and selfish people not making
the world better)" ...then yes.. this is unsatisfactory in a world (uhh, "kingdom") supposedly being ruled now by Jesus.
the rest of the comment... fascist gov, horrific god-like person, destruction of "ALL" life on planet (?) ...heh.. you
have to reconcile all
this in a world (supposedly now) ruled by Jesus..?
this is what i mean about "reconciling" (more of your comments)
Do you deny the Bible? Do you deny the crucifixion? Do you deny that Jesus is Lord?
Colossians says that Jesus was the creator of the worlds, plural, "the worlds". If you look at the Greek, it says the ages. Jesus created two ages
at the cross, the old one up to that point, and the new on after that point. We are in that new age.
first - no, no and no
if Jesus "created" only 2 ages.. who made all the others?
are you quoting col 1:16? (..check eph 3:9)
interesting comment (you again..)
I don't think there is a "second coming" since the Bible never says that.
i don't quite follow this?
he came the first time.. was put on the cross... went to heaven?
and the bible says he's coming back?
with the (movie) dune references..
the freeman are the people of God.
Muad-dib (paul) is the messiah.
everything else can also be put into a workable biblical context.
the atreides are given a cryptic message when they first arrive "a column of smoke by day, a pillar of fire by night" (exo 13:21, neh 9:12)
the spice must flow
the "other" version of dune offers more insights into all this (not the 'alan smythee/de-laurentis' version)
as for the "literal" vs. "parable"..
mat 13:11+, mark 4:11, luke 8:10
we also have the 3 wise men who travel to the birth of the messiah.. who were they? who is melchizidek?
there is more going on here than we might ever possibly know..?
the response to darkATI (page4) this post
The word here in the Greek used is, aión, which can mean a lifetime, and is a different word than the one used elsewhere to describe the ages,
which is aeon.
even with this "interpretation", darkATI's initial proposal is still correct. the "ages" and "lifetime" are contextually correct.. (i hope this
makes sense, running out of space)
as for ANY book of the bible being a "forgery" ..if i can follow the core-story even after the involvement of "Rome" (etc), i can handle these
types of accusations.. but this is something i will chase up in my spare time.. if someone can actually 'topple' the bible after all this time, i'm
up for seeing that.. i just don't think it's ever going to happen?
my stance on the matter is much the same as this post
..an eschatology invented 200 years ago specifically to come up with something to get Christians to support a modern Israel..
i think i understand & accept your view here? this is why i think it's important to just use the bible