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So, what is your history in regards to believing in a cult eschatology?
. . . I am not sympathetic to the Talmudic Jews . . .
They are called the firstfruits.
What about the 144,000 VIRGIN JEWISH MEN @ 12,000 of the 12 tribes of Israel
OK, then what do you think Jesus' mission is?
Incredible , from the time Jesus walked this earth until today the whole world was wrong about the mission statement of Jesus Christ , that is until you came along .
So you believe that you represent all Christians?
You have figured out that we are all wrong ! Wow !
In the post that this is supposedly a response to, I asked you to identify your cult affiliation. So I don't know what cult that you belong to but you are obviously a member of a cult because you have this whole eschatological system that is not possible to develope by just reading the Bible.
And you have the audacity to call us a cult ?
I don't believe in subscribing to any man made doctrine.
I can see that you are not even following your 7th Day Advent doctrine .
What I do not trust is the decisions made by the bishops in the fourth century concerning which books were authentic to be included in the New Testament canon. This is not something that I arrived at independently but goes along with mainstream biblical scholarship.
I also understand that you are an avid reader but and you did not trust the bible .
See comment above.
All that supposed historical data you have been reading is not accurate . It has been interpreted by men who can not help having opinions and misconceptions and history has morphed over the years as well as languages .
You take it as a slur, I use it as a technical term.
You say cult as a slur but you are directly indicate a cult influence .
I'm just looking at the Bible to see what the writers were actually trying to say, rather than how doctrine makers use the verses as proof texts to support theological theories.
Some of your interpretations of key points in the bible could be explained by fear !
I asked you yesterday to quote the Bible to support your tribulation theory. You act like it is established fact that there is a future tribulation, and that I am uselessly rebelling against it, which is a peculiar attitude coming from a person who cannot cite a single verse to support a future tribulation.
You seem to be on a crusade to prove that you will not have to face the Tribulation by putting it in history instead of the future and explaining away any sort of a futurist view not unlike Pretribulation Rapturist who hope to go before .
So what does that have to do with biblical prophecy?
I am looking at the times I live in and the bible and I do see the Protocols of Zion truly being fulfilled today by the Zionist Jews as written .
We don't know what that is, since it does not describe it beyond being a metaphor of slavery. What you are talking about is seeing the alignment with descriptions made in theories about the mark told about in Revelation.
I see that the Mark of the Beast could never have happened before and is indeed coming and the Internet is the facilitator of such system .
Ezekiel was supposedly written by a Jew in Exile in Babylon and was talking about a restored Israel from captivity in the near future to him, not in our future.
I do see that Israel and the Temple was destroyed and the Jews scattered to the 4 corners of the world and returned to Israel per Ezekiel 37 .
All this Protocol stuff is irrelevant.
I do see the 10 Kings ( Jews) coming together and will give their power to the one . This King will be as listed in Protocol 24 .
That was never supposed to be something which has to happen, but was a metaphor to say that in the future, The Lord will not let Jerusalem get overrun by the enemy like what happened with the Babylonians.
And the eminent war is set up as described in Ezekiel 38 .
I'm not worried about anything like an end of the world.
The end of this world you are worried about is at least 1007 years from now .
I guess you forgot to read about the new world called heaven .
You confess the New Testament or at least the parts you deem valid .
So why then do you keep dragging that out if you think it does not matter?
It is not about words and sentences that are punctuated
Originally posted by DarkATi
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Akragon
If not, then why post this thread?
Now im not saying the end is near...
You must think that it is significant somehow.
"The End" was the end of the age, and that already happened.
We are already in the new age.edit on 22-5-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
No, the new age is yet to come. Here's how I know:
... who will not receive many times as much at this time and in the age to come, eternal life. (Luke 18:30)
The true new age is marked by "eternal life."
But those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage. (Luke 20:35)
The true new age is also marked by a lack of marriage, but people are still getting married and giving others in marriage.
Another relevant passage:
Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3)
The day of the Lord has not yet come, nor the new age. Please do not be deceived.
Codyedit on 24-5-2013 by DarkATi because: Fixed Quote Blocks
I can guess.
You lose ! And you'll never know what I mean by that on this earth .
Q) we don't have much longer to wait to see how this all pans out.. the bible claims within the lifespan of a man when the jewish people have their homeland again the kingdom of God will be reestablished on the earth (..that was in 1947 wasn't it?)
A) No, that was 36 AD. We are in the kingdom of God, in that we now have the Christian church, where before that, we didn't. Jesus rules over the kingdom as Lord, appointed to that office by God.
Sorry, but I am serious. Was there something in particular on your wish list that is not being satisfied? Would you like for all the people that you don't like to be sent to the real Hell? I think that the main problem which is the cause of earth still being hellish, is that too many people are not engaged in the world to make it better, because they are sitting around for one of several things: a super fascist form of government with some horrific god-like person; or Jesus to whisk certain people off to a better place; or maybe the destruction of all life on the planet.
Do you deny the Bible? Do you deny the crucifixion? Do you deny that Jesus is Lord?
Colossians says that Jesus was the creator of the worlds, plural, "the worlds". If you look at the Greek, it says the ages. Jesus created two ages at the cross, the old one up to that point, and the new on after that point. We are in that new age.
I don't think there is a "second coming" since the Bible never says that.
The word here in the Greek used is, aión, which can mean a lifetime, and is a different word than the one used elsewhere to describe the ages, which is aeon.
..an eschatology invented 200 years ago specifically to come up with something to get Christians to support a modern Israel..